Deconstructing MMA Myths... [Part 27] - Pride OW GP, Mezger & Those Infamous 6 Lbs...

[pankrat]

Luckily enough, one of our shertards sherbros by the holy name of @pankrat is the worldwide official expert when it comes to anythin´related to Okami (even his exact... reach!..)
I heard he´s writin´a book on him ["Okami, That 8th Wonder on The Ground..."]

Pankratard here,
I've almost finished my book "Okami, the best GnP especialist ever from Japan", free with your Happy Meal.

 

[pankrat]

Luckily enough, one of our shertards sherbros by the holy name of @pankrat is the worldwide official expert when it comes to anythin´related to Okami (even his exact... reach!..)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

When a shertard's technical assesment on the striking game of a fighter is "has huge reach advantage", what do you expect to be discussed?

Funny thing - and why you have been taking a sustained beating until you literally got slept - is that not even ur simpleton assumption about the reach was true, so imagine how far from knowing what u are wachting you are.

Or rather you was; i sure after such an epic, unmerciful trolling, one need to reassess some things...

 

[gono btw]

When a shertard's technical assesment on the striking game of a fighter is "has huge reach advantage", what do you expect to be discussed?

Funny thing - and why you have been taking a sustained beating until you literally got slept - is that not even ur simpleton assumption about the reach was true, so imagine how far from knowing what u are wachting you are.

Or rather you was; i sure after such an epic, unmerciful trolling, one need to reassess some things...

Spoiler

 

[pankrat]

Ya dont get a pass against an undersized opponent, point blank.
.

 

[gono btw]

I understood that. my answer is same

Then I missed it, where´s that answer?

 

[pankrat]

Then I missed it, where´s that answer?

Can you repeat the question? Serious here

But let me just some trolling, now I post something different
Even more epic one pay attention:

Spoiler: Pankratard in the Heavies

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Pankratard vs Gono:

Timeline:

pankrat, Yesterday at 8:13 AM :

"Recenlty I had a cordial and interesting one regarding Kiuma Kunioku with TRYHARD 2001 Maybe you encountered with him in these boards,"

Poor Pankratard reduced to call someone for help like a lil sissy, pretendin´that "maybe" he encountered Gono ´round here...
Well, a few days ago in that Decons Thread:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-30-mma´s-buster-douglas.3935185/



...poor Pankratard was hopin´some help ITT from someone who already had a 'beef' with Gono...

TRYHARD2001, Yesterday at 12:54 PM :

'answered' his call here, no luck, no support, destroyin´his argument based on those holy UFC Tales of Da Tape:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/where-do-you-place-nick-diaz-overall.4104411/page-11

What did poor Pankratard do, then?

pankrat, Yesterday at 7:11 PM :

PMed Gono...

Spoiler: Literally...

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Whattah Shameless Lil Sissy.... This M´F´Kah´s got not self-hespect...

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[gono btw]

Can you repeat the question? Serious here

But let me just some trolling, now I post something different
Even more epic one pay attention:

I asked you a question here, you didnt understand it, but keep spammin´the same things?

 

[pankrat]

I asked you a question here, you didnt understand it, but keep spammin´the same things?

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Can you try to reformulate the question, please? Google Trans failed sis

Didnt spamm the same things, did you see the last one? its probably the best one. re read it seriously:

Spoiler: Pankratard in the Heavies

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Pankratard vs Gono:

Timeline:

pankrat, Yesterday at 8:13 AM :

"Recenlty I had a cordial and interesting one regarding Kiuma Kunioku with TRYHARD 2001 Maybe you encountered with him in these boards,"

Poor Pankratard reduced to call someone for help like a lil sissy, pretendin´that "maybe" he encountered Gono ´round here...
Well, a few days ago in that Decons Thread:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-30-mma´s-buster-douglas.3935185/



...poor Pankratard was hopin´some help ITT from someone who already had a 'beef' with Gono...

