Elections Democratic Party Approval at All Time Low

[Siver!]

I had to fix the post, if you scroll up it should be looking a lot better now. Apologies.

I'm not aware of what it looks like state by state but I imagine the inequality is extreme. America does have the best health care in the world, if you can afford it. That however is little comfort to the people that can't.

I wasn't having a go at the formatting, just the data.

That's appalling.

 

[cincymma79]

Right. But then if you tell people that their tax increase will eliminate their monthly insurance premiums, what happens?


Prozac. Try it.

Keep not getting it. You’re losing minorities too. Try telling them they’re racist and sexist….oh wait you did that

 

[fedoriswar37]

Few of which ever decide to live in canada after they retire

Wicked . Changes nothing of what I said.

 

[nostradumbass]

Right. But then if you tell people that their tax increase will eliminate their monthly insurance premiums, what happens?

Then it's time to get the calculator out and see how badly they'd get burned.

Average employee contribution for HC premiums- $1,369/year for individual and $6,296 for family.

Now the difference in taxes between the US and countries with "free" healthcare. Median household income is a bit over $83k, average effective federal tax is about 13-14.5%, so around $11k range goes to federal income tax. Not every country runs the same with federal, S&L, but since you want a national program, we'll add nothing to S&L and the federal would increase to around 30%, even though it might increase a bit more than that.

You'd be paying a little over $6k/year more in just taxes for a median income than you're paying now for taxes and family insurance premiums combined. Obviously that number increases more and more for people making over the median income.

 

[Stoic1]

If you want the least efficient and least accountable system you have the government run it.

If you want the most expensive system you have the insurance companies negotiate the price.

 

[Siver!]

If you want the least efficient and least accountable system you have the government run it.

If you want the most expensive system you have the insurance companies negotiate the price.

If you want the least efficient and least accountable system you have an enormous number of tiny disposable outfits with no bargaining power run it.

I mean, that's the way the world actually works.

You get absolutely abysmal prices unless you're a huge conglomerate.

Insurance is the cherry on top. A privately-owned, privately-organized fiddle.

 

[fingercuffs]

Then it's time to get the calculator out and see how badly they'd get burned.

Average employee contribution for HC premiums- $1,369/year for individual and $6,296 for family.

Now the difference in taxes between the US and countries with "free" healthcare. Median household income is a bit over $83k, average effective federal tax is about 13-14.5%, so around $11k range goes to federal income tax. Not every country runs the same with federal, S&L, but since you want a national program, we'll add nothing to S&L and the federal would increase to around 30%, even though it might increase a bit more than that.

You'd be paying a little over $6k/year more in just taxes for a median income than you're paying now for taxes and family insurance premiums combined. Obviously that number increases more and more for people making over the median income.

Lol at ignoring my post about UK healthcare and how much it costs here in comparison. Have you ever left your state, let alone this country? How blissfully unaware that it works in other countries?

 

[Stoic1]

If you want the least efficient and least accountable system you have an enormous number of tiny disposable outfits with no bargaining power run it.

I mean, that's the way the world actually works.

You get absolutely abysmal prices unless you're a huge conglomerate.

Insurance is the cherry on top. A privately-owned, privately-organized fiddle.

I disagree.

Government breeds complacency without competition or innovation. Their employees are almost impossible to fire and have no incentive to provide good service.

Let me ask you this:


You need knee surgery.

You have the option of using an Army doctor or a private practice.

Which do you choose?

 

[Siver!]

I disagree.

Government breeds complacency without competition or innovation. Their employees are almost impossible to fire and have no incentive to provide good service.

Let me ask you this:


You need knee surgery.

You have the option of using an Army doctor or a private practice.

Which do you choose?

The army being a greater organisation, I doubt a private surgery would offer me someone better than Nadja West.

 

[Stoic1]

The army being a greater organisation, I doubt a private surgery would offer me someone better than Nadja West.

You're being deliberately obtuse.

NOBODY will opt for an Army doctor over private practice.

 

[UberHere]

You're being deliberately obtuse.

NOBODY will opt for an Army doctor over private practice.

Most private practices have gone to shit too as they’re being bought out by corporate health systems. It’s a real process getting in touch with your providers cause they farm their calls out to a central location. Plus the providers are all overworked with patient panels that are too big to manage well as they see patients every 20 minutes to meet quotas. 20 minutes is barely enough time to deal with one problem let a alone a list of them. The number of true private practices not operating under some corporate entity, at least in primary care, is dwindling.

 

[avenue94]

I disagree.

Government breeds complacency without competition or innovation. Their employees are almost impossible to fire and have no incentive to provide good service.

Let me ask you this:


You need knee surgery.

You have the option of using an Army doctor or a private practice.

Which do you choose?

The VA has higher patient satisfaction than private healthcare.

 

[Stoic1]

The VA has higher patient satisfaction than private healthcare.

Interesting take. It hasn't been my experience.

Care to answer the question I posed?

 

[cincymma79]

O

Interesting take. It hasn't been my experience.

Care to answer the question I posed?

