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I would never buy Fight Soap, given that they choose to advertise their product like this. Compare that to how Defense Soap advertises.
Defense Soap.. worth it?
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I would never buy Fight Soap, given that they choose to advertise their product like this. Compare that to how Defense Soap advertises.
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Yeah undiluted tea tree oil can be a major skin irritant and can end up being counter productive.
More is not always better. There is such a thing as therapeutic range.
I like the blend in Defense's products, been using it for a while and have been mostly problem free.
I did catch ringworm one time a small area on my finger that manifested about two days after a training session where I rolled with someone who had a large spot of active ringworm on his upper arm that I did not know about. He was covering it with a compression sleeve.
I treated it with a topical antifungal and it was dead and fading out within 48 hours of treatment.
The poor sap I caught it from though did everything wrong and it ended up being a 3 month ordeal for him. Aside from the obvious cardinal mistake of trying to hide it and keep training he continued (despite asking my advice after I told him I cleared mine in 48 hours and that I believed I caught it from him) to A) put undiluted bleach on the infection site instead of using a basic antifungal, eventually creating a wound and then a chemical burn in the wound bed in addition to the fungal infection. B) even though I insisted he stay off the mat and stop covering the infection so that it could air out he would continually come in with a compression sleeve on his arm that basically held all of his sweat on the site leaving a dark moist warm environment for the fungus to keep growing in.
More is not always better. There is such a thing as therapeutic range.
I like the blend in Defense's products, been using it for a while and have been mostly problem free.
I did catch ringworm one time a small area on my finger that manifested about two days after a training session where I rolled with someone who had a large spot of active ringworm on his upper arm that I did not know about. He was covering it with a compression sleeve.
I treated it with a topical antifungal and it was dead and fading out within 48 hours of treatment.
The poor sap I caught it from though did everything wrong and it ended up being a 3 month ordeal for him. Aside from the obvious cardinal mistake of trying to hide it and keep training he continued (despite asking my advice after I told him I cleared mine in 48 hours and that I believed I caught it from him) to A) put undiluted bleach on the infection site instead of using a basic antifungal, eventually creating a wound and then a chemical burn in the wound bed in addition to the fungal infection. B) even though I insisted he stay off the mat and stop covering the infection so that it could air out he would continually come in with a compression sleeve on his arm that basically held all of his sweat on the site leaving a dark moist warm environment for the fungus to keep growing in.
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I have posted this before but I don't think we can ever post this too much.
Here is our list of prevention tips. Hope it helps.
We all know that wrestlers and fighters are special athletes. Along with being special athletes come special needs. Staying healthy and free from infections is one of these needs.
The most important step we can take toward preventing and curing skin infections is to educate ourselves. Once we are properly educated we can begin to lay a solid foundation, brick by brick, for healthy, infection tolerant skin.
Skin infections are caused by three different sources:
1. Fungus (most common is Tinea)
--Causes ringworm, jock itch, athlete’s foot, and infected nails
2. Bacteria
--Causes Staph, impetigo and MRSA
3. Virus
--Causes Herpes and warts
Our skin surface is made up of our own unique balance of these three sources. This is called our normal flora. When our flora is out of balance and/or our skin becomes damaged. These sources have a chance to become infections.
Showering immediately after practice sounds like a simple enough way to prevent skin infections, but did you know that if you go straight to the shower and use an antibacterial soap only, you are promoting the growth of fungal infections?
--Antibacterial soaps do just what they state- they kill bacteria. This is great when we
want to protect ourselves from just bacterial infections. This is not great when we
are also exposed to fungal and viral infections.
--Antibacterial soaps strip away the bacteria that keep the balance of our normal flora
leaving behind fungal and viral infections to flourish. The bacterium on your skin
are needed to compete for space with the fungi and viruses to create your normal
flora.
--Antibacterial soaps commonly use Triclosan as their active ingredient. Triclosan is
an FDA approved pesticide that some studies show is absorbed through our skin.
Showering tips for wrestlers and fighters:
--Do not lather directly under the flow of water. Allow soap to remain on skin
momentarily.
