International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[tastaylvr]

What does it change?

The change of power will do the same thing lol

 

[Koya]

How does this view reconcile with things like the Russian invasion of Ukraine, China and Taiwan, China has the 9 dash line, Geneva convention etc.

Is might the sole determinant of right?

No there's also "I like that country more"

 

[The_Renaissance]

Fuck Maduro, and fuck communism.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

Honestly I don't think it will. Trump has proven too unpredictable for China to invade Taiwan before 2029 when he's gone. They almost certainly will prefer to hope isolationist JD Vance wins the 2028 election. Russia has maybe 12-18 months left before their economy and military recruitment completely melt down and make continuing their war impossible. And Trump is going be mired in a Venezuela mess for the next 12 months.

The only real danger I see is runaway nuclear proliferation, which will start with Iran getting nuclear weapons -- forcing Saudi Arabia to get their own nuclear weapons in response (Iran has threatened Saudi before, and demanded control of the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina).

I'm not so sure.

I can see the culture changing from certain US media and it's people. It seems to bed a precursor of things to come. Get the media to win over a percentage of the population of a certain idea, then move forward.

I hope you're right though.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

What does it change?

The change of power will do the same thing lol

United states tax payers will pay probably 2 or 3 trillion most likely to fix up the oil production. Then years later after they made a profit theyll "pay it back"
It's like 2008, 2020.

Depends on who really holds on. Right now the replacement for maduro might play ball even though her brother/regime is viscous and corrupt.

i wouldn't take the predictions of the fall out of World War Epstein from people who gave out predictions that were gibberish for the last 4 days. "Tim walz will be president" if Trump is killed bad

 

[Hog-train]

I'm neither American or Chinese. I'm team international law. For all geopolitical matters. Because it's thanks to that that we're preventing a world war III. I now understand that you have a very binary view on this because it involves a nationalistic pride for you.

Domestically, the US's actions fall into a legal grey area that may still result in Maduro standing trial, regardless of the circumstances that brought him there.

The US maintains its actions were legally justified. The Trump administration has accused Maduro of "narco-terrorism" and enabling the transport of "thousands of tonnes" of cocaine to the US. He is guilty of that.

Regardless, I actually suspect this was planned with Maduro and he made a deal with the US. Ever picture I see of him in capyivity has him smiling and looking fine. And the military operation seemed ridiculously flawless.

Western oil company will develop infrastructure yeah. Which will be used to funnel the oil to the US. Refine it there. And sell it from there. No one believes that trump wants to do a charity operation for the Venezuelan people. That's hasbara level propaganda.

You have no understanding on how these oil companies work if you think we just wholesale steal oil.

It's going to work the way it's worked for decades before they got kicked out by Chavez. And also how it works literally everywhere else. The oil companies build the infrastructure and get a cut with the rest going to the host country.

Rubio said a ton of things on Ukraine, Gaza and other matters and Trump always did what he wanted and made him sound ridiculous.

You can perfectly run a country to your own best interests without boots on the ground if you install a puppet head of state that obeys your command. You just let him does as he pleases with his people as long as he accepts to benefit you in whatever you ask from him. Ask Putin and Lukashenko. Or France and Ivory Coast. It's a tale as old as time.

The VP is the interim head of state right now and it's looking like María Corina Machado, who was the real winner of the last election, is poised to take over. So how TF is that a puppet head of state?

She was the rightfully elected leader before the US got involved.

Respectfully, I'm done here, in my opinion based on this discussion, you're clearly heavily biased and change your values depending if the culprit is American or non-american. So nothing more productive to discuss.

1. Literally everyone is biased, including you.
2. I'm team USA and not ashamed of it. Doesn't mean I don't criticize their actions - was against Iraq War, Afghanistan War, their attack on Iran, etc. But this particular action was necessary.

 

[lowlife]

A "massive win" for who, exactly?

 

[b34stmode]

Domestically, the US's actions fall into a legal grey area that may still result in Maduro standing trial, regardless of the circumstances that brought him there.

The US maintains its actions were legally justified. The Trump administration has accused Maduro of "narco-terrorism" and enabling the transport of "thousands of tonnes" of cocaine to the US. He is guilty of that.

Regardless, I actually suspect this was planned with Maduro and he made a deal with the US. Ever picture I see of him in capyivity has him smiling and looking fine. And the military operation seemed ridiculously flawless.




You have no understanding on how these oil companies work if you think we just wholesale steal oil.

It's going to work the way it's worked for decades before they got kicked out by Chavez. And also how it works literally everywhere else. The oil companies build the infrastructure and get a cut with the rest going to the host country.



The VP is the interim head of state right now and it's looking like María Corina Machado, who was the real winner of the last election, is poised to take over. So how TF is that a puppet head of state?

