Elections Democratic Party Approval at All Time Low

[luckyshot]

Where have you lived where free healthcare's a given? You think Canadians pay $1400 a month extra in tax? Same with the UK?

Here's a question: is there a popular movement anywhere in the world to get rid of their UHC and switch to the privatized, employment-based healthcare system we have here in the US?

No. There isn't.

Why do you think that is?

 

[joy2day]

I can see the perspective of non-white people and sympathize with them. White people have done some horrible shit in the past. Though, doing horrible shit isn't exclusive to any single race. All humans, everywhere, have done some horrible shit.

Were living in 2025, hanging on to the past isn't going to make any progress and it's just going to cause regression, tensions, and hostilities. I would really like a solution to bring people together, and create a more harmonious society, but the elites don't want that. They want to keep us divided and stoke racial tensions. Both Dems and Reps, these media and people are trash bottom feeders.

Then, you have all the dumb dumbs with their platforms spreading hate and idiotic rhetoric.

In this country, were all here together. My success is my neighbors success and vice versa. Maybe there's an afterlife that I can visit when I die that will properly explain why everything has to be this way.

Yeah everything is built on making money through driving division- social media algorhithms, mainstream media, Youtube videos, activists, politicians, all of it. It's in large part a bunch of falsities, but it succeeds in making people angrier with each other and pretending situations that have gotten much better are actually worse or the same.

 

[fingercuffs]

Here's a question: is there a popular movement anywhere in the world to get rid of their UHC and switch to the privatized, employment-based healthcare system we have here in the US?

No. There isn't.

Why do you think that is?

Ha, I had my cancer surgery with United and they were a fucking disaster.

I lived in the UK for 34 years, we weren't spending $1400 a month extra in tax for it.

 

[fingercuffs]

LOL, k

Run out of energy so resorting to insults?
Why on earth wouldn't I have started a business?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Agree on all that.

Interestingly, Trump's administration seems to be doing most of that - ignoring the constituents on ground level, failing to end wars (since it was promised) or call genocide what it is, and leaving their voter base eating shit - all while refusing to out an elite class of child abusers, while the evidence mounts that the President himself is one of those elitist child abusers.

I think we can safely say both parties are fucking atrocious - but even so, I'd still take a non-child abuser over Trump.

FWIW, I think the British Labour government are absolutely abysmal too, and won't be lending them another vote in the future.

- The same here in Brazil. Buty to be sincere, the economy was better under Bolsonaro than Lula.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Run out of energy so resorting to insults?
Why on earth wouldn't I have started a business?

I wish your lemonade stand well.

 

[Aurelian]

Piss belts going at each other hard in here.

 

[fingercuffs]

I wish your lemonade stand well.

Ahhh pat her on the head and belittle her, yeah? Sherdog gonna Sherdog.

 

[luckyshot]

Ha, I had my cancer surgery with United and they were a fucking disaster.

I lived in the UK for 34 years, we weren't spending $1400 a month extra in tax for it.

Sorry about that.

Luigi agreed.

 

[fingercuffs]

Sorry about that.

But that's not an answer to the question I asked.

Mate, I really don't get whose side you're batting for.

It's never going to change, there's too much money involved sadly. Princess Papaya Pussygrabber saing he's going to tariff 1600% doesn't math however and RFK Jr said we shouldn't trust his judgement so we're buggered.

 

[cincymma79]

I have kids, so looks like they world will have to deal with my awesome genetics for another generation.

As for the rest of your post, "Dems need to Dem harder" is a mischaracterization of my OP.

There are some issues where I think they do need to move left-- such as ending support for Israel's genocide and pursuing universal healthcare. Don't look now, but those are positions with wide approval among the entire electorate.

Mostly, I think they just need to stand for issues that actually represent material concerns of the majority of the population.

Universal health does not have wide support if you ask one more question, will you pay more taxes for it. Funding Israel has wide condemnation in your 25% and with the kkk. Most people don’t actually care. Sorry. They might answer a Facebook poll or some shit but they don’t vote that way , you’re deluded and once again not listening.

Here’s where you’re right but still too stupid to get what’s happening. Universal coverage will be ran by the same government that runs everything else we hate. It will run like shit and have no accountability. That’s off the top. I still think we have to do some version of it, but that’s the reality. What you’re completely deluded on is thinking your democrats will ever do it or even have an interest in doing it.they have had super majorities more than once and never even had a vote. They aren’t going to do it. Thats just Lucy with the football. Republicans will at least give tax breaks for it. That’s more than you’re getting from the other team and they’re honest about not wanting more than that at least.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Universal health does not have wide support if you ask one more question, will you pay more taxes for it. Funding Israel has wide condemnation in your 25% and with the kkk. Most people don’t actually care. Sorry. They might answer a Facebook poll or some shit but they don’t vote that way , you’re deluded and once again not listening.

Here’s where you’re right but still too stupid to get what’s happening. Universal coverage will be ran by the same government that runs everything else we hate. It will run like shit and have no accountability. That’s off the top. I still think we have to do some version of it, but that’s the reality. What you’re completely deluded on is thinking your democrats will ever do it or even have an interest in doing it.they have had super majorities more than once and never even had a vote. They aren’t going to do it. Thats just Lucy with the football. Republicans will at least give tax breaks for it. That’s more than you’re getting from the other team and they’re honest about not wanting more than that at least.

It's even more simple question; Blue States could easily adopt the Canadian system (state ran, state funded SP system). Why hasnt that legislation passed in California and New York?

 

[nostradumbass]

Here's a question: is there a popular movement anywhere in the world to get rid of their UHC and switch to the privatized, employment-based healthcare system we have here in the US?