--Use a loofa (mesh sponge) but not too vigorously. Vigorous scrubbing will cause
small abrasions to the surface of the skin allowing penetration by the sources of
infection.
--Wash the back of the neck and hairline thoroughly. The Collar Tie is responsible
for the over abundance of skin infections found here. Our hands touch everything
in the wrestling room including the mats, our bodies, our opponent’s body and
anything else you might pick up. Everything collected by our hands is transferred
to the back of our opponent’s neck. Wash this area twice.
--Wear shower shoes. Athlete’s foot is caused by the same Tinea (fungus) that causes
ringworm.
--Do not share towels and wash towels after each use.
--Dry off thoroughly.
--Wear loose fitting clothes to allow your skin to breath.
We also need to protect ourselves on the mats. We all know that the mats are a battlefield. They are a place we go to compete or to train and prepare for competition.
Part of this preparation and training should include proper hygiene. Here are a few tips that can help in the room.
--Carry your shoes to practice. When leaving the room for water or bathroom breaks
wipe your shoes before entering back into the room. Shoes can be wiped on a towel
dampened with solution from your bucket of mat cleaner. Wet the towel in the
bucket before cleaning the mats.
--Fighters who train barefoot should never walk on the floor without proper foot
coverings. The foot coverings should always be removed before entering the mats
or ring.
--Change your shirt often during practice. Once a shirt becomes soaked in sweat it
becomes permeable. Your sweat becomes a vehicle for infections to pass through
your clothing and onto your skin.
--Wear a thick cotton t-shirt or clothing made of synthetic fibers that "wick" the sweat
away from the body, helping to keep the skin dry.
--When sitting on the wall do not play with the mats. Wrestlers often lean with their
backs against the wall with their hands at their sides touching the edges of the mats
along the wall. Take a look at what is in between the wall and the edge of the mat.
When was the last time this area was cleaned and when was the last time your wall
mats were cleaned?
--Do not train with partners who have skin infections and do not train if you yourself
are infected.
--Cover and treat any trauma to the skin including, cuts, scrapes, and new tattoos.
New tattoos are the product of the skin being pierced literally thousands of times.
Always apply an antibiotic ointment or healing slave before covering for added
protection. Of course this is going to fall of during training and will have to be
recovered.
--When leaving the room always, always, always, consider yourself contaminated-
because you are. Shower immediately and properly. If a shower is not available
use a body wipe to hold you over until you can shower.
Having a clean room is also a necessity but a clean room is more then just mopping the mats. There are many more surfaces that we come in contact with other than floor mats.
Consider cleaning the following:
--Wall mats.
--Takedown dummies. (Remove the clothing and launder it and wipe down vinyl
surfaces.)
--Throw dummies.
--Crash pads or throw mats.
--Fighters, wipe down your bags, bag gloves and your hands after wearing bag gloves.
--Fungi like to live in damp and dark places. Make your room light and dry. A
dehumidifier can pull moisture out of your room.
Battling skin infections is more then just topical. Diet can play a huge role in how healthy our skin is and healthy skin is harder to infect. Here are a few diet and skin care tips:
--Keep your blood sugars under control. Aim for blood sugars of 80 mg/dl to
120 mg/dl before meals, and 100 mg/dl to 140 mg/dl at bedtime.
--Keep your Hemoglobin A1c at 7% or less (a 3 month average blood sugar test).
This prevents dry skin.
--Drink eight glasses of water a day. Of course when cutting weight we all would love
to have eight glasses of water however we just cannot do this. Applying lotion to
the skin will help keep it moist.
--Eat whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables and small amounts of lean protein
rather then sugary or fat laden foods. Keep a balanced diet even when cutting
back.
--Rest to increase your body’s resistance. You will catch infections easier if you
are worn down.
Once infected, proper care is required to rid you of the infection and promote healing.
--Do not touch the infection. Wash your hands immediately if you do touch an
infection.
--Consult your trainer or physician with all possible infections. The sooner you treat
an infection the less established it will be. The infection will be easier to clear up,
creating less damage to the skin.
--Use medicine completely and as recommended. The infection may still be present
even though it may not be visible.
