Opinion Democratic Party Leadership Is Moving Away From Bernie Sanders

[japman40]

because he can rally the base better than bernie. Bernie can rally the antihillary crowd and some white voters that arent dems but he never got over with everyone else. he did terribly with nonwhite voters. Read the article.

This is hilariously wrong, you really need to do your homework. He actually leads any democratic candidate with non whites. And no progressive is going to vote for Beto instead of Bernie. Beto is a centrist with an average voting record, he's not progressive at all. The policies aren't even similar between them

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/12/here-are-the-leaders-in-the-2020-polls.html

 

[japman40]

Bernie Sanders endorsement of Hillary Clinton will be his undoing. If (and that's a big if) he decides to run in 2020, President Trump's reelection campaign can just replay the clip of Bernie Sanders endorsing Hillary Clinton over and over and over again. This turns Hillary Clinton into a campaign issue yet again. Bernie will be backed into a corner where he has to either admit that he was being deceptive when he endorsed Hillary Clinton, or he's in a position where he has to defend Hillary Clinton. Either choice is going to cost him votes.

No one gives a fuck that he endorsed the democratic nominee, he said he would endorse the nominee before he even ran. 64 million plus voted for Hillary, I doubt they care he kept his word. Bernie would endorse a piece of potato over trump, it would do a better job.

The only one who will have to answer for his vote is Richard Ojeda, who voted for Trump in 2016. Which is a shame, I think he would make a great congressman. But that basically kills any chances of him getting votes during his presidential run.

I really dislike Hillary and didn't vote for her, but if I lived in a swing state you better believe I would have voted for her.

 

[japman40]

I can't believe Bernie stuck with the Democrats and Clinton after the way they played him.

He didn't need Wikileaks to tell him he was being done dirty.

True, but what good would it do him to go on a rage about it? Bernie only cares that the policies he advocates for come to fruition. Would it help or hurt him policy wise if he denounced the DNC?

This is what I like about Bernie, he doesn't give a fuck about his ego or feelings, etc... it's all policies with him. Everything else is inconsequential.

 

[japman40]

And that is exactly the problem with the political landscape - both sides are willing to overlook the bullshit on their side to point a finger at the other side. It's a destructive process, and only served to hurt Bernie's credibility.

It's not about pointing fingers, Bernie has called out democrats plenty of times. He endorsed Hillary for the same reason I would have voted for her if I lived in a swing state, because cadet bone spurs is unqualified to run this country, and has done more damage than Hillary would have if she was president ( this is coming from someone who would feel dirty voting for her).

 

[japman40]

You want to change the party. You take away their voters. THAT'S when you change a party. You ain't doing shit from within when the party bosses are all lining their pockets and shafting progressive voters. You take away their seat at the power table then they have to adapt. It's the only way.

I mean look how fast the "Clinton Foundation" shriveled up after Trump beat Hillary to the swing states. All that sweet sweet loot went bye bye.

Money and power is all the Democrats, and Republicans, see. The cancer is too thick in both parties to get them to adapt from within.

Let me know how many third party candidates have won the presidency, and are sitting in Congress and the senate. It's retarded to think having a viable strong third party is feasible without first changing how we vote.

 

[japman40]

No one wants to give their hard earned dollars away to a bunch of ANTIFA drones who have been taught they shouldn't have to earn their own shit.

We all give our hard earned money to the government regardless, I pay about 2400 a month in taxes. Would I rather see my money go towards a bloated military budget, tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, etc... or would I rather see my money go towards healthcare, education, infrastructure, environmental protectionism? Hmmm that's a tough one.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

True, but what good would it do him to go on a rage about it? Bernie only cares that the policies he advocates for come to fruition. Would it help or hurt him policy wise if he denounced the DNC?

This is true but again, it's taking that "the end justifies the means" philosophy that creates this blind hyper partisanship that just kills any real intelligent debate in politics.

Trump supporters and colleagues in the RNC put up with his shit because, hey, at least it's not Hillary Clinton and Hillary is dangerous to the country. Democrats support Hillary because, hey, at least she isn't Trump and Trump is dangerous to the country.

Both sides need to call out their own bullshit and have some integrity (I'm well aware I'm being idealistic here).

