Opinion Democratic Party Leadership Is Moving Away From Bernie Sanders

[franklinstower]

I feel like every Bernie supporter that was devastated when he didnt quite pull off the historical upset, is just frothing at the mouth for another shot at this.

I think the momentum is going to pick up right where it left off. We just get to start with name recognition, and as a front runner.

Quit amazing to remember back to having to explain to everyone who Bernie is.

I'm all the way in man. Bernie is by far the best politician in the country man. Who do you want for his vice president position, Warren?

 

[IGIT]

You and millions more like us.

As important as it is for Bernie to have a real vision, it is equally beneficial for the media to keep poking the bear, and thumbing their nose at the public.

Their arrogance will be their downfall.

American Macron's.

Viva,

i think the problem is more cellular, VivaRevolution.

the fact is, Mr. Sanders isn't a Democrat, and he doesn't represent the Democratic Party. Democrats...real Democrats, find Bernie too "out there". you can look at the primary breakdown from 2016, Viva. Bernie won big among independents, but lost everywhere else to Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Sanders is to the Democratic Party what the Freedom Caucus is to the GOP. a bit of a nuisance, though rhetorically useful at times.

this is depressing to add, but i'll throw this out there; i'll bet more than half of Mr. Sanders supporters just like the "bomb throwing" prospect of a Sanders' presidency. they probably only had the vaguest idea of what his policy positions are. they're the same kind of voters that were excited about either a Trump or Sanders win. "free college" sounds just as sexy as "build a wall".

they just wanted excitement.

- IGIT

 

[VivaRevolution]

I'm all the way in man. Bernie is by far the best politician in the country man. Who do you want for his vice president position, Warren?

Depends a bit on how the primary goes. Bernie is going to reach across the isle to the right's populists, after the primaries, but my guess is that the DNC machine will attempt to make that as toxic as possible in the primary, when people try to flank Bernie on the left on guns and illegals.

If it is viable, I want a right leaning populist.

If not, Warren would be OK, but be careful with her. Notice how she calls for bankers to resign as she grand stands on camera, but doesn't call for them to be jailed for crimes.

I prefer her to many, but I don't trust her in any meaningful way.

Gabbard would be my first choice. Groom her to follow Bernie.

Ojeda would be awesome, but I don't think that is viable due to the identity politics of the left.

I hope Bernie picks hindsight is 2020 as his campaign slogan.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Viva,

i think the problem is more cellular, VivaRevolution.

the fact is, Mr. Sanders isn't a Democrat, and he doesn't represent the Democratic Party. Democrats...real Democrats, find Bernie too "out there". you can look at the primary breakdown from 2016, Viva. Bernie won big among independents, but lost everywhere else to Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Sanders is to the Democratic Party what the Freedom Caucus is to the GOP. a bit of a nuisance, though rhetorically useful at times.

- IGIT

Happy New Year IGIT!

If you mean the Democratic Party elite and their donors since Clinton was elected then, yes, Bernie doesn't represent them.
But if you mean people who have traditionally voted Democrat for the last half of the 20th century, lower and middle class America, then I would respectfully disagree.

Warmest Regards,
Anung Un Rama

 

[VivaRevolution]

Viva,

i think the problem is more cellular, VivaRevolution.

the fact is, Mr. Sanders isn't a Democrat, and he doesn't represent the Democratic Party. Democrats...real Democrats, find Bernie too "out there". you can look at the primary breakdown from 2016, Viva. Bernie won big among independents, but lost everywhere else to Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Sanders is to the Democratic Party what the Freedom Caucus is to the GOP. a bit of a nuisance, though rhetorically useful at times.

- IGIT

Oh, I agree, I just think they have identified themselves to a large swath of the public as an external enemy. I think it benefits Bernie to be attacked by an external enemy. It mobilizes people. It activates voters to use some Marxist lingo.

The battle for Bernie I think is really the primary. If he wins, those folks will have to do what they have been asking me to do for decades, hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Hopefully they have more of a tolerance for it then I do, as they haven't been asked to do so in election after election.

I really should enjoy where we are in politics more right now. After years and years railing for people to wake up, it is finally happening. 2016 was a turning point. I should really just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show, and watch the failure and ineptitude of those who think 2016 was a blip on the radar, and not the new normal.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Viva,

i think the problem is more cellular, VivaRevolution.

the fact is, Mr. Sanders isn't a Democrat, and he doesn't represent the Democratic Party. Democrats...real Democrats, find Bernie too "out there". you can look at the primary breakdown from 2016, Viva. Bernie won big among independents, but lost everywhere else to Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Sanders is to the Democratic Party what the Freedom Caucus is to the GOP. a bit of a nuisance, though rhetorically useful at times.

this is depressing to add, but i'll throw this out there; i'll bet more than half of Mr. Sanders supporters just like the "bomb throwing" prospect of a Sanders' presidency. they probably only had the vaguest idea of what his policy positions are. they're the same kind of voters that were excited about either a Trump or Sanders win. "free college" sounds just as sexy as "build a wall".

they just wanted excitement.

