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Yes.Are you OK with government censorship here?
There are worse things than censorship, degenerate wokism is one of them.
Yes.Are you OK with government censorship here?
If you pony up 50K to White Boots Ron's campaign, you can get on the board, because that appears to be the only qualification you need to get appointed to the board.I'm a big fan of duly elected governors appointing people who agree with their values to positions of power on committees.
I'm entirely with you (including the previous post) except that Trump said,
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The only reason it didn't register higher on the presumed fascism scale is that it didn't gain the desired traction, IMHO, but he definitely tried, just in a different and more wide-reaching manner. Similarly, he floated the wall idea and a whole host of other things. I'm not sure whether it makes him less dangerous to be throwing shit out there and looking for whatever sticks but when it succeeds it's less obvious than DeSantis's blatant heavy-handedness. I think that makes DeSantis a more make or break/high risk/reward type in as much as if people continue to go along with DeSantis (presuming he keeps that shit up) things will get wild, but he's more likely to break on the rocks of going too far--again, just my opinion--whereas Trump is in for the long haul--they were wailing about "Stop the Steal" in 2015 and he has the persistence of the truly obsessed. He can afford to be because he's got all of conservative talk radio plus Fox News, OANN and others feeding him the flavor of the week.
It's going to get interesting* for the Americans if they show strong support for either of them, frankly.
*interesting in the sense of the aphorism "May you live in interesting times." If they're not equally dangerous they're both more dangerous than the US should be toying with, to me.
Why was Disney ever allowed to self govern in the first place?
Heh. Beat me to it by two minutes.Probably helped get them into the state. This has been a long standing thing. My guess is that, decades ago or whenever this happened, it was a bit like places bidding for the big Amazon expansion a few years ago - states wanted to have a massive megacorporation set up shop in their state because of the jobs, tourism (in Disney's case) the prestige, etc. Florida probably told Disney "You come to our state and you're in charge of your own land" as part of the pitch.
Without Disney. Orlando would not be considered a big city in Florida. I live an hour away from Disney and Disney along with the other amusement parks pump the economy.Why was Disney ever allowed to self govern in the first place?
Why was Disney ever allowed to self govern in the first place?
Probably helped get them into the state. This has been a long standing thing. My guess is that, decades ago or whenever this happened, it was a bit like places bidding for the big Amazon expansion a few years ago - states wanted to have a massive megacorporation set up shop in their state because of the jobs, tourism (in Disney's case) the prestige, etc. Florida probably told Disney "You come to our state and you're in charge of your own land" as part of the pitch.
it's not like Disney isn't paying politicians (especially Democrats) to buy influence...Control a private company? Nope, can't have that. On the flip side, government stepping in to stop strikes in the private sector is a flip side of such thoughts.
The idea of revoking special status from big business is sound. Doing so as punishment for political disagreement doesn't sit well. Money shouldn't buy privilege. Yet when Amazon, for example, has the leverage to shop around for the most favourable tax exempt status for their new facilities then clearly that's already the case. No idea how to turn back the clock on that front. But setting more dangerous precedents isn't it.
Keep in mind that Sherdog is a private business and Florida is a government? I'll try.The same people complaining that De Santis is supposedly "authoritarian" (Islam Imamate, Panamaican, etc.) are against democratic elections to choose moderators on Sherdog.
Keep that in mind.
Most Americans have at least outwardly expressed the view that it's acceptable for people or companies to disagree with governors or other politicians. A lot of people are concerned about the possible impact of Republicans rejecting that view.
It exposes the authoritarian tendency of certain people and how they are actually in favor of censorship when it suits them.Keep in mind that Sherdog is a private business and Florida is a government? I'll try.
I know that you think you're making some kind of point about hypocrisy but even you have to realize just how bad a comparison that was...right? When have the rules on how a business should operate ever been comparable to how a democratic government should operate? It's kind of crazy that you think they're similar enough that you typed that statement without hesitation.
What about all the other districts with special treatment, who did not dare criticize Desantis? Those districts kept the special attention.I think the devil is in the details. If Disney had special treatment, and is now being brought back down to equality, maybe that was the right answer all along. The "Don't Groom K-3" bill wasn't an immoral bill or perspective.
I think the devil is in the details. If Disney had special treatment, and is now being brought back down to equality, maybe that was the right answer all along. The "Don't Groom K-3" bill wasn't an immoral bill or perspective.
