Deconstructing MMA Myths... [Part 35] - The Samurai, The Missin´ Link in BJJ Evolution...

[gono btw]

I also don't like the (false) belief that teh Gracies "opened the world's eyes" about grappling
-Judo
-Luta Livre
-Jiu Jitsu
-Catch As Catch Can
-Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling
And probably many more regional styles of grappling
BJJ is 'easy' to learn (not easy to master) and UFC 1 was also a promotion for teh Gracies and their style

 

[gevoudane]

All pre-UFC

Shooto was brought to America in the late 1980s by top student of Satoru Sayama, Yorinaga Nakamura. He began teaching Shooto at the Inosanto Academy in 1991, and is the instructor of Erik Paulson, Ron Balicki, Dan Inosanto, Larry Hartsell, and many others.

CV Productions, Inc. was the first grass roots movement to develop mixed martial arts into a modern American sport in 1980 (although the term MMA was not used at the time). Popular promotions such as the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) were not held until 1993

The World Martial Arts Fighting Association (WMAFA) sanctioned all CV Productions events and was the first regulatory body for mixed martial arts in the United States.

The Hayastan MMA Academy opened in 1991.

 

[Natural Order]

Awesome read mate. The history of this shit goes WAY further back than 1993.

 

[mkt]

It is essential to look at the big picture, tho: bigger than their ambition, the main ambition was to build a new market.

Nope. I absolutely showed that this is narrative is true: "The narrative (especially among losers, obviously) @ UFC 1 was that them Gracies had an [unfair] advantage since they supposedly did all they could to 'hide' their 'new' skill set."

No one besides Royce in the early UFCs knew anything about BJJ, and that was by design. To say anything else is a lie. Some Brazilians (like Marco Ruas) knew, but they weren't invited for a reason. It's also possible that Oleg Takarov (who won a similar Russian tournament the same year), Gokor or others could have been invited, but they weren't...again by design.

/thread. No TLDR needed!

 

[Dark Individual]

What a shit thread just like all your shit myth threads that nobody cares about

Spoiler

 

[Dark Individual]

How does gono btw have over 10K posts when his account is only a year and a half old?

And I thought I spent too much time on here...

He is a broke ass jobless loser, here look at this he even admitted to it

 

[gono btw]

Nope. I absolutely showed that this is narrative is true: "The narrative (especially among losers, obviously) @ UFC 1 was that them Gracies had an [unfair] advantage since they supposedly did all they could to 'hide' their 'new' skill set."

No one besides Royce in the early UFCs knew anything about BJJ, and that was by design. To say anything else is a lie. Some Brazilians (like Marco Ruas) knew, but they weren't invited for a reason. It's also possible that Oleg Takarov (who won a similar Russian tournament the same year), Gokor or others could have been invited, but they weren't...again by design.

/thread. No TLDR needed!

hmmm...nah...ya simply didnt understand this thread.

The angle studied here is not strictly about UFC 1, but rather about the missed opportunity: had Ivan´s work been acknowledged in 1976, his students then (in New Japan Pro-Wrestling or not) would have developped/worked on this new skill set, and it would have reached...Pancrase.

On a side note, the Luta Livre & samboists situations were already discussed in that other Decons:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-18-the-genesis-of-ufc-1´s-roster.3855847/

That other angle has nuthin´2 to do with the current topic here.

 

[Mike K.O]

Vale Tudo is a pretty specific Fight Configuration, and historically what happened in the US b4 UFC 1 can hardly be considered a traditional Vale Tudo one, realistically.

There was a UFC type tournament in the late 70s...you can find news coverage of it on YouTube. It was just some one-night local thing in Ohio or somewhere. It looked like the wrestlers did pretty well, but obviously no one made a sport out of it. There was also a Gene Lebell vs. a boxer match in the 1960s. But there was anything organized or developed like Vale Tudo in the U.S.

Thanks

 

[Beans & Cornbread]

Vale Tudo is a pretty specific Fight Configuration, and historically what happened in the US b4 UFC 1 can hardly be considered a traditional Vale Tudo one, realistically.

There was shootfighting and sambo in the US in the early 90s around the time of UFC1. It just didnt catch on like UFC. The UFC had better mass appeal with its marketing. Westerners that were involved with UWF and later Pancrase brought those concepts to the states where regional orgs sprung up and fizzled out.

 

[gono btw]

There was shootfighting and sambo in the US in the early 90s around the time of UFC1. It just didnt catch on like UFC. The UFC had better mass appeal with its marketing. American fighters that did Pancrase brought that back to the US too. Regionally there were organizations that tried and failed to establish themselves.

hmmm..yeah, the other poster was askin´about Vale Tudo Fight Configuration.

 

[Beans & Cornbread]

hmmm..yeah, the other poster was askin´about Vale Tudo Fight Configuration.

My bad, I dont know why I thought the convo drifted to other MMA pre/during UFC 1. Im just surprised many people think UFC was the start of MMA.

 

[gono btw]

Awesome read mate. The history of this shit goes WAY further back than 1993.

 

[gono btw]

Side note:
Ironically, despite Carlson´s hespect, Ivan´s brother, José, recently informed that them Gracies (through the CBJJ Federation) were still boycottin´ the Ivan BJJ style Federation (located in North-East Brazil, Recife) [15 Gyms]...

 

[gono btw]

An interestin´ statement by his brother José Gomes:

“He didn’t learn anything there, with Carlson. Reality is, he taught them a whole lot
People often ask me if we learned from the Gracies. I always say, everything we know came
from the Japanese. Geo Omori, Takeo Yano, the Ono brothers, etc. Carlos and Helio didn’t invent a thing.
The best Gracie out there was George, by a landslide. He left the Gracies to train mainly under Yano,
and the Ono brothers. He was the true family champion.”