International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[Rod1]

How does this view reconcile with things like the Russian invasion of Ukraine, China and Taiwan, China has the 9 dash line, Geneva convention etc.

Is might the sole determinant of right?

You do realize that it was WW2 winners who decided they alone have the right to determine when military force is authorized should tell you so.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

You do realize that it was WW2 winners who decided they alone have the right to determine when military force is authorized should tell you so.

Exactly!

Its not like rules were written in some way that disadvantages countries like America, so its pretty reasonable to expect them to abide by them.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Russia has been trying to conquer Ukraine and murder its leadership since 2022 that ship set sail and Xi Jinping made a New Year Statement calling unification as "inevitable".

These nations don't give a fuck about international law.

It now seems pretty hypocritical for Americans to say that.



Basically my issue is that it doesn't feel like the US (or the world) will get sufficient benefit for ceding the legal and moral high ground.

 

[HereticBD]

Basically my issue is that it doesn't feel like the US (or the world) will get sufficient benefit for ceding the legal and moral high ground.

They did that quite a while ago. Snatching some piece of shit dictator doesn't even register.

Do you really think the world is all of sudden different now? As if they were all playing by the rules, before this event?

 

[Rod1]

Exactly!

Its not like rules were written in some way that disadvantages countries like America, so its pretty reasonable to expect them to abide by them.

And yet you claimed Kosovo is different despite the fact that it was not a sanctioned endeavor it was an unilateral action by NATO.

 

[Rod1]

It now seems pretty hypocritical for Americans to say that.

Sure man a genocidal war of aggression is the same as grabbing an illegitimate dictator that keeps committing crimes against humanity with the help of foreign actors.

Basically my issue is that it doesn't feel like the US (or the world) will get sufficient benefit for ceding the legal and moral high ground.

What moral high ground? US actions rarely have UN approval.

I think saving lives and preventing serious crimes against humanity are worth it

 

[scoopj]

Have you noticed reddit rightnow has totally become a far left echo chamber in Turbo mode?

I mean the site has always been leaning left but right now the talking points there is just extreme.

Its not just a leftist slant it has now become blatantly anti-west.

Doesn’t surprise me. I really can’t stand that site apart from the eye candy or if you’re looking for something very specific.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

And yet you claimed Kosovo is different despite the fact that it was not a sanctioned endeavor it was an unilateral action by NATO.

You’re hallucinating.

My only comment on Kosovo was me saying i don't know much about it, cause I don't.

Can't say I know much about what happened there. All I know is a lawful system even a slow imperfect one is better than countries just doing whatever they please without any structure or real justification offered.

Unilateral action by NATO = Unilateral action by a group of 32 countries.

 

[Hog-train]

1. Chinese weapons still suck in comparison to the US military. Our F-35's just went through China's vaunted high tech radar like Swiss cheese.

No we didn't your own article you posted that you clearly didn't read the air defenses in Venezuela were basically non-existent. And what was there was not maintained and under manned. A couple unmanned and poorly maintained radars is not the Chinese military.

Bullshit. Chinese radar failed because the F-35's successfully jammed them.

Venezuela installed 7 brand new JY-27 radars (which China claims can detect stealth jets - even F-22's) on September 2025. Stop trying to blame maintenance when they're brand new.

Chinese JY-L1 radar also failed. Chinese HQ9 missiles also failed.

A few months back, Pakistan also used these Chinese systems against India. But Indian missiles were hitting Pakistan at will.

China’s Anti-Stealth JY-27 Radar Flops In Venezuela? Did F-22, F-35 "Hunter" Got Hunted By USAF, Experts Decode

The unprecedented capture of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro by the US military has stirred several conversations among military strategists, observers, and defense enthusiasts. Interestingly, this includes the “ineffectiveness” of the radars that Caracas acquired from China. On January 3...

www.eurasiantimes.com

2. China will not back you up in any way as a military ally.
No reasonable adult would expect direct Chinese military support across the Pacific and through the Panama canal to begin with. This is just silly.

So being a Chinese ally is useless.

3. It's a bad idea to oppose the US in this Hemisphere.
No one is actually opposing the US in this hemisphere.

Because Maduro is gone.

4. BRICS is garbage.
No reasonable adult took BRICS serious now or ever

And we just killed any remote chance it ever will.

Literally no one in the Trump regime is saying this was about China. Not even the fascist Miller.

You're living in some alternate reality. They've said plenty about China (and Russia) in Venezuela. Told them to dismiss all the Chinese and Russian agents. Told them to sever economic ties with China, Russia, Iran, and Cuba, etc.

 

[Hog-train]

This operation was legitimately insane.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

So any world leader should find a way to protect themselves from you. Wether by an alliance or by developing nukes.

And even being your ally, they should still protect themselves from you, as you will still try to take land from an ally like it's happening with Denmark and Greenland right now, despite being a NATO member. Or threaten tto hurt them with tariffs like you did the EU.

So not only international law don't mean shit to you but also NATO doesn't too now.

You're not reliable as an ally anymore and are dangerous, unhinged and capable to act on a whim for your own economical benefits without giving a care of the consequences it has on global world order.

You're not a trustworthy ally. That's the only thing you showed the world.

Without allies, no empire can last long historically.

Well said

 

[SurferH2O]

Remember that time that Trump nailed Iran's General in Iraq as he met with terrorists?

Remember that time Trump hit Iran's nuclear capabilities and their top brass and ended them as a threat?

Democrats were upset and so were those that follow them like a cult... perhaps we need to quit listening to them?

 

[Rod1]

Unilateral action by NATO = Unilateral action by a group of 32 countries.

The coalition of the willing that went into Iraq had 35 countries.

Still illegal

 

[Squarechoke]

Putin's bitch just took down at least one of Putin's oil tankers, and perhaps two.

All this "Putin's Bitch" and TACO Trump crap makes people look like Left Cult.

Since you quoted me you could have responded to what I wrote instead of posting an argument against what someone else has said.

 

[The_Renaissance]

This operation was legitimately insane.

Yep, absolutely impressive shit. Honestly, it really shows that the USA is the one nation on the planet you really do not want to fuck with by any means.

 

[Hog-train]

i think he was given up by his cronies, no way an operation goes that slick, how did they know exactly where he would be for example. none of the rest of his equally nasty regime has been touched, they are still free to fuck with the population, and trump dont give a shit, plenty of ways this could still go tits up, dont break out the champagne yet , lets see if the venezuelan peoples lives improve first shall we.

Watch the video I posted a little up on the page. Some people on the inside were working with the US to let them know the location.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Watch the video I posted a little up on the page. Some people on the inside were working with the US to let them know the location.

The man was absolutely despised by his own population, there'd have been no shortage of volunteers for that.

Now go and get Mamdani next! Kidnap him!

 

[Blastbeat]

Have you noticed reddit rightnow has totally become a far left echo chamber in Turbo mode?

I mean the site has always been leaning left but right now the talking points there is just extreme.

Its not just a leftist slant it has now become blatantly anti-west.

It's been way further left ever since Tumblr got rid of a lot of it's adult content and their users migrated there. Tumblr was always loony far left and the influx of users onto Reddit helped bring it further to the left.
Now it's just an echo chamber. Like Gab on the right. It's getting harder to find spaces online that trend towards neutral for discussing things.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Lol, what a year, eh?

 

[Koya]