International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

Madmick said:
I'm parroting what "new Fauci media narrative"? WTF are you talking about?

The Wuhan market theory hasn't been favored for a year:
The coronavirus didn't really start at that Wuhan 'wet market' (Mar-2020)
You guys are the ones dismissing the wet market theory based on distance when distance had nothing to do with the mechanics of that chain of transmission. This doesn't require a wet market, and we discussed this at length last year in the thread where we all roundly mocked Chinese urban dwellers for insisting online, to "educate" us ignorant westerners, that dogs aren't consumed in China. Meanwhile, that South African bloke created a vlog traveling all around the country showing butchered dog being sold for consumption-- hung in windows. Hell, he even showed the dozens of restaurants in each region that advertised it on their menus via his smartphone.

Wet markets were merely favored early on for the volume of their meat sold, and their notoriously unsanitary conditions that expose many different animals to each other. Yet the Chinese's rapacious and unsanitary consumption of wildlife isn't restricted to wet markets, nor the distance transport of animals along its new highways, and the density of the population in Wuhan doesn't require this sort of bazaar for mass exposure. Someone transporting food on a trip to a family member could be patient zero. More recently, favoring the immediate jump from a bat to a human via the lungs, it could have simply been a traveling human him or herself. The first person they infected might not be in Wuhan. That is simply where it accelerated and rapidly spread once reached. How would we know? The Chinese haven't been honest about a goddamn thing.

Furthermore, it was precisely this condemnation of wet markets which activated the Chinese to disseminate propaganda stigmatizing the wet market theory as a Western chauvinist conspiracy itself. So I'm damned no matter which theories I acknowledge as credible.

You're tunneling on a single challenge to a more organic chain of zoonotic transmission, and this is that we the closest biological relative to the virus we know was discovered happened to be in a bat cave 1,000 miles south in 2013. It isn't just distance muddying the waters, here. It's time. That's a long time it has been out in the wild. Who knows where it migrated naturally among the bats.

I've simply pointed out that Fauci is now acknowledging the possibility that it escaped from the lab (however that occurred) as a possibility he isn't willing to rule out. I haven't parroted any other media narrative, except that this theory remains less favored, currently.
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Common sense and logic can be used here. Hell, some of us used it from the beginning.

The fact you are now attempting to hedge your bets(like Faucci) while calling out those actually using common sense is kinda funny.
 
I know that whenever I have a naturally occurring virus that needs to be studied, I always kidnap my doctors who talk about it, and go to great lengths to prevent any other scientists from studying its origins in a timely manner.

- Kenny Froarian
 
SBJJ said:
Common sense and logic can be used here. Hell, some of us used it from the beginning.

The fact you are now attempting to hedge your bets(like Faucci) while calling out those actually using common sense is kinda funny.
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Concession accepted.
 
Streeter said:
They wouldn't have as it

Because the risk out weighs reward.

China was/is winning , they're known to be patient n prefer the long game. Why do this n risk becoming a global pariah when your already winning the game. Then again maybe Xi went full arrogant retard I don't know.

I in no way say CCP is above doing it just say they wouldn't due to risk
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I remember the saying, "Why bet on sinister, when incompetence is the more likely scenario" (paraphrased)

Whether China fucked up, maybe on purpose, we should be far more concerned that we have a multilayered coverup scheme that manipulates the masses into believing utter bullshit. And that people still believe the claims that are told with no evidence to back them up from random "experts" making these unsubstantiated claims.
 
Prefect said:
In Italy, they had a bunch of blood samples for a lung study. All random and taken in the first week of september of 2019. 10% of the 900 some samples. came back with COVID-19 anti-bodies, which means the virus was already in Italy in August. .
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There's several studies and lines of evidence disputing those results that found four? Positive samples in Sept. E.g. thousands of samples tested in respiratory illness survalliance oct onward, no early positives. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7988398/

Itd just be weird to have cases back then but for it to be self limiting or not spread exponentially like it did simultaneously in a number of countries just a few months after Sept.
 
I think because of China's shady history and early reporting we can never be 100% certain either way. I still think the virus emerged naturally and jumped to humans, but I would not be shocked if it was created in a lab either.
 
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...investigation-probing-covid-19-origins-report

Biden Shut Down Wuhan Lab Investigation Probing COVID-19
The Biden administration pulled the plug on a Trump-era State Department investigation into whether COVID-19 originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, according to a Tuesday evening report by CNN.

The effort, led by then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, also sought to determine whether China's biological weapons program may have played a role in the pandemic. According to the report, it was met with internal opposition from officials who thought it was simply a politicized witch hunt to blame China for the virus....
 
Queen B said:
Timeline forgot

End of February - Bunker Boy got intel about Europe

That same week - Bunker Boy called it a "Hoax"

Middle of March - Bunker Boy finally blocks flights from Europe after NYC was already hampered
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I know Trump fucked a lot of stuff up, I'm not a rabid supporter of his but I think he did quite well compared to a lot of countries. Especially with a giant target on his back.

