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MyBodyHurts
We obviously are not schoolyard kids. I do not need to have the last word to feel I have won. I ask that you remain in the debate. I have received a number of emails from people who have read our discussion who have informed me that have learned from it. Mission accomplished for me. It takes two to debate therefore I ask to stick around.
I see no further need to discuss the price. Our price is $27.50 for a five pack. If someone buys my soap and resells it for $34.96 it has nothing to do with me. You might want to blast the reseller not me. It would be like you buying a soda at a ball game for $4.50 and complaining that the soda company is robbing you when in fact it is the reseller. Anyone knows it is the ballpark not the soda company making the profit.
Let’s move to the study. What is troublesome is that you cannot grasp in the words that you used this “simplistic research”. If nothing else I want you to be able to understand this. The fact that we incubated the plates for 7 to 10 days illustrates that where there was Defense Soap there was no growth. No one every suggested, implied or recommended that you leave the soap on your skin for 7 to 10 days. It simply shows that where Defense Soap is there was no growth. Where Defense Soap was not present there was growth. It took 7 to 10 days to allow the growth to consume the entire dish except for where the soap had landed. If we concluded our research after 5 minutes as if we were taking a shower I can guarantee there would be no growth at all. All that would prove is that we did not provide ample incubation time. I am not sure how to make this much clearer. This test was not a comparison to other soaps. It was a test to determine if Defense Soap had antimicrobial properties. You are the one attempting to introduce a comparison to other soaps with a study that was not intended for such a comparison. You are 100% correct when you say it is the TTO that is killing that fungus. That would be why I put it in my soap. What is there not to understand here?
As for Dr. Bell…his number is on the study and he can be contacted anytime if you have questions regarding his work or resume. This link is from Fight Magazine where Dr. Bell discusses skin infections. http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-magazine/13056-235/
As far as this comment goes “I wouldn't tell someone they are a fool to their face…” I was raised that if you can’t or won’t say something to someone’s face, don’t say it at all. This simply shows the difference in our character and is not really debatable therefore I am not going to address this point.
And finally about our disclaimer. This is called being FDA compliant and responsible. I ask you to stop and ponder this thought for one moment. If I wanted to be approved by the FDA why didn’t I simply put Triclosan in my soap as an antibacterial. I developed Defense Soap through my own research. I chose ingredients that are not only antibacterial and antifungal but also ingredients that are safe and healthy. I could have easily followed the crowd and used Triclosan but after reading the side effects of this FDA approved pesticide I could not bring myself to use it. Ten years later Triclosan is now under fire. Where was the FDA when I was doing the research? Do you honestly think that if I discovered this by using a google search that the FDA didn’t already know this? Why did it take 10 years for this to come to light?
I look forward to your response,
Guy
Defense Soap
We obviously are not schoolyard kids. I do not need to have the last word to feel I have won. I ask that you remain in the debate. I have received a number of emails from people who have read our discussion who have informed me that have learned from it. Mission accomplished for me. It takes two to debate therefore I ask to stick around.
I see no further need to discuss the price. Our price is $27.50 for a five pack. If someone buys my soap and resells it for $34.96 it has nothing to do with me. You might want to blast the reseller not me. It would be like you buying a soda at a ball game for $4.50 and complaining that the soda company is robbing you when in fact it is the reseller. Anyone knows it is the ballpark not the soda company making the profit.
Let’s move to the study. What is troublesome is that you cannot grasp in the words that you used this “simplistic research”. If nothing else I want you to be able to understand this. The fact that we incubated the plates for 7 to 10 days illustrates that where there was Defense Soap there was no growth. No one every suggested, implied or recommended that you leave the soap on your skin for 7 to 10 days. It simply shows that where Defense Soap is there was no growth. Where Defense Soap was not present there was growth. It took 7 to 10 days to allow the growth to consume the entire dish except for where the soap had landed. If we concluded our research after 5 minutes as if we were taking a shower I can guarantee there would be no growth at all. All that would prove is that we did not provide ample incubation time. I am not sure how to make this much clearer. This test was not a comparison to other soaps. It was a test to determine if Defense Soap had antimicrobial properties. You are the one attempting to introduce a comparison to other soaps with a study that was not intended for such a comparison. You are 100% correct when you say it is the TTO that is killing that fungus. That would be why I put it in my soap. What is there not to understand here?
As for Dr. Bell…his number is on the study and he can be contacted anytime if you have questions regarding his work or resume. This link is from Fight Magazine where Dr. Bell discusses skin infections. http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-magazine/13056-235/
As far as this comment goes “I wouldn't tell someone they are a fool to their face…” I was raised that if you can’t or won’t say something to someone’s face, don’t say it at all. This simply shows the difference in our character and is not really debatable therefore I am not going to address this point.
And finally about our disclaimer. This is called being FDA compliant and responsible. I ask you to stop and ponder this thought for one moment. If I wanted to be approved by the FDA why didn’t I simply put Triclosan in my soap as an antibacterial. I developed Defense Soap through my own research. I chose ingredients that are not only antibacterial and antifungal but also ingredients that are safe and healthy. I could have easily followed the crowd and used Triclosan but after reading the side effects of this FDA approved pesticide I could not bring myself to use it. Ten years later Triclosan is now under fire. Where was the FDA when I was doing the research? Do you honestly think that if I discovered this by using a google search that the FDA didn’t already know this? Why did it take 10 years for this to come to light?
I look forward to your response,
Guy
Defense Soap
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