TRYHARD2001, Yesterday at 12:54 PM :

'answered' his call here, no luck, no support, destroyin´his argument based on those holy UFC Tales of Da Tape:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/where-do-you-place-nick-diaz-overall.4104411/page-11

What did poor Pankratard do, then?

pankrat, Yesterday at 7:11 PM :

PMed Gono...

Spoiler: Literally...

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Whattah Shameless Lil Sissy.... This M´F´Kah´s got not self-hespect...

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[gono btw]

Can you try to reformulate the question, please? Google Trans failed sis

Didnt spamm the same things, did you see the last one? its probably the best one. re read it seriously:

I mean...ok....

1st, Gono pointed at this:

JUDGES > Additional Info. :

Some insight about them Judges that night, hardly 'random' dudes...
4 Judges at ringside, that night. 3 directly involved:

1/ Yoshinori Nishi [JAP] :

Spoiler: Yoshinori Nishi

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> Background:
- Judo [under Masahiko Kimura]
- Kyokushin Karate
- Founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo

> Career - Highlights:
- Winner of the 1994 Lumax Cup.
- Fought Hickson @ Vale Tudo Japan 1994


2/ Takashi Kobayashi [JAP] :

Spoiler: Takashi Kobayashi

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> Background:
- Wrestlin´

> Career - Highlights:
- Won the title in Asia Championship in 1982.
- Gold medalist of Men Freestyle 48kg Wrestlin´ in Seoul Olympic 1988
- Won the Japan title in 1989.
- Was awarded “Asahi Gymnastic Award.”


3/ Dieuseul Berto [HAI/USA] :

Spoiler: Dieuseul Berto

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> Background:
- Shotokan Karate & Jeet Kune Do
- Pro-Wrasslin´ [‘The Caribbean Kid']
- Founder of Tiger's World Martial Arts

> Career - Highlights:
- Fought Geza Kalman @ UFC 10
- Fought Hugo Duarte @ UVF 1

Note: was Andre Berto´s father.

Then he quoted you. The 1st part was a lil joke, nuthin´special.
Then at the end, the serious question:
"Anyway, one question for our shertard sherbro pankrat: do you believe Okami´s mentor would be involved in such a shaddy story?"

´Would like to elaborate a lil bit on this one, tho...

Indeed, hardly any 'random' dude here, among those Judges... All had/have a long-time [MMA] history...
In particular, consider Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo: several great fighters like Caol Uno, Daiju Takase, Okami... etc... learnt their 'craft' with him....

Pretty awkward to get involved in such a [potentially controversial] story...

Luckily enough, one of our shertards sherbros by the holy name of @pankrat is the worldwide official expert when it comes to anythin´related to Okami (even his exact... reach!..)
I heard he´s writin´a book on him ["Okami, That 8th Wonder on The Ground..."]

Anyway, one question for our shertard sherbro pankrat: do you believe Okami´s mentor would be involved in such a shaddy story?

This question is not a test, Gono´s askin´your opinion. This thread is about the SAKU vs Mezger fight, controversial fight. One of the 3 judges was Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo, and Okami´s mentor.
This thread´s not about Okami, tho, it´s about the controversy surroundin´that decision in that fight.
This Decons is not testin´you, it´s basically askin´your opinion since you´re interested in everythin´related to Okami.

Can you understand that?

 

[pankrat]

I mean...ok....

1st, Gono pointed at this:



Then he quoted you. The 1st part was a lil joke, nuthin´special.
Then at the end, the serious question:
"Anyway, one question for our shertard sherbro pankrat: do you believe Okami´s mentor would be involved in such a shaddy story?"



This question is not a test, Gono´s askin´your opinion. This thread is about the SAKU vs Mezger fight, controversial fight. One of the 3 judges was Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo, and Okami´s mentor.
This thread´s not about Okami, tho, it´s about the controversy surroundin´that decision in that fight.
This Decons is not testin´you, it´s basically askin´your opinion since you´re interested in everythin´related to Okami.

Can you understand that?

Didnt understand by how it was forumulated.
I dont have much to say about the "shady" aspect of the story as i dont really know the private interests and intrincancies.