- IGIT

As to the last part man, the low info masses are the key to winning any election. Their aren't enough educated voters to not need them.

 

[IGIT]

Happy New Year IGIT!

If you mean the Democratic Party elite and their donors since Clinton was elected then, yes, Bernie doesn't represent them.
But if you mean people who have traditionally voted Democrat for the last half of the 20th century, lower and middle class America, then I would respectfully disagree.

Warmest Regards,
Anung Un Rama

hello Anung Un Rama,

i don't know, man.

i don't think the base, that is to say, the broad swath of the electorate that votes "D", is simpatico with many of Mr. Sanders proposals.

campaign finance reform? sure. but that's pretty much it.

lots of them are in no hurry for single payor, since they get their insurance through their employer and, thank you very much, they don't want it messed with - no matter how exhaustively you quote the benefits of single payor to them.

likewise, there's probably many democrats who work in the health insurance industry (almost 3 million Americans work in this field) and they loved the booming, ludicrous profits that rolled in during 2017 - i'm sure they aren't pining for change.

i could go on down the line, but the fact is Bernie's appeal is vibrant - and i am a supporter of his - however he doesn't represent the Democratic Party.

- IGIT

 

[VivaRevolution]

hello Anung Un Rama,

i don't know, man.

i don't think the base, that is to say, the broad swath of the electorate that votes "D", is simpatico with many of Mr. Sanders proposals.

campaign finance reform? sure. but that's pretty much it.

lots of them are in no hurry for single payor, since they get their insurance through their employer and, thank you very much, they don't want it messed with - no matter how exhaustively you quote the benefits of single payor to them.

likewise, there's probably many democrats who work in the health insurance industry (almost 3 million Americans work in this field) and they loved the booming, ludicrous profits that rolled in during 2017 - i'm sure they aren't pining for change.

i could go on down the line, but the fact is Bernie's appeal is vibrant - and i am a supporter of his - however he doesn't represent the Democratic Party.

- IGIT

What do you think about the fox and friends poll that showed 70% of 30,000 fox and friends viewers support single payer?

 

[IGIT]

After years and years railing for people to wake up, it is finally happening.

hello again VivaRevolution,

in the aftermath of Nixon, i thought it was "finally happening" with Carter.

in the aftermath of Reagan/HW Bush*, i thought it was "finally happening" with Clinton.

in the aftermath of W Bush, i thought it was "finally happening" with Obama** and the Democratically controlled Senate and House.

we'll see.

- IGIT

* - war crimes in Central America and South America aside, i think HW was an "ok" POTUS.

**- Jack and Jonathan Chait will tell me that the the Obama Presidency was transformative. i am not sure i agree.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

hello Anung Un Rama,

i don't know, man.

i don't think the base, that is to say, the broad swath of the electorate that votes "D", is simpatico with many of Mr. Sanders proposals.

campaign finance reform? sure. but that's pretty much it.

lots of them are in no hurry for single payor, since they get their insurance through their employer and, thank you very much, they don't want it messed with - no matter how exhaustively you quote the benefits of single payor to them.

likewise, there's probably many democrats who work in the health insurance industry (almost 3 million Americans work in this field) and they loved the booming, ludicrous profits that rolled in during 2017 - i'm sure they aren't pining for change.

i could go on down the line, but the fact is Bernie's appeal is vibrant - and i am a supporter of his - however he doesn't represent the Democratic Party.

- IGIT

IGs,

SIngle payor/ Medicare for All is popular even amongst Republicans. I work in the healthcare field, I think reform is necessary.

Minimum wage and free college are probably he least popular position amongst the masses.
I like those ideas, but I do believe he has to pitch it better/ give a better cost/benefit analysis.

AUR

 

[IGIT]

What do you think about the fox and friends poll that showed 70% of 30,000 fox and friends viewers support single payer?

hiya VivaRevolution,

i think that that poll respondents on that particular show hadn't yet been told what to believe yet.

i know this is me broad brushing an entire audience, but i believe folks that view Fox for actual news content are - at some level - really, really dumb. i don't want them as allies.

- IGIT

 

[VivaRevolution]

hello again VivaRevolution,

in the aftermath of Nixon, i thought it was "finally happening" with Carter.

in the aftermath of Reagan/HW Bush*, i thought it was "finally happening" with Clinton.

in the aftermath of W Bush, i thought it was "finally happening" with Obama** and the Democratically controlled Senate and House.

we'll see.

- IGIT

* - war crimes in Central America and South America aside, i think HW was an "ok" POTUS.

**- Jack and Jonathan Chait will tell me that the the Obama Presidency was transformative. i am not sure i agree.

I can't really disagree with you there. However I think some things have changed.

How we get our information being the biggest.