--Use the proper medication for each infection. Using the wrong medicine my make
the infection worse. An example of this is using cortisone creams on fugal
infections which help fungus grow.
Many of us train for hours a day for competition, some are coaches and some just want to stay in shape. Whatever reason we have to be on the mat or in the ring, we all share the common threat of skin infections. Preventing, treating and curing skin infections can be made easier with a little education on the topic.
Guy Sako
Defense Soap LLC
216-255-8748
www.DefenseSoap.com
Here is our list of prevention tips. Hope it helps.
We all know that wrestlers and fighters are special athletes. Along with being special athletes come special needs. Staying healthy and free from infections is one of these needs.
The most important step we can take toward preventing and curing skin infections is to educate ourselves. Once we are properly educated we can begin to lay a solid foundation, brick by brick, for healthy, infection tolerant skin.
Skin infections are caused by three different sources:
1. Fungus (most common is Tinea)
--Causes ringworm, jock itch, athlete’s foot, and infected nails
2. Bacteria
--Causes Staph, impetigo and MRSA
3. Virus
--Causes Herpes and warts
Our skin surface is made up of our own unique balance of these three sources. This is called our normal flora. When our flora is out of balance and/or our skin becomes damaged. These sources have a chance to become infections.
Showering immediately after practice sounds like a simple enough way to prevent skin infections, but did you know that if you go straight to the shower and use an antibacterial soap only, you are promoting the growth of fungal infections?
--Antibacterial soaps do just what they state- they kill bacteria. This is great when we
want to protect ourselves from just bacterial infections. This is not great when we
are also exposed to fungal and viral infections.
--Antibacterial soaps strip away the bacteria that keep the balance of our normal flora
leaving behind fungal and viral infections to flourish. The bacterium on your skin
are needed to compete for space with the fungi and viruses to create your normal
flora.
--Antibacterial soaps commonly use Triclosan as their active ingredient. Triclosan is
an FDA approved pesticide that some studies show is absorbed through our skin.
Showering tips for wrestlers and fighters:
--Do not lather directly under the flow of water. Allow soap to remain on skin
momentarily.
--Use a loofa (mesh sponge) but not too vigorously. Vigorous scrubbing will cause
small abrasions to the surface of the skin allowing penetration by the sources of
infection.
--Wash the back of the neck and hairline thoroughly. The Collar Tie is responsible
for the over abundance of skin infections found here. Our hands touch everything
in the wrestling room including the mats, our bodies, our opponent’s body and
anything else you might pick up. Everything collected by our hands is transferred
to the back of our opponent’s neck. Wash this area twice.
--Wear shower shoes. Athlete’s foot is caused by the same Tinea (fungus) that causes
ringworm.
--Do not share towels and wash towels after each use.
--Dry off thoroughly.
--Wear loose fitting clothes to allow your skin to breath.
We also need to protect ourselves on the mats. We all know that the mats are a battlefield. They are a place we go to compete or to train and prepare for competition.
Part of this preparation and training should include proper hygiene. Here are a few tips that can help in the room.
--Carry your shoes to practice. When leaving the room for water or bathroom breaks
wipe your shoes before entering back into the room. Shoes can be wiped on a towel
dampened with solution from your bucket of mat cleaner. Wet the towel in the
bucket before cleaning the mats.
--Fighters who train barefoot should never walk on the floor without proper foot
coverings. The foot coverings should always be removed before entering the mats
or ring.
--Change your shirt often during practice. Once a shirt becomes soaked in sweat it
becomes permeable. Your sweat becomes a vehicle for infections to pass through
your clothing and onto your skin.
--Wear a thick cotton t-shirt or clothing made of synthetic fibers that "wick" the sweat
away from the body, helping to keep the skin dry.
--When sitting on the wall do not play with the mats. Wrestlers often lean with their
backs against the wall with their hands at their sides touching the edges of the mats
along the wall. Take a look at what is in between the wall and the edge of the mat.
When was the last time this area was cleaned and when was the last time your wall
mats were cleaned?
--Do not train with partners who have skin infections and do not train if you yourself
are infected.
--Cover and treat any trauma to the skin including, cuts, scrapes, and new tattoos.
New tattoos are the product of the skin being pierced literally thousands of times.
