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Pankratard here,
I've almost finished my book "Okami, the best GnP especialist ever from Japan", free with your Happy Meal.
Deconstructing MMA Myths... [Part 27] - Pride OW GP, Mezger & Those Infamous 6 Lbs...
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Pankratard here,
I've almost finished my book "Okami, the best GnP especialist ever from Japan", free with your Happy Meal.
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When a shertard's technical assesment on the striking game of a fighter is "has huge reach advantage", what do you expect to be discussed?
Funny thing - and why you have been taking a sustained beating until you literally got slept - is that not even ur simpleton assumption about the reach was true, so imagine how far from knowing what u are wachting you are.
Or rather you was; i sure after such an epic, unmerciful trolling, one need to reassess some things...
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Then I missed it, where´s that answer?
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Can you repeat the question? Serious here
But let me just some trolling, now I post something different
Even more epic one pay attention:
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I asked you a question here, you didnt understand it, but keep spammin´the same things?Can you repeat the question? Serious here
But let me just some trolling, now I post something different
Even more epic one pay attention:
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Can you try to reformulate the question, please? Google Trans failed sis
Didnt spamm the same things, did you see the last one? its probably the best one. re read it seriously:
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I mean...ok....Can you try to reformulate the question, please? Google Trans failed sis
Didnt spamm the same things, did you see the last one? its probably the best one. re read it seriously:
1st, Gono pointed at this:
Then he quoted you. The 1st part was a lil joke, nuthin´special.
Then at the end, the serious question:
"Anyway, one question for our
This question is not a test, Gono´s askin´your opinion. This thread is about the SAKU vs Mezger fight, controversial fight. One of the 3 judges was Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo, and Okami´s mentor.
This thread´s not about Okami, tho, it´s about the controversy surroundin´that decision in that fight.
This Decons is not testin´you, it´s basically askin´your opinion since you´re interested in everythin´related to Okami.
Can you understand that?
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Didnt understand by how it was forumulated.
I dont have much to say about the "shady" aspect of the story as i dont really know the private interests and intrincancies.
My take on the fight is that its pretty much a great "sprawl & brawl" display by Mezger, particularly excellent single leg work by both.
Guy was more tight with his striking, making Saku pay for his habit of lean back with his chin up in the form of clean straight rights that were the best shots of the fight. Mezger always showed to be in control the few times Saku got any deep in a single leg or even took his back. Very mpressive by Mezger
Aside from a good kick in the face, which connected with the feet rather than the shin and didnt stagger Mezger, Saku threw like one single punch to the head, most of his good kicks were partially blocked and none of them landed in a weak point judging by Mezger's reaction, which is the only way a kick to the body can be considered a better shot than a clean right punch to the face.
I quote the most clueless, or biased, parts in ur OP. I alread told u that smells like ur understanding of standup fighting is mediocre to say the best - u know, the reach talk...- and here, you are way off in the statements you make imo
>You assume the false premise that striking was even in that fight, and that even damage was in favour of Saku !¡
> Guy Mezger gets the edge in striking in the standing fight even if it's rather close, let alone adding the strikes landed in the ground. Period.
> The only way that fight could be considered a draw is by whatever rewards for weight disparity there were
For the rest, I see Ken losing his temper but I dont have much further to tell. Whatever Mezger says about the matter I guess. He won that round.
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Not bad actually
Talking about Okami. I think this fight is a pretty good sample of how a Saku vs Okami fight would play out.
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ok, as I told you, you didnt understand the question as usual, & kept spammin´the same posts for nothin´.
Anyway, even after explainin´you the question, you still didnt understand...Im not askin´you to reassess the fight, I know you cant assess fights [see Chuck vs Suloev or Lister vs Arona]
When I ask you somethin´like:
"Anyway, one question for our shertard sherbro pankrat: do you believe Okami´s mentor would be involved in such a shaddy story?"
It means: do you believe someone like Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo, would jeopardise his legacy with such a shaddy story?
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Do you realize that question offers a Yes, I believe / No, I dont believe type of answer?
