International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

Mr Holmes said:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...investigation-probing-covid-19-origins-report

Biden Shut Down Wuhan Lab Investigation Probing COVID-19
The Biden administration pulled the plug on a Trump-era State Department investigation into whether COVID-19 originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, according to a Tuesday evening report by CNN.

The effort, led by then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, also sought to determine whether China's biological weapons program may have played a role in the pandemic. According to the report, it was met with internal opposition from officials who thought it was simply a politicized witch hunt to blame China for the virus....
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Zero-Zen said:
I know Trump fucked a lot of stuff up, I'm not a rabid supporter of his but I think he did quite well compared to a lot of countries. Especially with a giant target on his back.

Look at Canada, we were late on almost everything. Closing borders, screening passengers from hotspots and now vaccines. The same media that protects Trudeau at all costs were more focused on attacking Trump than protecting Canadians.
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And in the rush to give Biden credit for the current vaccine successes... Democrats will never give Trump credit for supercharging the vaccine research and development. It's really the reason we are where we are right now... ready to get back to normal life (mostly).

Speaking of quotes that didn't age well... don't forget this...



Also, Trump was condemned across the board when he first tried to close our borders with China when Covid was first starting to emerge.

Yes, I would have preferred Trump not give daily updates on a topic he wasn't an expert in. It was silly and embarrassing for him. But whatever... And I hated his Twitter presence for the most part.

But he left Covid Management to each State, which I thought was great. The US is too big and varied to issue sweeping mandates from DC to cover the entire nation. What works in California, doesn't work in Alaska or even Montana, etc... And in the end, I think each state's covid response opened most people's eye to who the leaders running their state truly are. The 2022 elections are going to be extremely interesting.
 
Mr Holmes said:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...investigation-probing-covid-19-origins-report

Biden Shut Down Wuhan Lab Investigation Probing COVID-19
The Biden administration pulled the plug on a Trump-era State Department investigation into whether COVID-19 originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, according to a Tuesday evening report by CNN.

The effort, led by then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, also sought to determine whether China's biological weapons program may have played a role in the pandemic. According to the report, it was met with internal opposition from officials who thought it was simply a politicized witch hunt to blame China for the virus....
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Wow... just wow.

So we're just going to believe China's narrative now?

Especially after they've tried blaming several other countries for Covid, Including Italy, Germany, the US... etc.
 
Scerpi said:
And in the rush to give Biden credit for the current vaccine successes... Democrats will never give Trump credit for supercharging the vaccine research and development. It's really the reason we are where we are right now... ready to get back to normal life (mostly).

Speaking of quotes that didn't age well... don't forget this...



Also, Trump was condemned across the board when he first tried to close our borders with China when Covid was first starting to emerge.

Yes, I would have preferred Trump not give daily updates on a topic he wasn't an expert in. It was silly and embarrassing for him. But whatever... And I hated his Twitter presence for the most part.

But he left Covid Management to each State, which I thought was great. The US is too big and varied to issue sweeping mandates from DC to cover the entire nation. What works in California, doesn't work in Alaska or even Montana, etc... And in the end, I think each state's covid response opened most people's eye to who the leaders running their state truly are. The 2022 elections are going to be extremely interesting.
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Yeah, give Trump credit when his team basically denied the virus, denied mask, claimed he had a 5 week plan to solve everything by easter, was recorded talking about how deadly the virus was despite him telling everything it was nothing, stole state medical supplies and resold them. pushed untested treatments? So, he gets credit for none of that but does get credit for what a lot of hard working scientist and pharmaceutical companies accomplished? Jesus Christ some of you are in denial about what a fucking incompetent fool that man was.
 
Natural Order said:
5 Liberal MPs against the order to turn over documents untouched and quickly....fucking unbelievable....
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Yeah, same brand of Liberals that abstained from the genocide vote. Not what I remember being liberal was like when I was younger here. The CCP must have the lot of them by the balls in Canada. Checkmate China.
 
It's alright to find out the truth now. The elections are over and the new ones are far enough away to have the damage from this blow over by then. They key was getting Trump out of office and this would not have helped that Establishment, MSM, Big Tech, Chinese goal.

Remember... this was just a Conspiracy Theory.
 
Zero-Zen said:
Yeah, same brand of Liberals that abstained from the genocide vote. Not what I remember being liberal was like when I was younger here. The CCP must have the lot of them by the balls in Canada. Checkmate China.
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Trudeau would submit Canada to join the CCP if it was ever an option.
 
Could the virus have been released in China by an enemy intelligence agency operative to infect China and or discredit them internationally?
 
SPD123 said:
Could the virus have been released in China by an enemy intelligence agency operative to infect China and or discredit them internationally?
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Anything is possible, doubtful though. I would be open to looking at that intelligence if it was out there.
 
Prefect said:
Yeah, give Trump credit when his team basically denied the virus, denied mask, claimed he had a 5 week plan to solve everything by easter, was recorded talking about how deadly the virus was despite him telling everything it was nothing, stole state medical supplies and resold them. pushed untested treatments? So, he gets credit for none of that but does get credit for what a lot of hard working scientist and pharmaceutical companies accomplished? Jesus Christ some of you are in denial about what a fucking incompetent fool that man was.
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lolz @ saying the above, attempting to spin all negative and omit the positive (ie: warp speed) - proving the exact point you're pretending to refute.
 
The Audience said:
Some doubt has been cast on those findings calling for further investigation, but it doesnt seem like anybody has sought to do this? Maybe there is just too much doubt to consider it worthwhile, but it would be good to know either way.

Regarding Chinese origin, it seems pretty certain that it originated in either China or from somewhere neighbouring in the south-east of Asia, given the natural habitat range for the bats that harbour the most closely related coronaviruses. There are some things that suggest that the wildlife trade could have been heavily involved in causing this but what role the wet market environment played in facilitating the jump is unclear. A few years before the outbreak, a biologist and virologist from Australia visited the same market and concluded:

“I’ve been to a few of these markets, but this was a big one – it felt like a disease incubator, exactly the sort of place you would expect a disease to emerge”. [Source]
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CCP already ruled out the wet market as the source. This was like a year ago so I’m shocked people keep parroting it.
 
scoopj said:
CCP already ruled out the wet market as the source. This was like a year ago so I’m shocked people keep parroting it.
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Given that there seems to be an association with the early cases and wildlife markets, and the concern that these markets present a risk for pathogen emergence, im not sure that it can be completely ruled out, especially considering the market was closed and the traders left before the animals could be sampled. According to one evolutionary geneticist, the amount of virus found in the environmental samples in the market is suggestive of the blood of a butchered animal being hosed around the market after it was closed. Perhaps the wet markets facilitated multiple species jumps over time and one emerged to spread effectively in humans.
 
To see this being reported by no other then CNN is a first. For a long long time since Trump is now out. Trump admin officals were suggesting the theory and now Joe Biden admin had shut down a investigation into the Wuhan lab leak theory.

Pompeo-led effort to hunt down Covid lab theory shut down by Biden administration over concerns about quality of evidence

President Joe Biden's team shut down a closely-held State Department effort launched late in the Trump administration to prove the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab over concerns about the quality of its work, according to three sources familiar with the decision.
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Though Biden officials shut down this particular inquiry, they remain skeptical of Beijing's role in limiting investigators from accessing information that may be pertinent to the origins of the virus. US intelligence agencies continue to examine the question of whether the virus emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals or if it could have been the result of a laboratory accident.
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