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Love JuniorNot more than usada
but this, coupled with the life altering beatings, has lead us to the shell of JDS' former self.
Love JuniorNot more than usada
I was talking only about the last tree wins of his contract but no, cro cop was not in his prime and im gonna get some shit here but fuck it he was overrated as fuk even in pride, and shane carwin was a one punch monster who had not very good cardio, trown shade however you want but you put prime shane carwin and derrick lewis and you have a competitive fight and jds won against both. I agree i may have underestimated his mir win but shane carwin and cro cop are not his best wins by far- MIR: had won 3 in a row, including stopping Crocop and Big Nog. It was def "Prime Mir".
- WERDUM: if it wasnt his prime, it was sure close- he had won 3 of last, 4, then went on another 3 fight win streak including subbing Fedor. if he wasnt in his "prime", he was certainly a great win.
- you conveniently didnt mention Carwin, Cain or Crocop.
thats a ridiculous summary of JDS best wins.
Cain
Carwin
Mir
Werdum
Crocop
Hunt
all in their prime.
youd have trouble finding a HW with 5 prime wins that are better.
TS is being overly critical of JDS but it's kind of close to a truth -- JDS's decline is due to him never evolving as a fighter, he always had the same flaws Cain exposed and his chin slowly and predictably declined into its current glass state.
Cain didn't "ruin" him, if that were true he wouldn't have won that brutal 5 round war vs Stipe after the Cain beatdowns.
He has a ton of fight mileage and never learned elite-level defense while using a style that involved trading with your opponent. It worked for awhile and got him gold but you get figured out quickly if you don't evolve.
A bit shameful how the UFC continues feeding him to the lions but that's the fight game.
TS is being overly critical of JDS but it's kind of close to a truth -- JDS's decline is due to him never evolving as a fighter, he always had the same flaws Cain exposed and his chin slowly and predictably declined into its current glass state.
Cain didn't "ruin" him, if that were true he wouldn't have won that brutal 5 round war vs Stipe after the Cain beatdowns.
He has a ton of fight mileage and never learned elite-level defense while using a style that involved trading with your opponent. It worked for awhile and got him gold but you get figured out quickly if you don't evolve.
A bit shameful how the UFC continues feeding him to the lions but that's the fight game.
Stipe was a great win too. I know I'm in the minority here, but I favor a prime/near prime JDS over any version of Stipe. While Cro Cop was past prime, he was fast af and injury free before UFC 103 and looked damn good. JDS took a little damage but still finished him.
JDS is mega underrated imo. At his peak, he could beat any HW ever. I'd only favor a 2 or 3 over him prime for prime.
I didn't want to be if it sounded like that, jds is one of the best hws of all time but people vastly overestimate him pre cain. Truth be told i think he only true turned the key from worst after the stipe 2 fight, people often say he lost his chin but he was never really hurt before cain and cain is not a hard puncher. We don't truly know if his chin was that good cause he wasn't fighting ngannou back themTS is being overly critical of JDS but it's kind of close to a truth -- JDS's decline is due to him never evolving as a fighter, he always had the same flaws Cain exposed and his chin slowly and predictably declined into its current glass state.
Cain didn't "ruin" him, if that were true he wouldn't have won that brutal 5 round war vs Stipe after the Cain beatdowns.
He has a ton of fight mileage and never learned elite-level defense while using a style that involved trading with your opponent. It worked for awhile and got him gold but you get figured out quickly if you don't evolve.
A bit shameful how the UFC continues feeding him to the lions but that's the fight game.
Also miocicthats a ridiculous summary of JDS best wins.
Cain
Carwin
Mir
Werdum
Crocop
Hunt
all in their prime.
youd have trouble finding a HW with 5 prime wins that are better.
We don't truly know if his chin was that good cause he wasn't fighting ngannou back them
Cain didn't ruin him but he took a hell of a lot out of him that's for sure. just like current Aldo. McGregor didn't completely turn him into a can but he's clearly not the same as he was before that fight.
Definitely agree! Considering that the JDS who had just gotten demolished by Cain was able to beat Stipe across a 5 round war, Prime JDS would've murked any version of Stipe.
Besides his chin, the biggest thing that JDS lost after the Cain beatings was his speed. He was SUPER fast for a heavyweight, and it was his movement that enabled him to beat so many guys for so long. After he lost the speed, he had to rely on his toughness more, and now that's starting to go away after all the wars.
He didn't fold against Cain in two of the most brutal beatdowns in UFC history, he even went for a guillotine trying to win when he was done. and he then beat Stipe in a brutal fight.When a Brazilian faces adversity, they fold. Is normal.
Brazil makes a good hammer, not a nailHe didn't fold against Cain in two of the most brutal beatdowns in UFC history, he even went for a guillotine trying to win when he was done. and he then beat Stipe in a brutal fight.