Dem debate tonight

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Tell me again how Bernie is a socialist?

Where has Bernie ever said anything like this? Please for the love of god someone that calls a Bernie a socialist, show me one statement where Bernie calls for government ownership of the means of production?

Show me where in Scandinavia there is a country that owns the means of production?

Well, looks like cut and pasting some definitions backfired on that guy.

 

[Throttlehead]

Both Socialism and Progressivism use government power to control economic outcomes. The methods they use, however, are different. Socialism, strictly speaking, involves the government’s ownership of the means of production in a society. In a socialist economy, there are no private corporations that manufacture goods. All factories and companies belong to the state. Progressivism, by contrast, allows private ownership and control of corporations and manufacturing (thus a private economy and markets), although it does subject them to extensive government administration mostly through heavy regulation as well as other controls.


where are you?

Here is a good line from Good Will Hunting that applies to a guy like you.

Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us- you have any thoughts of- of your own on this matter? Or do- is that your thing, you come into a forum, you read some obscure passage and then you pretend- you pawn it off as your own- your own idea just to impress some posters? Embarrass my friend?



Here is your source apparently http://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?t=18283&start=15 that then shows heritage.org as their source.

 

[m52nickerson]

socialist, communist, marxist, ultimately whats the difference

The internet is great for reading up on things like that. Perhaps after enlightening yourself you will understand why Sanders is not a Socialist.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Here is a good line from Good Will Hunting that applies to a guy like you.

Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us- you have any thoughts of- of your own on this matter? Or do- is that your thing, you come into a forum, you read some obscure passage and then you pretend- you pawn it off as your own- your own idea just to impress some posters? Embarrass my friend?



Here is your source apparently http://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?t=18283&start=15 that then shows heritage.org as their source.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Here is a good line from Good Will Hunting that applies to a guy like you.

Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us- you have any thoughts of- of your own on this matter? Or do- is that your thing, you come into a forum, you read some obscure passage and then you pretend- you pawn it off as your own- your own idea just to impress some posters? Embarrass my friend?



Here is your source apparently http://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?t=18283&start=15 that then shows heritage.org as their source.

Oh shit. I don't think we'll see Second Sight back here after this.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No. I said FDR valued some ideas which can be argued to be socialistic. Huge difference between that and full on socialism or state socialism. My main point however is Sanders routinely identified himself as a Socialist and was affiliated and attracted to International socialist workers parties especially at a time in which this country despite haVing socialistic policies was largely ideological opposed to further efforts of 'socialism'.

Yeah, I don't really get Bernie supporters being mad that Bernie is called a "socialist" (I get socialists being mad about it). He calls himself that. He's not one, but he does embrace the label. More and more Americans are cool with it, too, though on balance, I think it's a political liability. Note, though, that his campaign is probably making it even more acceptable, and even if he loses, that will have an impact going forward.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

I'm done for today

You got owned, son.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Whoever told Hillary Clinton that a banana Kimono was a good look, needs to be slapped.

She looked like the offspring of an owl fucking a green apple

 

[toph]

Captain Kirk called, and he wants his pajamas back.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

For his time, FDR was waaaaaay farther left than Sanders. You can't just say he "valued some ideas which can be argued to be socialistic" and expect any person with an inkling of historical knowledge to be rebuffed. He introduced positive socialist variants to American policy in a huge way and did so to some acclaim.

I'm going to start digging for the information but I'm pretty sure FDR buried a real socialist that was running for office.

The right likes to paint FDR and many social welfare programs as Socialist but isn't real socialism communal ownership of the means of productions? Social safety nets and welfare programs are more of a capitalistic safeguard against a socialist movement.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

They aren't coming back as long as they can pay their slaves pennies on the dollar. Might as well tax them for all their worth.

 

[Fatt Hughes]

Huma don't hug the peasants.

 

[Jack V Savage]

For his time, FDR was waaaaaay farther left than Sanders. You can't just say he "valued some ideas which can be argued to be socialistic" and expect any person with an inkling of historical knowledge to be rebuffed. He introduced positive socialist variants to American policy in a huge way and did so to some acclaim.