That’s because everyone who hates it doesn’t use it. 100% of gay guys like weiners

 

[avenue94]

Interesting take. It hasn't been my experience.

Care to answer the question I posed?

I'm good with either. Quite a few doctors have worked in VA or military settings.

VA places score better in some metrics and worse in others, but overall most people who go there are pretty happy.

If you compared the VA to the cream of the crop of hospitals, I'm sure it wouldn't be as good. But most hospitals aren't the cream of the crop kind of place that shows up in a medical drama.

O

That’s because everyone who hates it doesn’t use it. 100% of gay guys like weiners

Any evidence to support that other than random anecdotes that offer no insight into how millions of people that go through the VA actually feel?

 

[nostradumbass]

Lol at ignoring my post about UK healthcare and how much it costs here in comparison. Have you ever left your state, let alone this country? How blissfully unaware that it works in other countries?

Because I'm not interested in your "hey hey, ask about me" posts. FFS, you have nearly 130,000 posts on here and I've never seen a single one that was interesting, informative, or showed even a baseline understanding of anything. They're all just you droning on about yourself when nobody asked or cares, or just generally trying to be a cunt.

Glad your healthcare is cheap because you clearly have dementia on top of your weight problem, old age, and numerous other health problems, which I know about because you never shut the fuck up about yourself. You've already tried the same insults like 30 times, fell on your fat twat all those times too, then completely forget and try the same ones again a couple weeks later. I'm still not "like in my 50s or something", I was 38 the 10 times you asked last year, 39 all the times this year, and I'm still better educated than you, been to more countries than you, and speak more languages than you. Nobody finds it interesting or worldly when a frumpy middle aged lady who doesn't speak any other language goes sightseeing in another country and expects everyone to accomodate you and translate for you.

 

[fingercuffs]

Because I'm not interested in your "hey hey, ask about me" posts. FFS, you have nearly 130,000 posts on here and I've never seen a single one that was interesting, informative, or showed even a baseline understanding of anything. They're all just you droning on about yourself when nobody asked or cares, or just generally trying to be a cunt.

Glad your healthcare is cheap because you clearly have dementia on top of your weight problem, old age, and numerous other health problems, which I know about because you never shut the fuck up about yourself. You've already tried the same insults like 30 times, fell on your fat twat all those times too, then completely forget and try the same ones again a couple weeks later. I'm still not "like in my 50s or something", I was 38 the 10 times you asked last year, 39 all the times this year, and I'm still better educated than you, been to more countries than you, and speak more languages than you. Nobody finds it interesting or worldly when a frumpy middle aged lady who doesn't speak any other language goes sightseeing in another country and expects everyone to accomodate you and translate for you.

How many IRL friends do you have from here? How many people have you had round for dinner frequently? Let's start with no one cares as a comparison. I've met and am proper friends with heaps of people from Sherdog, as is husband. Can you say the same?

Healthcare here is ridiculous. Again, how many other countries have you lived to compare? Why are you so upset that healthcare in this country is such a rip off?

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Dems had the ability to push through anything they wanted in 2020 and didn't do shit. No UHC, no full student loan forgiveness, no federally legal marijuana, no amnesty for undocumented people already here.

But they did prove one narrative wrong: that democrats are "socialists" or "communists". When they had all houses of congress, they didn't do anything a communist or socialist leftist wanted.

 

[luckyshot]

Keep not getting it. You’re losing minorities too. Try telling them they’re racist and sexist….oh wait you did that

Blah blah. Aggro aggro. People hate the Republicans too.

Then it's time to get the calculator out and see how badly they'd get burned.

Average employee contribution for HC premiums- $1,369/year for individual and $6,296 for family.

Now the difference in taxes between the US and countries with "free" healthcare. Median household income is a bit over $83k, average effective federal tax is about 13-14.5%, so around $11k range goes to federal income tax. Not every country runs the same with federal, S&L, but since you want a national program, we'll add nothing to S&L and the federal would increase to around 30%, even though it might increase a bit more than that.

You'd be paying a little over $6k/year more in just taxes for a median income than you're paying now for taxes and family insurance premiums combined. Obviously that number increases more and more for people making over the median income.

That's interesting. But it's also assuming we'd continue paying as much per capita for healtcare as we do now.

Which is almost double what the average country with UHC pays.

AND remember, we have the lovely realities of losing our insurance if we lose our jobs and medical bankruptcy.

Hell, if it wasn't for that Barack Hussein Obama fella, we'd still be getting denied for pre-existing conditions.

Sorry brother, our system sucks goat balls.

 

[Stoic1]

I'm good with either. Quite a few doctors have worked in VA or military settings.

VA places score better in some metrics and worse in others, but overall most people who go there are pretty happy.

If you compared the VA to the cream of the crop of hospitals, I'm sure it wouldn't be as good. But most hospitals aren't the cream of the crop kind of place that shows up in a medical drama.

Any evidence to support that other than random anecdotes that offer no insight into how millions of people that go through the VA actually feel?

Absolutely not the question I asked.

You want an Army doctor or private practice?