Law DeSantis promises to control Disney

Right wing dorks - "Liberals are literally Nazi fascists"

Examples of right wing fascism in Florida by a GOP governor = "stop whining, libs are just jealous. It's no big deal."

The funniest thing is that enthusiastic support for this stuff by the Republican establishment totally fucks with the marketing of "the right is the real left" they've been doing. Some followers still haven't gotten the message.
 
I believe that is called government oversight.
Putting your donors on the board is not over sight but cronyism. Congratulations you are White Knighting a dude who acts like every other politician of my lifetime.
Disney ain’t too woke for White Boots Ron to decline that 50k they just stuck in his pocket.
 
Here's what Hillary actually said:

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

The only thing wrong with this moderate criticism is that she was far too conservative with her 50% figure.

"Bitter clingers" is also an incredibly dishonest presentation of what Obama said.

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Just non-stop lying from these hacks.
 
Of course, it's nearly a right of passage ffs...why everybody wants to have a preview of the afterlife ie) Hell I'm not sure but yeah.

I am not saying that they WILL leave, just that they COULD.

That said, it seems that this is political theatre once again with no real effect. I still think it's dumb for DeSantis to try and paint Disney as the bad guy, and it won't help him one bit for his greater aspirations of leading the country.
Of course it’s a political stunt. Desantis is really setting himself up to be the next Chris Christie with all this theater leading up to a primary in which he gets embarrassed in.

But I still don’t think Disney has any realistic option to relocate. Even if they did, it would take years, maybe decades and Desantis would be long gone by then so it’s really pointless.
 
DeSantis team accused of threatening Trump fans with police outside of book signing: ‘And the battle begins’

“They told me to say anybody wearing Trump has to go right now,” a uniformed security officer is heard saying in the video. Later in the recording, the officer says he is going to call the Leesburg Police Department.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/desantis-team-accused-threatening-trump-000651375.html
Agent of the government denying free speech huh.
 
Agent of the government denying free speech huh.
Since it is the parking lot of a mall, the DeSantis team may have had the right to kick out the Trump supporters / protesters, if they had the permission of the Mall's owners / management. Wonder if they did get permission ??
 
All their content comes from California.

Only people falling for this okey doke are his voters and the reactionary
 
I'm fine with how the Florida governor has handled Disney. I wish there hadn't been a fight but Disney in the end decided to go after DeSantis and his parents right bill, or as Democrats call it, don't say gay bill, allowing parents to have a voice in what is taught in schools. The disagreement brought to light that Disney had their own special governing system for their park. And with that Florida's government decided it was time to change that. Disney shouldn't be running their own government system.

And along these lines, saw what Disney has been upset with DeSantis over, Disney wants sex education taught to elementary students along with sex change operations on young kids, is now receiving a new review from scientists.


"The scientific revolt against gender ideology has begun"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ific-revolt-against-gender-ideology-has-begun

excerpt:

Gender activists often defend the physical transition of gender-confused children by citing scientific research that supposedly backs up the efficacy and safety of these experimental treatments. But one close look at this research proves the exact opposite — and a number of experts are finally coming forward to say so.

A new in-depth report by the British Medical Journal reveals just how flimsy the “science” behind sex-change treatments is.

The Endocrine Society commissioned two systematic reviews for its clinical practice guideline, Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: one on the effects of sex steroids on lipids and cardiovascular outcomes, the other on their effects on bone health. To indicate the quality of evidence underpinning its various guidelines, the Endocrine Society employed the GRADE system (grading of recommendations assessment, development, and evaluation) and judged the quality of evidence for all recommendations on adolescents as “low” or “very low.”

The report goes on to cite several systematic reviews of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health’s (WPATH) sex-change recommendations. It says:

One of the commissioned systematic reviews found that the strength of evidence for the conclusions that hormonal treatment “may improve” quality of life, depression, and anxiety among transgender people was “low,” and it emphasised the need for more research, “especially among adolescents.” The reviewers also concluded that “it was impossible to draw conclusions about the effects of hormone therapy” on death by suicide.

Despite this, WPATH recommends that young people have access to treatments after comprehensive assessment, stating that the “emerging evidence base indicates a general improvement in the lives of transgender adolescents.”