There was a major, legitimate socialist movement in America during FDR's time, and it looked like capitalism was dying. He supported some half measures to save the system, and was hated by the left in his time (and described himself as "a little left of center"). He's remembered fondly by the left today because he was effective at implementing reforms that the left liked (and later expanded) and because those reforms became nearly universally liked, but he wasn't pulling American politics to the left.

 

[COTUR1@43]

Didn't watch the debate, but have heard sound clips/bites. The one that stood out to me was when Bernie said, "You're not in the white house yet Mrs. Clinton" Bernie either really knows he can't win or doesn't want to win and knows he will eventually have to support Hillary. His whole campaign is just to push Hillary more to the left and hope she wins and then moves the country even more left than she would have if he hadn't ran against her.

 

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Didn't watch the debate, but have heard sound clips/bites. The one that stood out to me was when Bernie said, "You're not in the white house yet Mrs. Clinton" Bernie either really knows he can't win or doesn't want to win and knows he will eventually have to support Hillary. His whole campaign is just to push Hillary more to the left and hope she wins and then moves the country even more left than she would have if he hadn't ran against her.

Lol no. That was a pre crafted zinger, designed to poke fun at the 'inevitability' of her coronation, he just unleashed it at an awkward time.

If he was truly just running to pull her to the left he wouldn't say things like that.

 

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Yeah, I don't really get Bernie supporters being mad that Bernie is called a "socialist" (I get socialists being mad about it). He calls himself that. He's not one, but he does embrace the label. More and more Americans are cool with it, too, though on balance, I think it's a political liability. Note, though, that his campaign is probably making it even more acceptable, and even if he loses, that will have an impact going forward.

I think by owning it it will be less of a liability than letting the opponents bring it up like a secret he wanted left under the rug.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

For his time, FDR was waaaaaay farther left than Sanders. You can't just say he "valued some ideas which can be argued to be socialistic" and expect any person with an inkling of historical knowledge to be rebuffed. He introduced positive socialist variants to American policy in a huge way and did so to some acclaim.

It's a yes and no situation.

FDR was a democratic-socialist in a time when there were actual socialists politically involved. So he was to the right of the most left political current of his time.

Bernie is a democratic-socialist in a time when there are no socialists around and being democratic-socialist is as far left as you can get. But at the same time, FDR's policies were probably more "revolutionary" for their time than Bernie's are right now. I mean, Bernie's proposing stuff that other developed countries have had for 60 years.

 

[second sight]

Here is a good line from Good Will Hunting that applies to a guy like you.

Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us- you have any thoughts of- of your own on this matter? Or do- is that your thing, you come into a forum, you read some obscure passage and then you pretend- you pawn it off as your own- your own idea just to impress some posters? Embarrass my friend?



Here is your source apparently http://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?t=18283&start=15 that then shows heritage.org as their source.

37, 57, and the quote you referenced all contained parts of articles out of websites I pasted

the merger did away with the quote option from inserted text, I ask a handful of times how to do it, evidently its gone

we were talking about the difference between progressives and socialist, (hillary states she's a progressive, bernie says he's a socialist) hands or whoever quoted it said based off the definition he's a progressive


the quote I posted is the definition. thats not some fucking revolution or knowledge I was trying to pass on, it was a definition ....and accurate one

 

[second sight]

all last night I made claims and was ask by a handful of posters to back them up, thats exactly what I did

people voting for this fool don't even know he calls himself a socialist or that he's ok with a 87-90% tax rate, I back up every claim I made with a source from different websites

 

[Hog-train]

all last night I made claims and was ask by a handful of posters to back them up, thats exactly what I did

people voting for this fool don't even know he calls himself a socialist or that he's ok with a 87-90% tax rate, I back up every claim I made with a source from different websites

Sanders never said he supports a 90% tax rate. He just said that's what it was back in the day under Eisenhower.

You're just making sh*t up basically.

“We haven’t come up with an exact number yet” for the top tax rate “but it will not be as high as the number under Dwight D. Eisenhower, which was 90 percent.”