No. There isn't.

Why do you think that is?

Yes and no. Germany and Japan already have employer based healthcare, UK have majority support more private healthcare, Canada's less than half satisfied with their HC and a majority want private options, and 1/3 of younger people said they'd be willing to travel to the US for healthcare.

Funding is less clear because it doesn't seem most people know how much less we pay in taxes. Polling for single payer in the US drops off a cliff when it comes to paying higher taxes and losing their private insurance, and other countries don't factor in paying less in taxes, and don't factor in their employer paying for most of it.

 

[luckyshot]

Yes and no. Germany and Japan already have employer based healthcare, UK have majority support more private healthcare, Canada's less than half satisfied with their HC and a majority want private options, and 1/3 of younger people said they'd be willing to travel to the US for healthcare.

Funding is less clear because it doesn't seem most people know how much less we pay in taxes. Polling for single payer in the US drops off a cliff when it comes to paying higher taxes and losing their private insurance, and other countries don't factor in paying less in taxes, and don't factor in their employer paying for most of it.

Right. But then if you tell people that their tax increase will eliminate their monthly insurance premiums, what happens?

Universal health does not have wide support if you ask one more question, will you pay more taxes for it. Funding Israel has wide condemnation in your 25% and with the kkk. Most people don’t actually care. Sorry. They might answer a Facebook poll or some shit but they don’t vote that way , you’re deluded and once again not listening.

Here’s where you’re right but still too stupid to get what’s happening. Universal coverage will be ran by the same government that runs everything else we hate. It will run like shit and have no accountability. That’s off the top. I still think we have to do some version of it, but that’s the reality. What you’re completely deluded on is thinking your democrats will ever do it or even have an interest in doing it.they have had super majorities more than once and never even had a vote. They aren’t going to do it. Thats just Lucy with the football. Republicans will at least give tax breaks for it. That’s more than you’re getting from the other team and they’re honest about not wanting more than that at least.

Prozac. Try it.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Right. But then if you tell people that their tax increase will eliminate their monthly insurance premiums, what happens?

Ultimately fails at implementation

Single-payer healthcare meets its fate again in the face of California's massive budget deficit

The latest attempt to bring a single-payer healthcare system to California failed in the state Legislature on Thursday, undercut by its steep price tag as lawmakers struggle with a mounting budget shortfall.

www.latimes.com

Third Way

www.thirdway.org

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

not surprising whatsoever. they did absolutely nothing to hurt the racist and genocidal republican party when they had power, and now they tuck their dicks and cower in front of cheeto hitler. the democratic party will die just like labour is in the UK. people are sick of do-nothing status-quo elites soaking up our tax dollars

 

[Neph]

OECD estimates are below, which is total health spend per capita in PPP international dollars. Not inflation adjusted:

Health outcomes are a little out of date, only to 2017, but I wasn't inclined to spend a lot of time researching. You should get the idea:

 

[fingercuffs]

Yes and no. Germany and Japan already have employer based healthcare, UK have majority support more private healthcare, Canada's less than half satisfied with their HC and a majority want private options, and 1/3 of younger people said they'd be willing to travel to the US for healthcare.

Funding is less clear because it doesn't seem most people know how much less we pay in taxes. Polling for single payer in the US drops off a cliff when it comes to paying higher taxes and losing their private insurance, and other countries don't factor in paying less in taxes, and don't factor in their employer paying for most of it.

I upgraded to private healthcare for husband and I so if anything went wrong we'd have our own room rather than being on an NHS ward. Have a guess how much it cost per month?

 

[Siver!]

OECD estimates are below, which is total health spend per capita in PPP international dollars. Not inflation adjusted:

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10,447	10,853	11,916	12,197	12,555
6,602	6,708	7,022	7,582	8,049
6,290	6,418	6,946	7,518	8,011
6,495	6,476	6,582	7,043	7,898
5,482	5,644	6,198	6,785	7,358
5,519	5,625	5,864	6,690	7,275
5,351	5,424	5,509	6,022	6,600
5,191	5,127	5,692	6,226	6,596
5,097	5,163	5,453	6,106	6,517
5,419	5,388	5,734	6,228	6,438
5,292	5,380	5,628	6,274	6,436
5,337	5,223	5,879	6,278	6,319
5,307	5,360	5,697	6,372	6,280
3,913	4,250	4,469	4,921	6,061
4,877	4,976	5,378	5,861	6,047
4,330	4,384	4,615	5,252	5,676
4,188	4,389	4,998	5,467	5,493
4,236	4,318	4,632	5,107	5,314
4,554	4,611	4,620	4,899	5,251
3,067	3,291	3,590	4,189	4,570
3,129	3,272	3,804	4,303	4,499
3,427	3,528	3,716	4,087	4,462
3,496	3,565	3,753	4,043	4,291
3,13	3,224	3,355	3,830	4,162
3,045	3,222	3,474	3,885	4,114
2,397	2,682	2,878	3,336	3,58

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Health outcomes are a little out of date, only to 2017, but I wasn't inclined to spend a lot of time researching. You should get the idea:

Is that real?

I'd love to see such a graph by state.

I wonder how some US states compare to actual third world countries.

 

[Neph]

Is that real?

I'd love to see such a graph by state.

I wonder how some US states compare to actual third world countries.

I had to fix the post, if you scroll up it should be looking a lot better now. Apologies.

I'm not aware of what it looks like state by state but I imagine the inequality is extreme. America does have the best health care in the world, if you can afford it. That however is little comfort to the people that can't.