My take on the fight is that its pretty much a great "sprawl & brawl" display by Mezger, particularly excellent single leg work by both.

Guy was more tight with his striking, making Saku pay for his habit of lean back with his chin up in the form of clean straight rights that were the best shots of the fight. Mezger always showed to be in control the few times Saku got any deep in a single leg or even took his back. Very mpressive by Mezger

Aside from a good kick in the face, which connected with the feet rather than the shin and didnt stagger Mezger, Saku threw like one single punch to the head, most of his good kicks were partially blocked and none of them landed in a weak point judging by Mezger's reaction, which is the only way a kick to the body can be considered a better shot than a clean right punch to the face.

> 3 good body kicks [liver shot]: imo the best qualitative strikes of the fight.

> Nod: Per volume, Guy might get the nod here, but SAKU´s kicks seemed more powerful...
It´s basically Quantity vs Quality ...

SAKU did more damage with his body kicks (liver shot) and high kicks.
While Guy did more damage with his jabs.

I quote the most clueless, or biased, parts in ur OP. I alread told u that smells like ur understanding of standup fighting is mediocre to say the best - u know, the reach talk...- and here, you are way off in the statements you make imo

>You assume the false premise that striking was even in that fight, and that even damage was in favour of Saku !¡

> Guy Mezger gets the edge in striking in the standing fight even if it's rather close, let alone adding the strikes landed in the ground. Period.

> The only way that fight could be considered a draw is by whatever rewards for weight disparity there were

For the rest, I see Ken losing his temper but I dont have much further to tell. Whatever Mezger says about the matter I guess. He won that round.

 

[pankrat]

Then he quoted you. The 1st part was a lil joke, nuthin´special.

Not bad actually

This question is not a test, Gono´s askin´your opinion. This thread is about the SAKU vs Mezger fight, controversial fight. One of the 3 judges was Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo, and Okami´s mentor.
This thread´s not about Okami, tho, it´s about the controversy surroundin´that decision in that fight.
This Decons is not testin´you, it´s basically askin´your opinion since you´re interested in everythin´related to Okami.

Talking about Okami. I think this fight is a pretty good sample of how a Saku vs Okami fight would play out.

 

[gono btw]

Didnt understand by how it was forumulated.
I dont have much to say about the "shady" aspect of the story as i dont really know the private interests and intrincancies.


My take on the fight is that its pretty much a great "sprawl & brawl" display by Mezger, particularly excellent single leg work by both.

Guy was more tight with his striking, making Saku pay for his habit of lean back with his chin up in the form of clean straight rights that were the best shots of the fight. Mezger always showed to be in control the few times Saku got any deep in a single leg or even took his back. Very mpressive by Mezger

Aside from a good kick in the face, which connected with the feet rather than the shin and didnt stagger Mezger, Saku threw like one single punch to the head, most of his good kicks were partially blocked and none of them landed in a weak point judging by Mezger's reaction, which is the only way a kick to the body can be considered a better shot than a clean right punch to the face.





I quote the most clueless, or biased,parts in ur OP. I alread told u that smells me like ur understanding of standup fighting is mediocre to say the best and here you are way off in the statements you make.

>You assume the false premise that striking was even in that fight, and that even damage was in favour of Saku !¡

> Guy Mezger gets the edge in striking: in standing fight even if it's rather close, let alone adding the strikes landed in the ground. Period.

> The only way that fight could be considered a draw is by whatever rewards for weight disparity there were

For the rest, I see Ken losing his temper but I dont have much further to tell. Whatever Mezger says about the matter I guess. He won that round.

ok, as I told you, you didnt understand the question as usual, & kept spammin´the same posts for nothin´.

Anyway, even after explainin´you the question, you still didnt understand...Im not askin´you to reassess the fight, I know you cant assess fights [see Chuck vs Suloev or Lister vs Arona]

When I ask you somethin´like:
"Anyway, one question for our shertard sherbro pankrat: do you believe Okami´s mentor would be involved in such a shaddy story?"

It means: do you believe someone like Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo, would jeopardise his legacy with such a shaddy story?