She was the rightfully elected leader before the US got involved.



1. Literally everyone is biased, including you.
2. I'm team USA and not ashamed of it. Doesn't mean I don't criticize their actions - was against Iraq War, Afghanistan War, their attack on Iran, etc. But this particular action was necessary.

I'm sorry but how is it looking like María Corina Machado is poised to take over? Trump basically said the exact opposite my guy. And now you have her on social media basically offering the nobel peace prize to Trump in return for him supporting her. Its twilight zone level shit, but I don't see her taking power, ever.

Sounded to me like Trump is going to try and strong arm them via the VP to do their bidding til elections are held.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

I'm sorry but how is it looking like María Corina Machado is poised to take over? Trump basically said the exact opposite my guy. And now you have her on social media basically offering the nobel peace prize to Trump in return for him supporting her. Its twilight zone level shit, but I don't see her taking power, ever.

Sounded to me like Trump is going to try and strong arm them via the VP to do their bidding til elections are held.

2024_Venezuelan_presidential_election

Hahaha. Can't you see she won the 2024 election against maduro lol

God bless Fox News totally retarded

 

[b34stmode]

2024_Venezuelan_presidential_election

Hahaha. Can't you see she won the 2024 election against maduro lol

God bless Fox News totally retarded

what...? WTF am I reading?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Maduro was literally amassing troops at the Guyanese border to try to take land.

The UN also came out with a 161 page report detailing his crimes against humanity including killing and disappearing thousands of people - also disappeared tons of children.

Yea I'm pretty damn sure Maduro was a bad guy.

But that's all completely irrelevant.

The most important thing is that we stopped China from getting a staging ground in our immediate neighborhood. If you do not understand how critical that is, you need to educate yourself on geopolitics.



The US didn't take Venezuela - they just arrested one guy.

Are you new to this shit? Placing a puppet in Venezuela has been a NeoCon goal for TWENTY YEARS. We've been trying to do this since Hugo Chavez was President. Trump tried to do it in his first term with Juan Guaido. John Bolton ADMITTED TO THIS on live TV right to your fucking face. They are TELLING YOU they are doing this for oil and resources. NO AMBIGUITY. Trump literally said we are going to RUN VENEZUELA AND SELL IT'S OIL.

China is not going to attack us militarily, you bozo. We're a bigger threat to them than they are to us, go look at US military presence around China. Who is the one bombing other countries? I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

what...? WTF am I reading?

Hahaha. Exactly. Don't take anything maga has to say on Epstein and the Caribbean as the truth.
I'm repeating the dumbshit they were saying 3 days and kept doubling down on. They get called out then troll and fire off passive aggressive questions trying to hide their ignorance.

 

[cooks1]

I was initially shocked that the US actually deposed Maduro by force. And did it so easily in only 2 hours. I was picturing some years long guerilla war and pressuring the people under him to assassinate him.

Instead they did a perfectly executed surgical extraction with zero American soldiers killed or any aircraft downed. As a military operation, it was literally perfect and something Russia could only dream of achieving. Russia was trying to pull this off at the beginning of the Ukraine War, but failed miserably.

I did have mixed feelings about militarily interfering with a sovereign country, but I'm coming around to the fact that this will be a massive win for the United States.

It accomplishes several huge objectives.

Reinforces the Monroe Doctrine

1. For those that don't know what the Monroe Doctrine is - it is a US foreign policy position that opposes colonialism or any influence in the Western Hemisphere by other countries from Europe or elsewhere. It was originally against European colonialism - "GTFO out of here and we won't fuck with your Euro colonies."

2. Russia and Venezuela signed a Strategic Partnership and Cooperation Treaty in May 2025, formalizing deeper ties in energy, mining, transport, defense, and counterterrorism, driven by shared opposition to the U.S. China has invested over 100 billion into Venezuela since 2007 and also has treaties with Venezuela.

3. Both China and Russia has sold a significant amount of weapons to Venezuela over the last two decades.

Say bye bye to all of that. All their influence in Latin America just went down SUBSTANTIALLY.

4. The US just proved they're not playing around in protecting the Western Hemisphere.

Did Irreparable Harm to Chinese Influence

1. A Chinese delegation was literally meeting Maduro just hours before. Well what are they going to do about this? Absolutely jack shit - except publicly denounce it.

2. China has been allying with dictators and leaders all over South America to get influence. Including building in Panama and buying ports there so they can have influence over the Panama Canal.

3. Well we just showed being China's partner doesn't mean protection. Instead it means EXPOSURE and a spotlight on you as an enemy of the #1 superpower.

Yea China might smile to you in front of cameras and promise you the world and give you money, but when you need it the most, they don't shield or protect you. They don't help militarily at all. They'll just step aside and ditch you when pressure escalates and issue a statement of strong protest the next day.