WPATH has even admitted that the evidence supporting medical transition is so limited that “a systematic review regarding outcomes of treatment in adolescents is not possible," according to BMJ. Yet its public guidance offers no hint of this uncertainty. Indeed, one would think from reading WPATH's public statements on this issue that chemical and physical transition is always the right solution for the patient and that it never leads to unwanted or unexpected consequences.

"We state that when gender affirming medical treatment is provided with a standardized multidisciplinary assessment and treatment process, thorough informed consent, and ongoing monitoring and psycho-social support, the rate of regret of gender-affirming medical treatment commenced in adolescence has been observed to be very low and the benefits of treatment in adolescence are potentially greater than the benefits of gender-affirming treatment commenced in adulthood," WPATH claims. "Hence, the harms associated with obstructing or delaying access to wished for and indicated treatment for the majority, appear greater than the risks of regret for the few."

But the supposed "benefits" to which WPATH refers simply are not reflected in the scientific data. In fact, one of the only studies claiming to show a connection between better mental health and social and physical affirmation had to be publicly revised to clarify that there is no such connection. And every single other conclusive study on this topic has found that the evidence in support of "gender-affirming care" is, at best, inconclusive.....

From the BMJ:
 
I'm fine with how the Florida governor has handled Disney. I wish there hadn't been a fight but Disney in the end decided to go after DeSantis and his parents right bill, or as Democrats call it, don't say gay bill, allowing parents to have a voice in what is taught in schools. The disagreement brought to light that Disney had their own special governing system for their park. And with that Florida's government decided it was time to change that. Disney shouldn't be running their own government system.

And along these lines, saw what Disney has been upset with DeSantis over, Disney wants sex education taught to elementary students along with sex change operations on young kids, is now receiving a new review from scientists.


"The scientific revolt against gender ideology has begun"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ific-revolt-against-gender-ideology-has-begun

excerpt:

Gender activists often defend the physical transition of gender-confused children by citing scientific research that supposedly backs up the efficacy and safety of these experimental treatments. But one close look at this research proves the exact opposite — and a number of experts are finally coming forward to say so.

A new in-depth report by the British Medical Journal reveals just how flimsy the “science” behind sex-change treatments is.

The Endocrine Society commissioned two systematic reviews for its clinical practice guideline, Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: one on the effects of sex steroids on lipids and cardiovascular outcomes, the other on their effects on bone health. To indicate the quality of evidence underpinning its various guidelines, the Endocrine Society employed the GRADE system (grading of recommendations assessment, development, and evaluation) and judged the quality of evidence for all recommendations on adolescents as “low” or “very low.”

The report goes on to cite several systematic reviews of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health’s (WPATH) sex-change recommendations. It says:

One of the commissioned systematic reviews found that the strength of evidence for the conclusions that hormonal treatment “may improve” quality of life, depression, and anxiety among transgender people was “low,” and it emphasised the need for more research, “especially among adolescents.” The reviewers also concluded that “it was impossible to draw conclusions about the effects of hormone therapy” on death by suicide.

Despite this, WPATH recommends that young people have access to treatments after comprehensive assessment, stating that the “emerging evidence base indicates a general improvement in the lives of transgender adolescents.”

WPATH has even admitted that the evidence supporting medical transition is so limited that “a systematic review regarding outcomes of treatment in adolescents is not possible," according to BMJ. Yet its public guidance offers no hint of this uncertainty. Indeed, one would think from reading WPATH's public statements on this issue that chemical and physical transition is always the right solution for the patient and that it never leads to unwanted or unexpected consequences.

"We state that when gender affirming medical treatment is provided with a standardized multidisciplinary assessment and treatment process, thorough informed consent, and ongoing monitoring and psycho-social support, the rate of regret of gender-affirming medical treatment commenced in adolescence has been observed to be very low and the benefits of treatment in adolescence are potentially greater than the benefits of gender-affirming treatment commenced in adulthood," WPATH claims. "Hence, the harms associated with obstructing or delaying access to wished for and indicated treatment for the majority, appear greater than the risks of regret for the few."

But the supposed "benefits" to which WPATH refers simply are not reflected in the scientific data. In fact, one of the only studies claiming to show a connection between better mental health and social and physical affirmation had to be publicly revised to clarify that there is no such connection. And every single other conclusive study on this topic has found that the evidence in support of "gender-affirming care" is, at best, inconclusive.....