It's not really that special as a lot of companies have the same treatment. And come on, they are clearly being punished for disagreeing with the governor. You can't even admit that? I would certainly agree that grooming kids to be abused is really bad, but I don't think acknowledging the existence of gay people is anything even remotely similar to that.
You misunderstood my point in mentioning the wall. I wasn't adding it as support for the suggestion he has fascist ideas and principles, rather that he floats out whatever ideas he gleans from people like Roger Stone and then watches to see which ones make waves on conservative talk radio, Fox News, and the like. He only keeps pushing the ones that seem to catch on and it makes no difference to him which ones do, but some of them are clearly in that territory, like "Fox News isn't doing enough to get the Republicans and me elected," and saying when police are putting suspected criminals in their cars they shouldn't be too gentle. Remember how gentle they were with that poor bastard who died in the back of a police van?I actually don't agree with this, and as I view it, this plays into the overuse of the term "fascist" on the internet.
First off, until he's leveraging state authority to stymie those news sources, it's not fascism - it's just Trump doing what he does and talking a lot of shit. I understand that the lines get blurred when a person with the power to actually do something says "These people are assholes! We should do something about them!" - but I'm not sure what was done to actually attack the news at a systemic level, rather than just declare them the enemy of the people and then go on to tweeting about nuking a hurricane or something.
Second, as for the wall, building a wall at the border isn't fascist in itself. Seriously - even xenophobia isn't strictly fascist. You can have xenophobic hardcore democrats, wall building socialists, you name it. Neither thing is inherently fascist. It's when it gets married to a figure/government that is pushing heavy centralized government power and mixes the government with corporations to do it, that they become fascist. I think, in sum, Trump is a different beast.
Part of why I think he isn't a fascist is because, if you could say that Trump did anything with a philosophy backing it, oftentimes he was pushing for decentralizing the power of the Federal government. Not in everything - but in many aspects of his governance, he was actually pushing for state authority to be primary rather than a centralized Federal government crackdown. That is dead the opposite direction from fascism. Fascists don't divest power to sub-national units, and Trump has done that quite a bit.
People will treat this as a throwaway comment, but it's not. Trump has a *HOST* of serious issues, both as a person and a governor. I just don't see being fascist, in any systematic sense, as one of them. He does a lot of shit, and some of those things will be the types of things that a fascist might do. But, to put it bluntly, if we hold politicians to that standard, every Democrat pushing for increased centralized power in the Federal government, withholding funding due to bathroom bills, or pushing large companies to censor content a certain way, could be called a fascist. They're not. Much like Trump, they're their own special kind of bad, and you could latch on to individual things and say "fascist!" but they don't fit the bill. Fascism, as a term, more or less gets slapped onto "anything bad" - but a governance philosophy and portfolio can be bad, very bad, and still not be fascist. This is not "He's not a fascist, so he's not that bad" - it's "he's not a fascist, and he can still be very bad." I am not a Trump supporter - though, as I always disclose, I find the guy hilarious and that colours my commentary on him, if not my actual support of him.
I will say, I think Desantis is one of the guys I'd watch closely on this front. I like some of the angles he pushes, but I do not like the way he is approaching it. Hopefully it's just a response to the pugilistic politics of the time - the "they're hitting us, so we'll hit back" philosophy - and not a philosophically fascist approach.
On a side note, those pugilistic politics which Trudeau is pushing hard, is why we went from moderates like Scheer and O'Toole to the much more extreme PP leading the Canadian conservatives. Let this be a lesson to you and other Liberal voters - if you keep voting for a guy who punches the opposition, the opposition will stop taking the middle road and start pushing candidates who punch back. Both PP and Trudeau are a sign of a serious, and dangerous, political schism in Canada. If you don't want to see PP's rising up, kick assholes like Trudeau to the curb.
Curious why you want a Florida governor in the white house. LolI actually wanted to like this guy at first since in a lot of ways he was a big improvement over Rick Scott but nah, he's an authoritarian goofball. Sad because part of me wants to see a Florida governor make it to the White House but now I hope Trump runs this guy over in the primary.
All the free speech absolutist on this board support Desantis decision which is not consistent with being a free speech absolutist. Basically they are for free speech if it helps their team.It's not really that special as a lot of companies have the same treatment. And come on, they are clearly being punished for disagreeing with the governor. You can't even admit that? I would certainly agree that grooming kids to be abused is really bad, but I don't think acknowledging the existence of gay people is anything even remotely similar to that.
Oh, well now that you retyped the same idiocy it definitely makes more sense...<45>It exposes the authoritarian tendency of certain people and how they are actually in favor of censorship when it suits them.