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I've had good success with it. If my opponent has cloth on their ass that I can grab, I don't know why i would bother doing it the clasped hands way.
Stupid simple, but effective. Would it work vs. the belt grip/elbow in the back of the head variation, though? If the opponent keeps your head buried, I mean.
Again, by no means am I saying this double under counter doesnt work; just that when dudes try it on me, I long step and it works
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I play a ton of butterfly but I would not try to use my butterfly hook in that situation because you have no leverage and range to follow the longstep.
Instead, as I mentioned before, you gotta latch onto that belt and hip switch hard into the guy. If you can stay tight to the belt you are okay IMO. Think of it as a switch v. reswitch battle. The biggest goal is to be the guy who gets ahead of the other guy and gets a tight back control.
Generally speaking I don't like to have both legs on one side like that as I don't think it's that great of a position unless you have the arm locked up. Much more typically I will try to counter that low double underhook by pulling my other foot back and going into a crucifix type scenario. Then, as a late defense, I will do the ATOS roll (although you have to make sure your hips are out for that).
Question on the counter:
Why does the guy getting passed not follow your long step up with his butterfly hook? I'd have to feel the position to get a better idea, but it looks to me like that butterfly hook should be kept sticky and just follow the leg up to go for a sweep.
All of the guys I know who play a lot of butterfly hook bait the longstep actually. If you step away from the hook, they follow you right up with a sticky hook, get underneath you, and sweep. The key to passing them is to do the opposite -- smash the hook down and go to the other side.
Because when someone is sitting on their ass and extending their legs out, the height they can raise their hook is drastically lower than I can longstep. In addition, there is not enough leverage to even impede my longstep because the only thing giving leverage is a single sleeve grip, in which I have a dominant grip on his pants.
You do not want to try to smash when they switch, it compounds the pressure and pins your shoulder down, which will give them the only hope they have to sweep. Against a normal butterfly hook, yes absolutely smash. Against a guy with his legs extended sitting on his ass, just long step. This is why you will never see a person try butterfly guard by extending their legs straight out low to the ground.
Yeah I could see height issues when the hook legs are extended. I am a little taller for my weight class, so usually my legs are kind of bent even in that position. I guess I don't stretch out very far when I get the hooks in for the reason you cited. If I stretch out too far, the guy will step over.
I also keep one hook on each side like normal instead of doing the move as shown. Once my butt is to the ground there, I figure I am safe and will just work to attack an arm. Also the Peruvian Neck Tie is there sometimes.
This is my exact point. You give up a longstep and a shuck when you put both legs on one side and extend.
The way you defend is the way almost everyone defends. I developed my best pass by passing against this defense. It works perfectly when they try to Peruvian or guillotine/ or underhook.
What pass do you like to work from there?