From the BMJ:
It worked out for Desantis. Disney just gave him 50k and he got to put his donors on a board.
Cronyism at its finest. It worked with Desantis’s base and he profited. It also shows any business to never disagree publicly with the Desantis or he will seek revenge.
Honestly it was a great play by Desantis.
 
Its an easy target for DeSantis to pick on and show those wokers whats up.
 
Didn't Disney start this whole issue with their attack on Ron and his stance on the " don't say gay " bill? If anything, Disney pushed the issue so they get what they get. Personally, I don't care either way. I don't go to Disney and I don't live in Fl.
 
The responses ITT shows how there's zero principles at play here. Only @Fake Doctor has shown otherwise.

Desantis just signed a law attempting to put Disney under state control, or at least virtue signal that is what he is doing, simply because he doesn't like their politics (woke stuff I guess). And this is supposed to be a victory lap for the crowd that have been crying wolf about authoritarian government control for years?

This ridiculous over reach isn't even based on policy, or public utility, it's entirely posturing culture war nonsense. You guys just keep disappointing, but hopefully this mask off thing will mean we can finally stop pretending.

I truly hope Trump bodies Desantis. I've said it since the beginning, Desantis is an authoritarian religious zealot that wants a theocracy and represents the worst the right has to offer.
 
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I'm fine with how the Florida governor has handled Disney. I wish there hadn't been a fight but Disney in the end decided to go after DeSantis and his parents right bill, or as Democrats call it, don't say gay bill, allowing parents to have a voice in what is taught in schools. The disagreement brought to light that Disney had their own special governing system for their park. And with that Florida's government decided it was time to change that. Disney shouldn't be running their own government system.

And along these lines, saw what Disney has been upset with DeSantis over, Disney wants sex education taught to elementary students along with sex change operations on young kids, is now receiving a new review from scientists.


"The scientific revolt against gender ideology has begun"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ific-revolt-against-gender-ideology-has-begun

excerpt:

Gender activists often defend the physical transition of gender-confused children by citing scientific research that supposedly backs up the efficacy and safety of these experimental treatments. But one close look at this research proves the exact opposite — and a number of experts are finally coming forward to say so.

A new in-depth report by the British Medical Journal reveals just how flimsy the “science” behind sex-change treatments is.

The Endocrine Society commissioned two systematic reviews for its clinical practice guideline, Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: one on the effects of sex steroids on lipids and cardiovascular outcomes, the other on their effects on bone health. To indicate the quality of evidence underpinning its various guidelines, the Endocrine Society employed the GRADE system (grading of recommendations assessment, development, and evaluation) and judged the quality of evidence for all recommendations on adolescents as “low” or “very low.”

The report goes on to cite several systematic reviews of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health’s (WPATH) sex-change recommendations. It says:

One of the commissioned systematic reviews found that the strength of evidence for the conclusions that hormonal treatment “may improve” quality of life, depression, and anxiety among transgender people was “low,” and it emphasised the need for more research, “especially among adolescents.” The reviewers also concluded that “it was impossible to draw conclusions about the effects of hormone therapy” on death by suicide.

Despite this, WPATH recommends that young people have access to treatments after comprehensive assessment, stating that the “emerging evidence base indicates a general improvement in the lives of transgender adolescents.”

WPATH has even admitted that the evidence supporting medical transition is so limited that “a systematic review regarding outcomes of treatment in adolescents is not possible," according to BMJ. Yet its public guidance offers no hint of this uncertainty. Indeed, one would think from reading WPATH's public statements on this issue that chemical and physical transition is always the right solution for the patient and that it never leads to unwanted or unexpected consequences.

"We state that when gender affirming medical treatment is provided with a standardized multidisciplinary assessment and treatment process, thorough informed consent, and ongoing monitoring and psycho-social support, the rate of regret of gender-affirming medical treatment commenced in adolescence has been observed to be very low and the benefits of treatment in adolescence are potentially greater than the benefits of gender-affirming treatment commenced in adulthood," WPATH claims. "Hence, the harms associated with obstructing or delaying access to wished for and indicated treatment for the majority, appear greater than the risks of regret for the few."

