Developing a 40 hour law enforcement course - help

I'm a defensive tactics instructor for DHS/Homeland Security Investigations. I can send you some stuff from our cirriculum if you want. Understand that all ground defense stuff involves getting the fuck up and not looking for a submission.
 
Pain factory I can probably put you in contact with some people at the Air Force Academy they teach about a 20hr course. It might be a little lean but they can probably provide some refrences and might be able to get you in contact with someone over at one of the special ops schools.
 
lonewolf210 said:
Pain factory I can probably put you in contact with some people at the Air Force Academy they teach about a 20hr course. It might be a little lean but they can probably provide some refrences and might be able to get you in contact with someone over at one of the special ops schools.
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Charles Brown said:
I'm a defensive tactics instructor for DHS/Homeland Security Investigations. I can send you some stuff from our cirriculum if you want. Understand that all ground defense stuff involves getting the fuck up and not looking for a submission.
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That would be awesome!!
 
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I can only speak for Ohio but before you can considered a legitimate instructor, ie one that departments will send people to and get credit for state mandated training, you have to get recognized a specialist in the subject matter by the Ohio Peace Officer's Training Academy. That also means taking requisite instructors certification classes or getting a waiver. Being a BB when applying for DT instructor is no different than being a medical school grad when applying to teach a medical course.

Otherwise you're just another nobody who claims to train cops.
 
JRT6 said:
I can only speak for Ohio but before you can considered a legitimate instructor, ie one that departments will send people to and get credit for state mandated training, you have to get recognized a specialist in the subject matter by the Ohio Peace Officer's Training Academy. That also means taking requisite instructors certification classes or getting a waiver. Being a BB when applying for DT instructor is no different than being a medical school grad when applying to teach a medical course.

Otherwise you're just another nobody who claims to train cops.
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Not sure where this fits into the discussion but thanks for your input... I guess?
 
Title Fight Productions said:
I disagree, there plenty of holds, locks and rides that should be introducedmfor sure.
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I feel like learning how to pin someone without killing them would be a good skill for police. Suffocating people on occasion because you are squashing them down in a prone position could probably be avoided with a little technique.
 
PF, my point is the first time a cop you trained gets sued or charged with a crime when something goes wrong you will be on the witness stand explaining what you taught, how you taught it, why you taught it and who were you to teach it. Don't re-invent the wheel. there are tried and tested programs out there that won't leave you open to vicarious liability.
 
What Use of Force Continuim are you planning on using?
 
You can fully expect that the name of your gym will play a role in any force-related litigation.
 
JRT6 said:
What Use of Force Continuim are you planning on using?
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I have given this a lot of thought and 40 hours just isn't much time. I plan on keeping this very simple so there is a higher retention rate. The purpose of this program will not be to apply joint locks or submissions but to properly defend against average people attempting to emulate what they have seen on TV. It will focus on using recognizing positional precursors and clinch techniques to create separation when possible. All the programs that I am familiar with try to teach to many techniques in too short of a time period. I want to avoid this.
 
I think what is very important is explaining that chokes, if done properly, do not kill people.

Carotid restaurants are prohibited in most policing circles, which is a shame. It's a quick way to end a fight without having to beat the shit out of someone.
 
Luther said:
judoinfo.com has some good studies about the safety of chokes, i.e.:

Deaths Allegedly Caused by the Use of Choke Holds by E.K. Koiwai, M.D.
http://judoinfo.com/alphabetical-li...ed-by-the-use-of-choke-holds-by-ek-koiwai-md-

The Safety of Judo Chokes by Leonard I. Lapinsohm, M.D.
http://judoinfo.com/alphabetical-li...ety-of-judo-chokes-by-leonard-i-lapinsohm-md-
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Thanks for the links!! I the first link is especially great. It is very informative with a good source, also has historically traceable data.
 
One of our blue belts is a cop and teaches the tactics combat whatever course here. I know he make them really practice breakfalls now, after a cop got shouldered by a some guy running and got a bad head injury when he fell. We train the crap out of them here since our Proffesor also has a brown in judo.
 
Most departments ban the use of choke holds (cannot be banned as a deadly force option) and some allow it as a level of response a level to below the deadly force response. It's still mostly banned simply because of the cost of litigation to defend it. Same with hog tying, positional asphyxia has been debunked by science but lawyers are gonna sue like crazy until hog tying is common place again.
 
And "choke hold" isn't a court friendly term. "Lateral Vascular Neck Restraint" is the term associated with the choke hold and one used by most use of force experts. "Rape Choke" is a "neck supported restraint" I can imagine being in court and explaining how I just used a rape choke on someone regardless of it being deadly force.
 
What is the "court friendly term" for shooting an unarmed citizen over ten times in the back? Curious. - E
 
ThePainFactory said:
Thanks for the links!! I the first link is especially great. It is very informative with a good source, also has historically traceable data.
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No prob, your work looks very interesting, keep us posted and good luck!
 
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