And I also dont give a fuck about what Nishi jeopardise or doesnt jeopardise ffs I knew you was a monumental virgin nerd but sometimes you seem actually retarded. I still want to believe there is a brain behind your pathetic virgin nerd persona, sometimes you show some sign of it with well-played gifs but holly shit what a special boy you are darling
By the way I invite you to share all that you know about Yohinori Nishi and whats your opinion about him and his lover
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Diggin´a lil bit deeper... Another potentially controversial decision, again involvin´ poor Guy & 2 of those Judges, especially Kobayashi...
Here, a split Dec. Loss to Arona.
3 Judges involved:
- again, Berto > Mezger
- again, Kobayashi > Arona
- Hume > Arona
Tricky decision, to say the least...
> 1st part of the fight dominated by Mezger, with the most significant technical sequence:
> 2nd part of the fight dominated by Arona, with a fadin´ Mezger:
2 essential things to consider here:
> The Scorin´System & its complexity
> The Judges´understandin´of that Scorin´System, & by extension, their MMA 'ideology'.
- Hume , while commentatin´ durin´the Ronin vs Takase fight, had already showed that he was less inclined to reward the most decisive technical sequence of a fight [the closest Effort to finish by KO or submission]
- Kobayashi, again, optin´to reward the fighter who finished stronger, jus´like in the SAKU vs Mezger fight.
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Kobayashi had an agenda
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This. And not only this.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550357/guy-mezger-on-pride-and-wo
"You know, I’ll tell you truthfully man, I wouldn’t play ball with them on certain things. They wanted me to do certain things that’s just not something that I’m gonna do. It’s against my, kind of my moral code and I think it pissed them off because I’m not gonna do some of the stuff that they wanted me to do. And I knew the moment that I disagreed, that I wasn’t gonna play the game with them on that that things were gonna go south for me there."
"Dealing with the Japanese too you know in dealing with that stuff. They have no real sanctioning body. There’s no athletic board overseeing them or signing judges or any of that kind of stuff. You know they can do whatever they want over there and they often do."
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/13/551413/more-guy-mezger-on-fixed-f
"I am not claiming that any of MY fights were fixed or “worked”. I fought many hard matches in Pride with full intention of winning. I was stopped twice and the rest were split decisions against me in my losses in Pride (and, of course I disagree with the decisions, but I knew that I should have KOed them anyway). I am stating that I was approached once and only one time about my match with Satake."
"I was approached by 2 Japanese guys who were always at the Pride events and were accompanying various Japanese fighters. They wanted to discuss my upcoming bout with Satake. They insisted that I keep it a stand up fight to be a more exciting match for the fans (or maybe because he has no ground game at all.) I told them that I was going to fight like I always do and I do my best to make it as exciting as possible, but I was not going to promise them anything. They came back to me that they were willing to compensate me (that is Japanese term for money) to keep it on the feet. I said no. They then changed the subject and said that they could get me hooked up in Japanese Pro-Wrestling and make more money. I felt this was another attempt to get me to make it a kickboxing match, but then they were discussing the outcome of the match and how it was important for Satake to win because he lost his last match. I stopped them there and told them I knew what was going to be said next and I was not going to do it. (If he had to win then that meant that I had to lose) End of Conversation."
Everyone knows that fixed fights were a reality, Takada vs. Coleman is one of the most famous.
Bas Rutten on JRE: "Takada vs Coleman was fixed"
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/bas-rutten-on-jre-takada-vs-coleman-was-fixed.3448415/
"It was what it was. I needed to support my family. They guaranteed me another fight after that and I needed that security. It was what it was. I'm going to leave it at that." - Coleman himself.
You are fighting a losing battle Gono.
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Pride´s potential fixed fights were already assessed:
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-28-deaf-ears.3907767/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...s-part-32-where´s-dat-suplex-monster.3954795/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ntroversial-decisions-scorin´systems.4020275/
Bonus: Rings:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-wolf-´round-the-ring-fedor-vs-arona.4126283/
In short: you´re gonna need more than google quotes out of their context, go watch the fights & learn more about that complex Scorin´System.