Always apply an antibiotic ointment or healing slave before covering for added
protection. Of course this is going to fall of during training and will have to be
recovered.
--When leaving the room always, always, always, consider yourself contaminated-
because you are. Shower immediately and properly. If a shower is not available
use a body wipe to hold you over until you can shower.
Having a clean room is also a necessity but a clean room is more then just mopping the mats. There are many more surfaces that we come in contact with other than floor mats.
Consider cleaning the following:
--Wall mats.
--Takedown dummies. (Remove the clothing and launder it and wipe down vinyl
surfaces.)
--Throw dummies.
--Crash pads or throw mats.
--Fighters, wipe down your bags, bag gloves and your hands after wearing bag gloves.
--Fungi like to live in damp and dark places. Make your room light and dry. A
dehumidifier can pull moisture out of your room.
Battling skin infections is more then just topical. Diet can play a huge role in how healthy our skin is and healthy skin is harder to infect. Here are a few diet and skin care tips:
--Keep your blood sugars under control. Aim for blood sugars of 80 mg/dl to
120 mg/dl before meals, and 100 mg/dl to 140 mg/dl at bedtime.
--Keep your Hemoglobin A1c at 7% or less (a 3 month average blood sugar test).
This prevents dry skin.
--Drink eight glasses of water a day. Of course when cutting weight we all would love
to have eight glasses of water however we just cannot do this. Applying lotion to
the skin will help keep it moist.
--Eat whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables and small amounts of lean protein
rather then sugary or fat laden foods. Keep a balanced diet even when cutting
back.
--Rest to increase your body’s resistance. You will catch infections easier if you
are worn down.
Once infected, proper care is required to rid you of the infection and promote healing.
--Do not touch the infection. Wash your hands immediately if you do touch an
infection.
--Consult your trainer or physician with all possible infections. The sooner you treat
an infection the less established it will be. The infection will be easier to clear up,
creating less damage to the skin.
--Use medicine completely and as recommended. The infection may still be present
even though it may not be visible.
--Use the proper medication for each infection. Using the wrong medicine my make
the infection worse. An example of this is using cortisone creams on fugal
infections which help fungus grow.
Many of us train for hours a day for competition, some are coaches and some just want to stay in shape. Whatever reason we have to be on the mat or in the ring, we all share the common threat of skin infections. Preventing, treating and curing skin infections can be made easier with a little education on the topic.
Guy Sako
Defense Soap LLC
216-255-8748
www.DefenseSoap.com
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Hatashita is our Canadian distributor.
http://www.hatashita.com/productcart/pc/Preventative-Care-c149.htm
Guy
Defense Soap
Wow, quick response, thanks!
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To be honest I'm not willing to find out the hard way. I have been using Defense Soap for years. I caught ringworm once at a local gym and started using since then. I train at 3 gyms and have not had an issue since. I also have enough faith in the product that I asked them to sponsor the tournament I am hosting. I used to work in retail and I was terrible at it because I can't endorse things I don't believe in but when I believe in a product I turn into Billy Mays!
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Looks like Fight soap is run by a 16 year old virgin.
never tried defense, but i've had great success with dr bronner's tea tree and eucalyptus soaps. never had a skin issue, and i use it every day. would be willing to try defense, but i have a big stockpile of bronner's at the moment 
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What about the Netherlands?
I'm not selling my soap but it doesn't cause me any problems.
I'm pointing out that other OTC soaps contain more and all the tests I've seen showing an effect of skin preparations containing TTO use a lot more than 1 percent.
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We currently are in negotiations with a European BJJ company that will be bringing Defense Soap to Europe by ocean cargo. This is huge because we now can offer our entire line adorably to our European customers.
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I do not want to misspeak. I will have to talk to some people to get the exact answer. This starts to go beyond me honestly.
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Sounds good!
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My feelings exactly. I understand skepticism but some of the attacks are crazy. It is high priced, so are vitamins that you pee out most of the time.
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Defense soap has supported grappling in the past and Im sure probably still does. I have no problem paying a little extra to someone who is giving back to the sport I love.
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Looking for any feedback on the samples we sent.
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