It just scared the shit out of any dictators or leaders that's thinking about allying with America's enemies

1. Maduro literally thought he could invite the US's number one adversary into their backyard and they would just allow him to erode their national security. He figured China would protect him when they inevitably retaliate. Well we're already seeing China and Russia will do jack shit to protect their "allies" in Latin America.

2. In one night, every single Latin American leader just realized it is time to decouple with China and align with the superpower in their hemisphere.

3. No dictator is actually concerned with the United States massive military because they know they realistically won't level their entire country and kill thousands to millions of people.

But they now know the US can (and will) surgically go into their country, kidnap the dictator (AND wife) in 2 hours and they have zero chance to even try to stop it - that is a much more scarier and realistic threat to any nation's leader than an unlikely dragged out war.

4. There is zero chance in hell China or Russia would have been able to pull something like this off. Maduro never sleeps in the same place every single night and he was housed in a heavily protected installation carved into the mountains when he was taken.

Yet the US took him and wife with ZERO casualties or aircrafts downed in 2 hours - air superiority, jamming and destroying all their radars, stealth, cyberwarfare, etc.

Literally no other country on Earth could have pulled this off other than the US.

It secures the largest oil reserves in the entire world and US national security for decades.

1. Quick history lesson - in the 90's, Venezuela opened up their oil industry to foreign investment because their companies did not have the technical expertise or funds to fully utilize their oil reserves. The US companies invested tens of billions in oil infrastructure. US oil companies have also been here since oil was discovered in the 1920's. This was all seized and nationalized when Hugo Chavez came into power.

Now presumably the US companies will be invited back.

2. Neighboring Guyana just discovered massive new oil reserves, which Maduro was trying to annex by force. Now the US companies will be developing them.

3. Coupled with the US's own substantial oil reserves, this will result in the US getting the CHEAPEST PRICES FOR GAS in the ENTIRE WORLD in DECADES. Most experts predicts this will happen once supply chains get established.

4. This will spur on substantial financial growth and most Americans are not going to give a shit about anything when they're paying $1.50-$2 a gallon.

5. Meanwhile, China is increasingly super insecure about oil and constantly looking for other sources. They are super dependent on other places for oil AND food while the US is self reliant for both.

6. All of the major industrial giants in the world - The EU, India, China, Japan, South Korea, etc. They're ALL heavily reliant on foreign oil. The US is completely self sufficient and now will have Venezuela as a favorable government right in their backyard.

Suffice to say, China will NEVER be able to supplant the US as the world's superpower due to their energy problem.

7. Lessons the influence of Saudi Arabia.

The actual Venezuelans in the country will eventually be among the richest in Latin America as it previously was before

1. Venezuelans were once among the richest people in Latin America, particularly after the 1920s oil boom turned Venezuela into the wealthiest nation in the region.

2. Before Huge Chavez came into power, they used to be one of the US's biggest allies with us selling them US weapons like F-16's. They were allies for decades.

3. Once the oil infrastructure is fixed, the oil revenue will greatly help the flagging Venezuelan economy and their citizens. Venezuela still has the largest oil reserves in the entire world by a very wide margin.

4. Lastly, Maduro was indeed a brutal dictator that completely ignored the results of their last election.

Well....There are really 2 questions issues here.

The first issue- the actual execution of the mission- I don't see how that could have been done any better. I mean Holy Fuck.

As to the legality and ethics of it.....that's a different question entirely. I think I know how most of us would feel if another nation came onto US soil and extracted our President. That is not a behavior we should be normalizing.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Its literally in the name ANALOGY which literally means proportionate in Greek, if an analogy isn't analogous then its not an analogy dumbass.



So you think in the name of "law and order" the US should not stop a genocide like the one in Kosovo?

Something being analogous is not a 0% or 100% proposition, shit for brains. An analogy is comparing similar things/situations to highlight a particular point or idea, dumbass.
You can debate how similar or dissimilar you THINK the two things I compared were, but it's still a fucking analogy. You could think what I said was only 20% similar while I could think it was 80%---but either way, that doesn't make it not an analogy. It makes you an idiot, but it still doesn't change the fact that it is an analogy.
I hope to god English isn't your native tongue.


You see how you have to keep moving the goalposts and moving past the facts in order to justify something that can't be justified?
This isn't complicated. This was an illegal act. No country should unilaterally go into another country and just take out their leader.
Key word here for the slow people is: UNILATERALLY.
Even in your Kosovo example, the US didn't just go in alone and act.
Add to that, the world in 1998 vs 2026 are worlds apart.
It's not even just about this action--this is an America that's been in "nation building" wars for the past few decades, an America that ignores or funds the heinous acts of leaders in other countries, this act is being carried out by a President that said he was "America first"/party of law and order, and has a shit ton of his own scandals to deal with.
We're also in a world where Russia and Ukraine is a hot issue...as well as China and Taiwan. How greater powers act towards weaker ones is more important now than ever because it sets the stage of what is and isn't acceptable for the future.
None of this is being done for some greater moral good. And these sort of actions often have long lasting effects that we'll get a taste of 20 years down the road.