 

[franklinstower]

It's not about pointing fingers, Bernie has called out democrats plenty of times. He endorsed Hillary for the same reason I would have voted for her if I lived in a swing state, because cadet bone spurs is unqualified to run this country, and has done more damage than Hillary would have if she was president ( this is coming from someone who would feel dirty voting for her).

I agree. I'm Bernie all the way but Hillary rightly got my vote inthe generals due the the spectre of Trump.

 

[King in the North]

Check your privilege white boy.


This guy gets it.

Sorry you’re threatened by minorities and women.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Sorry you’re threatened by minorities and women.

Watch out guys, this NPC has all the answers!

 

[Philo-Publius]

We all give are hard earned money to the government regardless, I pay about 2400 a month in taxes. Would I rather see my money go towards a bloated military budget, tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, etc... or would I rather see my money go towards healthcare, education, infrastructure, environmental protectionism? Hmmm that's a tough one.

Hmmm...would you rather pay 50% of your income to taxes or 30% of your income to taxes? That's a tough one.

 

[japman40]

Hmmm...would you rather pay 50% of your income to taxes or 30% of your income to taxes? That's a tough one.

What does that have to do with how the money is spent? That's a totally different conversation.

 

[japman40]

Hmmm...would you rather pay 50% of your income to taxes or 30% of your income to taxes? That's a tough one.

And what state pays 50% in income tax? California tops off at 13.3% for the highest earners

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yup, apparently every candidate is suddenly responsible for every act of any of the hundreds of employees their campaign employs.





And the candidate is also responsible for who gets paid what.



I'm not a fan of Bernie, whatsoever, but its obvious the FakeNews media is setting their sights on him before he even announces his decision to run.

#OldJewBad.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

And what state pays 50% in income tax? California tops off at 13.3% for the highest earners

Add that to the top federal bracket of 37% Einstein.

 

[japman40]

Add that to the top federal bracket of 37% Einstein.

What part of the population even fits in that category? And they got so many loopholes none of them pay that. Im not shedding a tear for them, it would make more sense to look at what the middle class pays

 

[japman40]

Yup, apparently every candidate is suddenly responsible for every act of any of the hundreds of employees their campaign employs.





And the candidate is also responsible for who gets paid what.



I'm not a fan of Bernie, whatsoever, but its obvious the FakeNews media is setting their sights on him before he even announces his decision to run.

#OldJewBad.

Yeah it's blatantly obvious what they're doing. Corporate media is going to attack him on everything and anything from now on. If you remember it happen to trump too from fox news when he was running, they relented once he won the primaries. Any anti establishment candidate is going to either get ignored or attacked.

 

[TheGreatA]

Yeah it's blatantly obvious what they're doing. Corporate media is going to attack him on everything and anything from now on. If you remember it happen to trump too from fox news when he was running, they relented once he won the primaries. Any anti establishment candidate is going to either get ignored or attacked.

It'd be funny to see the MSM have to pick between Trump and Sanders. Could see some weird stuff going down.

On one hand, Trump is Hitler, but on the other hand, he will leave the corporations largely untouched, even if he rails against their political (globalist) interests. Sanders could potentially introduce legislation that hurts their pockets.

 

[Philo-Publius]

What does that have to do with how the money is spent? That's a totally different conversation.

Clearly, I was alluding to the fact that Democrats are moving away from Bernie in large part because he is a Socialist, and Socialism necessitates higher taxes...

And what state pays 50% in income tax? California tops off at 13.3% for the highest earners

Try European countries that have Socialist economies or are approaching Socialism with larger social programs.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yeah it's blatantly obvious what they're doing. Corporate media is going to attack him on everything and anything from now on. If you remember it happen to trump too from fox news when he was running, they relented once he won the primaries. Any anti establishment candidate is going to either get ignored or attacked.

The 2016 primaries exposed FoxNews for being Establishment Republican at its center, but with a conservative outer layer.

At first, all of its coverage was Pro-Jeb, and then Pro-Rubio, and when it became obvious Rubio wasn't going to win they finally and reluctantly were Pro-Trump.

At no point FoxNews ever make the decision to give Ted Cruz positive news coverage, although his conservative stances were supported by the majority of their regular audiences.

For the Berniebros, Cruz was to FoxNews what Bernie was to CNN, in 2015 & 2016.