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[Unknown Pleasures]

whoever imports the goods pays for it. They then pass it down to customers. It’s not a tax. If I said or implied that the countries pay the tariffs, then I misspoke. Let me ask you this to prove my point-if a rich person buys a car imported from china and there is a tariff in place, do they not pay for it if the importer passes the cost down? Yes. The answer is yes, so it’s not a tax, it is a cost passed down from the seller. They don’t have to pass it down, they can simply choose to make less money on whatever they are selling, but with a sales tax, they have zero option but to charge that sales tax. Tariffs are not a tax

Yes, it's akin to a sales tax, not an income tax. But it's still a tax. You can stop trying to argue otherwise. It's beyond arrogant to think economists and governments the world over are wrong to categorize it as a tax, because they're not as enlightened as you are on this topic.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Biden pardons Hunter.
Huge surprise.
Lol

 

[UberHere]

Biden pardons Hunter.
Huge surprise.
Lol

I’m fine with that. He’d be an asshole not to.

 

[nhbbear]

you should probably look that up...

• A tariff or duty (the words are used interchangeably) is a tax levied by governments on the value including freight and insurance of imported products. Different tariffs applied on different products by different countries.

Import Tariffs & Fees Overview and Resources

Learn about a tariff or duty which is a tax levied by governments on the value including freight and insurance of imported products.

www.trade.gov

It’s not a tax placed directly on people. Period. Jack claims it is a tax on the middle and lower class and not the upper class

 

[AWilder]

It’s not a tax placed directly on people. Period. Jack claims it is a tax on the middle and lower class and not the upper class

it's effectively a tax on middle and lower classes because they are consumer classes. This aint rocket science my dude.

 

[nhbbear]

Yes, it's akin to a sales tax, not an income tax. But it's still a tax. You can stop trying to argue otherwise. It's beyond arrogant to think economists and governments the world over are wrong to categorize it as a tax, because they're not as enlightened as you are on this topic.

In the other thread, I said it’s like a sales tax but it is placed on everyone whereas jack claims it is only on the lower classes which is not correct

 

[nhbbear]

it's effectively a tax on middle and lower classes because they are consumer classes. This aint rocket science my dude.

However, if a rich person buys it, they are not paying the costs passed onto them?

 

[AWilder]

In the other thread, I said it’s like a sales tax but it is placed on everyone whereas jack claims it is only on the lower classes which is not correct

no, you aren't very good at understanding what Jack is saying. He said it impacts middle and lower classes more than upper classes because they spend more of their total pay on goods that have a tariff/tax imposed on them.

 

[AWilder]

However, if a rich person buys it, they are not paying the costs passed onto them?

I can't break this down any dumber my dude. work with me here.

 

[nhbbear]

no, you aren't very good at understanding what Jack is saying. He said it impacts middle and lower classes more than upper classes because they spend more of their total pay on goods that have a tariff/tax imposed on them.

No mate, he said it is a tax on the lower classes but not the rich

 

[AWilder]

No mate, he said it is a tax on the lower classes but not the rich

quote it. He did not say that tariffs would not impact the rich. He said that trump promises more tax breaks for the rich. Which will probably far outpace any effects of tariffs.

 

[Darkballs]

He absolutely exposed how the Biden Admin and the alphabet agencies pressured social media companies to censor doctors and users on Covid “misinformation”

Nah.

The Constitutional standard for infringing on the 1st Amendment is coercion. Requests to remove posts like Hunter's dick pics, of which half were ignored, can not be called coercion by anyone with an understanding of the word.

I'm more interested in the actual law, than your feelings.

 

[AWilder]

Wamhoff estimated that a 20% tariff on all imported goods, and a 60% tariff on imports from China, would cost a family among the poorest 20% of Americans $930 per year, while the middle 20% earning between $55,100 and $94,100 annually would pay an extra $3,370 per year.

The tariffs would cost a family in the richest 1% $42,050, but that figure would be more than compensated by the lower income and business taxes that Trump has proposed.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-trumps-tariffs-would-hit-poor-and-middle-class-americans-hardest-cb7ad9af

@nhbbear I don't think Jack made any arguments outside what this article is saying. It says the top 1% would pay an estimated $42k in tariff taxes, while working class 55-95k a year earners would pay 3.3k a year. Clearly 42K is higher than 3.3K.

Why is this more impactful to working class? lets work with the low numbers 55k = working class income, 1mil = 1% income.

3.3k/55k = 6% of working class income is going to pay tariff/tax that did not exist prior to Trump.

42k/1mil = 4.2% and this isn't adjusting for tax breaks the GOP/trump would like to provide this 1% earner.

6% of 55k is going to hurt a hell of a lot more than 4.2% of 1 mil. You can make your own opinion but it looks to me like the working class earners are getting fucked.

 

[Jack V Savage]

whoever imports the goods pays for it.

OK, so you've gotten off the false claim about other countries paying it. Progress!

They then pass it down to customers. It’s not a tax.

Wrong. It's a tax. And what you now want to do is look up tax incidence, and then specifically as it applies to tariffs (which are a type of tax).

 

[Jack V Savage]

It’s not a tax placed directly on people. Period. Jack claims it is a tax on the middle and lower class and not the upper class

No, Jack does not claim that. And Jack is still wondering why you think lying is the right move here, especially if, as you claim, you're not defending tariffs or Trump.

 

[Jack V Savage]

In the other thread, I said it’s like a sales tax but it is placed on everyone whereas jack claims it is only on the lower classes which is not correct

???

 

[Jack V Savage]

quote it. He did not say that tariffs would not impact the rich. He said that trump promises more tax breaks for the rich. Which will probably far outpace any effects of tariffs.

The total impact of Trump's proposed changes is a big tax cuts for the rich, funded with a combination of higher taxes for everyone else, benefit cuts, and higher deficits.

I think discussions would go a lot better if people just defended what they believe instead of feeling the need to hide tradeoffs or unpopular elements of their preferred program.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

 

[AWilder]

No, Jack does not claim that. And Jack is still wondering why you think lying is the right move here, especially if, as you claim, you're not defending tariffs or Trump.

Not sure if lying or stupid at this point.

 

[Scerpi]

Nah.

The Constitutional standard for infringing on the 1st Amendment is coercion. Requests to remove posts like Hunter's dick pics, of which half were ignored, can not be called coercion by anyone with an understanding of the word.

I'm more interested in the actual law, than your feelings.

Oh fuck off

They skirted the intent of the law by using private companies as their proxy, but they absolutely tried to censor opposition opinions

And who actually lied??



Oh @AWilder, I see your coward peanut gallery reaction

Yall might want to sweep this shameful behavior by the Feds under the rug, but must of us won’t forget

Oh yeah…