 

[VivaRevolution]

hiya VivaRevolution,

i think that that poll respondents on that particular show hadn't yet been told what to believe yet.

i know this is me broad brushing an entire audience, but i believe folks that view Fox for actual news content are - at some level - really, really dumb. i don't want them as allies.

- IGIT

The best part about the poll, is that they tried to frame it, to tell them what to think. The question was, do you support single payer at a cost of 36 trillions dollars.

70% voted yes.

Really was one of my favorite stories of last year.

One of those stories where it seemed a big lie we all accepted as truth was exposed as a lie.

The more I look into polling, the more I see the majortiy of polls are using very flawed methodology. The most common being calling a bunch of 50 plus year old people on landlines, claiming this is representative of the public.

I think the media gives us all a very skewed view of reality in this country.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

The best part about the poll, is that they tried to frame it, to tell them what to think. The question was, do you support single payer at a cost of 36 trillions dollars.

70% voted yes.

Really was one of my favorite stories of last year.

One of those stories where it seemed a big lie we all accepted as truth was exposed as a lie.

The more I look into polling, the more I see the majortiy of polls are using very flawed methodology. The most common being calling a bunch of 50 plus year old people on landlines, claiming this is representative of the public.

I think the media gives us all a very skewed view of reality in this country.

 

[VivaRevolution]

IGs,

SIngle payor/ Medicare for All is popular even amongst Republicans. I work in the healthcare field, I think reform is necessary.

Minimum wage and free college are probably he least popular position amongst the masses.
I like those ideas, but I do believe he has to pitch it better/ give a better cost/benefit analysis.

AUR

100% agree. Especially on free college. That needs to become free STEM college.

The right to a job thing, seems a bit too complicated to sell to people.

I actually think the MW thing is semi-popular. I think if they created a 15$ large employer MW, it would have 90% support.

 

[IGIT]

IGs,

SIngle payor/ Medicare for All is popular even amongst Republicans. I work in the healthcare field, I think reform is necessary.

Minimum wage and free college are probably he least popular position amongst the masses.
I like those ideas, but I do believe he has to pitch it better/ give a better cost/benefit analysis.

AUR

hio AUR,

to both you and Viva; i get that single payor enjoys bipartisan support - i just think that the support you two are citing exists in a state of flux.

i'll give an example. when i was a boy, the idea that heat trapping gases were ruinous to the atmosphere was pretty non-controversial. then...at some point...it became controversial. settled science was no longer settled science.

i look for a similar phenomenon to occur regarding the Fox viewership's support of single payor. as i said, i don't think the audience at Fox and Friends has been told, in forceful language, what to think yet by the colorful hosts of that show.

if nothing else, the last two years have proven the GOP's "conservative" electorate to be stunningly malleable in their stated wants, needs and desires.

- IGIT

 

[The ScorpioN]

**- Jack and Jonathan Chait will tell me that the the Obama Presidency was transformative. i am not sure i agree.

I always thought you were one of the best posters here IGIT, would love your take on the Obama presidency. Happy new year buddy.

 

[IGIT]

I always thought you were one of the best posters here IGIT, would love your take on the Obama presidency. Happy new year buddy.

ahoy The ScorpioN!

happy new year to you too, my friend.

- IGIT

 

[japman40]

I almost never see or hear from him so you will have to enlighten me where all this support your talking about because it's not on the general media. There was a time he was unavoidable because he had the DNC in a place they did not want to be in especially on healthcare and education. The party leadership was held to answer to his message about single payer and free education. We almost never hear about this message anymore and he seems tired from fighting to stay in the game.

On network TV I saw Hillary's name mentioned several times where I had to wait nearly 2 hours before his name was mentioned.

Of course you don't hear from him in corporate media. They're against him and any progressive because it goes against their paid interest, and they're told to ignore him to decrease his influence.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/ed-...pporting-bernie-sanders-tank-hillary-clinton/

But it's not working, if you look at any mix polls out there, he's in the lead as the democratic nominee followed by Biden.

Most new media constantly report on Bernie, look at most blogs, youtube host, etc... no one under 55 gives a fuck about old media anyways. Most people here dont get their news from cable networks anymore.

Regarding his message, it's been co opted by the establishment democrats. You hear about universal healthcare, free college, and liveable wage all the time now.

 

[japman40]

Bernie should have ran 3rd party. It was a huge mistake, imo. Especially considering we still got Trump.
But that is a move that takes gigantic balls. Not making that move may have been a mistake, but it doesn't make him a pussy, or anything close, for not doing it.

edit: actually, I think you're right. If he didn't win and Trump still did win, they would have blamed him for the loss just like they blamed that fascists pig Ralph Nader for W's win. Then we'd have Trump and no hope.

Exactly, if he ran third party the DNC would disown him and most likely keep him from running as a democrat again. It's a better strategy to get more justice democrats/ progressives into the democratic party and change it from within.