But the supposed "benefits" to which WPATH refers simply are not reflected in the scientific data. In fact, one of the only studies claiming to show a connection between better mental health and social and physical affirmation had to be publicly revised to clarify that there is no such connection. And every single other conclusive study on this topic has found that the evidence in support of "gender-affirming care" is, at best, inconclusive.....

From the BMJ:

It's not that Disney's special status was taken away in Florida. If the government of Florida wants to do that, fine. It's more that it was a clear and direct reaction to, and retaliation against, Disney taking a political stance that is the problem.

The government is within its rights to give and take away special privileges to corporate entities, like they've done with Disney. That, in itself, isn't worrying. If they looked at what they'd done with Disney and said "Yeah, I don't think you actually deserve that deal" based on the merits of the deal alone that's fine - that's an assessment of the situation on its merit. That's not what they did though. They saw Disney expressing political pushback against something they did and said "Oh, you want to talk back to us? Then yoink - no special privileges for you." Again, it's not that they took the privileges away - it's that they took them away because they didn't like the politics of the corporation. That's a dangerous thing for governments to do, especially when the corporation is pushing fairly mainstream stuff.

I've used this metaphor before, but Desantis just loaded a gun and fired it at a political enemy. Sooner or later he is going to move on and leave that loaded gun on the table. I don't want any gun that I don't want people I don't like to have left on the table, and that's precisely what is being done here. If this becomes a political norm, expect that gun to be fired back at you.

I've criticized Desantis in the past because his methods are getting dangerously close to that "state as enforcer of ideology" line which is damned dangerous. Stuff like this is why I've done so - and if he's as wildly popular as he is in spite of it, that's dangerous for American politics. If he's that popular because of it, it is likely the start of precisely the kind of violent reversing pendulum swing scenario people like me are worried about. Part - just part, but it's a real concern - of why people like me don't like the excesses of the current left is because it will likely lead to an aggressive pushback from the right, and when the right really pushes it pushes hard. I don't want to be alive the next time when a right leaning populace gets organized and says "fuck it" and starts to retaliate wholesale - and the breakdown in dialogue makes that a very real risk.

If this is just pure political animus, a "Yeah, he stuck it to the bad guys - and I don't care how!" anyone here who is in support of that should own up to it. Don't talk to me about free speech principles and whatnot though. I see this and I see a guy pushing for something that I'm not actually against - pushing back about left leaning cultural insanity - in a way that is as worrisome as that cultural insanity. We do not want a state as ideological enforcer.

Edit: I'm also happy to see that Sano recognizes that for all of his many faults, and they are many, Trump is actually less threatening than Desantis on this front. Desantis is a ruthless son of a bitch and seems quite willing to use the government as a hammer in a way that should freak everyone out. I know it's great to see your politics supported in tangible ways, but remember that metaphor of the loaded gun left on the table and use it to assess your own side's activity. You do not want to help politics go down that road.
 
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Didn't Disney start this whole issue with their attack on Ron and his stance on the " don't say gay " bill? If anything, Disney pushed the issue so they get what they get. Personally, I don't care either way. I don't go to Disney and I don't live in Fl.

Most Americans have at least outwardly expressed the view that it's acceptable for people or companies to disagree with governors or other politicians. A lot of people are concerned about the possible impact of Republicans rejecting that view.
 
This really such an amusing thread. Watching a bunch of leftists lose their minds because a multi-billion dollar company loses some of its self governing privileges and then call conservative posters hacks for acknowledging the vast majority of companies can't self-govern. In fact I've never heard of a company having these type of privileges before this incident. No one should be surprised a conservative governor appointed like minded people to the board to oversee this. That's how it works. Democrat governors don't go around appointing people they disagree with as well.
 
Lots of posters in this thread seem to be big fans of political cronyism.
I'm a big fan of duly elected governors appointing people who agree with their values to positions of power on committees.
 
This really such an amusing thread. Watching a bunch of leftists lose their minds because a multi-billion dollar company loses some of its self governing privileges and then call conservative posters hacks for acknowledging the vast majority of companies can't self-govern. In fact I've never heard of a company having these type of privileges before this incident. No one should be surprised a conservative governor appointed like minded people to the board to oversee this. That's how it works. Democrat governors don't go around appointing people they disagree with as well.
In 2023 progressives are pro war, pro big pharma, pro big corps, pro censorship, and anti union.
Trump broke these people.
 
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