The bottom line here is if you think that this was the right action by the US, then good for you, think that. You are free to be a hypocrite. You are free to not care about the law. And you are free to be a retard.
But don't try to feed us some bullshit about the law not actually mattering, that this was done with good intentions, or any other "whataboutisms" from the past.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

United states tax payers will pay probably 2 or 3 trillion most likely to fix up the oil production. Then years later after they made a profit theyll "pay it back"
It's like 2008, 2020.

Depends on who really holds on. Right now the replacement for maduro might play ball even though her brother/regime is viscous and corrupt.

i wouldn't take the predictions of the fall out of World War Epstein from people who gave out predictions that were gibberish for the last 4 days. "Tim walz will be president" if Trump is killed bad

Chavists sold Maduro lol. It is so obvious. Dude didn't took the offers and they probably disagreed. He should have left and retire somewhere else quietly.

Cabello and all the other wanted narco-terrorirsts will be on the governmet too. As long as they do whatever Trump wants nothing is going to really change there for now.

Hopefully everything gets better for our Venezuelan brothers.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

Chavists sold Maduro lol. It is so obvious. Dude didn't took the offers and they probably disagreed. He should have left and retire somewhere else quietly.

Cabello and all the other wanted narco-terrorirsts will be on the governmet too. As long as they do whatever Trump wants nothing is going to really change there for now.

Hopefully everything gets better for our Venezuelan brothers.

There's so many things in play. Its a "churn" power structures are reset from leadership to oil.
If they are smart they'll take the money, get the oil back up and vanish people quietly. America cannot afford a long term war there without quality of life crashing.
I'm trying to figure out the Colombian angle. I can't tell if it's saber rattling or real. Any ideas?

 

[SalvadorAllende]

There's so many things in play. Its a "churn" power structures are reset from leadership to oil.
If they are smart they'll take the money, get the oil back up and vanish people quietly. America cannot afford a long term war there without quality of life crashing.
I'm trying to figure out the Colombian angle. I can't tell if it's saber rattling or real. Any ideas?

I have no idea about Colombia.

But my guess about Venezuela is they are going to build up the oil business.. open the economy, put a right wing governmet and gtfo. Venezuelans could not be much worse than now.

US is rebuilding back their influence in south america after many years of mailnly leftists governments in the region. Milei winning in Argentina and doing better than expected was huge for Trump. Kast winning in Chile too.

Now they fucked up Maduro who was sending oil money supporting leftists all over the place. Cuba is going to suffer immensily.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

I have no idea about Colombia.

But my guess about Venezuela is they are going to build up the oil business.. open the economy, put a right wing governmet and gtfo. Venezuelans could not be much worse than now.

US is rebuilding back their influence in south america after many years of mailnly leftists governments in the region. Milei winning in Argentina and doing better than expected was huge for Trump. Kast winning in Chile too.

Now they fucked up Maduro who was sending oil money supporting leftists all over the place. Cuba is going to suffer immensily.

Orange women's make up child rapist's plan won't work without Colombia on board.its tar sand oil. The oil companies will want the US government to fund the nation wide refit plus they'll want troops there.
Without Colombia completely on board it would be extremely expensive, not only that they could block off asylum, then Venezuela melts down.
I don't know if you know this but Colombia has taken on a couple million refugees from Venezuela. Most of them are opposition.
It's why I can't give a clear prediction. Colombia is a major variable. Colombians are not a good enemy to have.

 

[44nutman]

A massive win based on a massive lie.

Pam Bondi forced to admit Trump's Maduro claim is a complete fiction

The president for months has promoted the claim that Maduro was the leader of a drug cartel called Cartel de los Soles. Now DOJ prosecutors say the organization doesn't exist.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[syct23]

Orange women's make up child rapist's plan won't work without Colombia on board.its tar sand oil. The oil companies will want the US government to fund the nation wide refit plus they'll want troops there.
Without Colombia completely on board it would be extremely expensive, not only that they could block off asylum, then Venezuela melts down.
I don't know if you know this but Colombia has taken on a couple million refugees from Venezuela. Most of them are opposition.
It's why I can't give a clear prediction. Colombia is a major variable. Colombians are not a good enemy to have.

Don’t forget that it take at least 3-5 years to get everything up and running to even begin filling up oil barrels..

Don’t know why people think this is going to magically happen in the next 5 months..