Look at Canada, we were late on almost everything. Closing borders, screening passengers from hotspots and now vaccines. The same media that protects Trudeau at all costs were more focused on attacking Trump than protecting Canadians.
 
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Streeter said:
This is starting to gain legit steam at least it feels like. If China knowing in October n the release being an accident from a lab goes world wide main stream as it might .......... China is in for a massive hit across the board. There's literally no chance China released this intentionally but they absolutely covered it up and wanted everyone else to suffer as well.

Xi thr China prez is maybe already on suicide watch .
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I don't think they released it on purpose but I can understand why they would. Especially with a virus like this. The Hong Kong problem wasn't going away and it was getting a lot of international media attention. Maybe they didn't want people on the mainland or citizens abroad getting any ideas about democracy and needed a safety net.

Not saying that's what happened but I don't think you know how bad Hong Kong was getting. Before the pandemic they held local elections and pro-Beijing candidates got blown away despite all their attempts to rig it. Im talking about blatant rigging like bussing in seniors and handing them red pocket money at voting stations.
 
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Prefect said:
In Italy, they had a bunch of blood samples for a lung study. All random and taken in the first week of september of 2019. 10% of the 900 some samples. came back with COVID-19 anti-bodies, which means the virus was already in Italy in August. I am not entirely convinced it originated in China, that wet markets are that significant of a mutagen environment, or that the virus wasn't bouncing for a few years already before 2020. When I read reports on spanish flu, it was initially called just some pulmonary ailment by british troops in France. After the pandemic had passed, several doctors identified that they had seen the virus a full year before anyone identified it. COVID-19 has so many symptoms that are shared with other ailments that I doubt anyone would notice anything until it became obvious something was up. No one has found patient zero for HIV and that has a much more distinct features, making it easier to track.
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Some doubt has been cast on those findings calling for further investigation, but it doesnt seem like anybody has sought to do this? Maybe there is just too much doubt to consider it worthwhile, but it would be good to know either way.

Regarding Chinese origin, it seems pretty certain that it originated in either China or from somewhere neighbouring in the south-east of Asia, given the natural habitat range for the bats that harbour the most closely related coronaviruses. There are some things that suggest that the wildlife trade could have been heavily involved in causing this but what role the wet market environment played in facilitating the jump is unclear. A few years before the outbreak, a biologist and virologist from Australia visited the same market and concluded:

“I’ve been to a few of these markets, but this was a big one – it felt like a disease incubator, exactly the sort of place you would expect a disease to emerge”. [Source]
 
Madmick said:
I'm parroting what "new Fauci media narrative"? WTF are you talking about?

The Wuhan market theory hasn't been favored for a year:
The coronavirus didn't really start at that Wuhan 'wet market' (Mar-2020)
You guys are the ones dismissing the wet market theory based on distance when distance had nothing to do with the mechanics of that chain of transmission. This doesn't require a wet market, and we discussed this at length last year in the thread where we all roundly mocked Chinese urban dwellers for insisting online, to "educate" us ignorant westerners, that dogs aren't consumed in China. Meanwhile, that South African bloke created a vlog traveling all around the country showing butchered dog being sold for consumption-- hung in windows. Hell, he even showed the dozens of restaurants in each region that advertised it on their menus via his smartphone.

Wet markets were merely favored early on for the volume of their meat sold, and their notoriously unsanitary conditions that expose many different animals to each other. Yet the Chinese's rapacious and unsanitary consumption of wildlife isn't restricted to wet markets, nor the distance transport of animals along its new highways, and the density of the population in Wuhan doesn't require this sort of bazaar for mass exposure. Someone transporting food on a trip to a family member could be patient zero. More recently, favoring the immediate jump from a bat to a human via the lungs, it could have simply been a traveling human him or herself. The first person they infected might not be in Wuhan. That is simply where it accelerated and rapidly spread once reached. How would we know? The Chinese haven't been honest about a goddamn thing.

Furthermore, it was precisely this condemnation of wet markets which activated the Chinese to disseminate propaganda stigmatizing the wet market theory as a Western chauvinist conspiracy itself. So I'm damned no matter which theories I acknowledge as credible.

You're tunneling on a single challenge to a more organic chain of zoonotic transmission, and this is that we the closest biological relative to the virus we know was discovered happened to be in a bat cave 1,000 miles south in 2013. It isn't just distance muddying the waters, here. It's time. That's a long time it has been out in the wild. Who knows where it migrated naturally among the bats.

I've simply pointed out that Fauci is now acknowledging the possibility that it escaped from the lab (however that occurred) as a possibility he isn't willing to rule out. I haven't parroted any other media narrative, except that this theory remains less favored, currently.
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It obviously came from the lab, bro.
 
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