Developing a 40 hour law enforcement course - help

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  1. ThePainFactory

    ThePainFactory I train Ninjas

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    I have been tasked with developing a 40 hour law enforcement course (grappling based). Part of this includes providing a detailed bibliography for each technique. It is turning out to be a bit harder then I thought. The techniques this coarse will cover are very basic: defending against a standing guillotine, defending standing headlock, double under hooks, upa escape, and other things most of us here take for granted. Also, if you have suggestions for techniques please share.

    I plan on using the "basic combatives course handbook" as a bibliographic source for a couple things and a few Gracie books for sources on a couple other techniques. Finding valid recognizable sources is a bit hard, do you guys have any suggestions. The people who will have the final word on this probably have never heard of the Gracies, BJJ, or know much about combative arts. They will be Physicians more impressed with scholarly articles and works of research.
     
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  2. SummerStriker

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    I'll send you something tomorrow if you PM me your email.
     
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    ThePainFactory I train Ninjas

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    PM me, I teach BJJ and combatives to cops for a living.
     
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    ThePainFactory I train Ninjas

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    PM sent...thanks man
     
  7. lts5025

    lts5025 "What the **** is a Dim Mack?"

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    Since when do physicians have oversight on law enforcement training?
     
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    Funny this would show up- I had a client today who's a LEO that wanted to work striking, thai clinch, and takedowns in preparation retaking his combative course. He said his jits had Been very useful in all of his use of force situations
     
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    SummerStriker Black Belt

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    Pain Factory, there is an old book floating around on this site or the net written by Jack Dempsey. He goes into great detail on why power punching in boxing is necessary for self defense, how to make a fist and so on.

    It isn't long and it really hits the high points.
     
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    "Gracie Jiujitsu" by Helio covers a lot of those.
     
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    Dogstarman Old man jiu jitsu

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    It is usually Lawyers that look at this stuff. Physicians really have no say on what is taught to LE.
     
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    Are you incorporating any wrestling in his coriculmn?
     
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    If this is LEO/Self-Defense, you don
     
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    I was visiting/training with a friend who is also a SWAT trainer. One of the greatest challenges in marrying jiu jitsu with law enforcement is the fact that they carry a weapon and discourage ground contact in any fashion that doesn't involve cuffing. Almost any move that closes space exposes the gun. Your standard vanilla BJJ is GREAT for prison guards but not real useful once guns are involved.
     
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    You can't develop a legally defendable curriculum based on books, YouTube vids or advice from forums. First you need to considered an expert on the subject matter. Contact Shawn Chitwood he is a court recognized use of force expert in Ohio and a Relson BB.
     
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    ThePainFactory I train Ninjas

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    The audience I will be presenting this to includes: 3 physicians, a member of the us attorneys office, a member of the state attorneys office, 2 sheriffs, a member from the kocjt, and a couple others whose background I am unaware of. Many of the things we take for granted on here as common knowledge needs a point of reference to this panel. This is why the bibliography is so important. Not everyone on this panel knows what double under hooks or pummeling is. One of the reasons I have been asked to develop this is because I have given testimony before, I was one of the first state licensed boxing instructors, and one of the first state licensed Mixed Martial Arts instructors.

    I hate to reference BJJ or Black Belts of any art because you have to explain to the lay person why that has any meaning. I know it shouldn't be this way but state licensing and even army combatives levels means more to the general population.

    I have been training officers locally for several years. Basic clinch, creating distance, and basic submission defense (guillotine, RNC, Arm Triangle Choke, and Triangle Choke) are what they find most useful on the job. I plan to reference one book by Renzo, Larson's Modern Army Combatives, and a research paper about trich chokes and vascular retains. I sure could used a couple more references for though.

    ps I chose to post here because of the over all high level of skill and knowledge the F12 has.
     
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