 

[Natural Order]

Oh look..... @gono btw arguing again. lol

 

[pankrat]

ok, as I told you, you didnt understand the question as usual, & kept spammin´the same posts for nothin´.

Anyway, even after explainin´you the question, you still didnt understand...Im not askin´you to reassess the fight, I know you cant assess fights [see Chuck vs Suloev or Lister vs Arona]

When I ask you somethin´like:
"Anyway, one question for our shertard sherbro pankrat: do you believe Okami´s mentor would be involved in such a shaddy story?"

It means: do you believe someone like Yoshinori Nishi, founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo, would jeopardise his legacy with such a shaddy story?

Do you realize that question offers a Yes, I believe / No, I dont believe type of answer?

And I also dont give a fuck about what Nishi jeopardise or doesnt jeopardise ffs I knew you was a monumental virgin nerd but sometimes you seem actually retarded. I still want to believe there is a brain behind your pathetic virgin nerd persona, sometimes you show some sign of it with well-played gifs but holly shit what a special boy you are darling

By the way I invite you to share all that you know about Yohinori Nishi and whats your opinion about him and his lover

 

[gono btw]

Do you realize that question offers a Yes, I believe / No, I dont believe type of answer?

And I also dont give a fuck about what Nishi jeopardise or doesnt jeopardise ffs I knew you was a monumental virgin nerd but sometimes you seem actually retarded. I still want to believe there is a brain behind your pathetic virgin nerd persona, sometimes you show some sign of it with well-played gifs but holly shit what a special boy you are darling

By the way I invite you to share all that you know about Yohinori Nishi and whats your opinion about him and his lover

yeah,yeah...ok, duly noted & thanks for your contribution.

Oh look..... @gono btw arguing again. lol

Spoiler

 

[pankrat]

yeah,yeah...ok, duly noted & thanks for your contribution.

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No prob geezer
You are still my favourite

 

[gono btw]

JUDGES > Additional Info. :

Some insight about them Judges that night, hardly 'random' dudes...
4 Judges at ringside, that night. 3 directly involved:

1/ Yoshinori Nishi [JAP] :

Spoiler: Yoshinori Nishi

View attachment 765139

> Background:
- Judo [under Masahiko Kimura]
- Kyokushin Karate
- Founder of Wajyutsu Keishukai MMA Dojo

> Career - Highlights:
- Winner of the 1994 Lumax Cup.
- Fought Hickson @ Vale Tudo Japan 1994


2/ Takashi Kobayashi [JAP] :

Spoiler: Takashi Kobayashi

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> Background:
- Wrestlin´

> Career - Highlights:
- Won the title in Asia Championship in 1982.
- Gold medalist of Men Freestyle 48kg Wrestlin´ in Seoul Olympic 1988
- Won the Japan title in 1989.
- Was awarded “Asahi Gymnastic Award.”


3/ Dieuseul Berto [HAI/USA] :

Spoiler: Dieuseul Berto

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> Background:
- Shotokan Karate & Jeet Kune Do
- Pro-Wrasslin´ [‘The Caribbean Kid']
- Founder of Tiger's World Martial Arts

> Career - Highlights:
- Fought Geza Kalman @ UFC 10
- Fought Hugo Duarte @ UVF 1

Note: was Andre Berto´s father.

Diggin´a lil bit deeper... Another potentially controversial decision, again involvin´ poor Guy & 2 of those Judges, especially Kobayashi...

Here, a split Dec. Loss to Arona.
3 Judges involved:
- again, Berto > Mezger
- again, Kobayashi > Arona
- Hume > Arona

Tricky decision, to say the least...
> 1st part of the fight dominated by Mezger, with the most significant technical sequence:

Spoiler: Mezger vs Arona - Part 1

> 2nd part of the fight dominated by Arona, with a fadin´ Mezger:

Spoiler: Mezger vs Arona - Part 2

2 essential things to consider here:
> The Scorin´System & its complexity
> The Judges´understandin´of that Scorin´System, & by extension, their MMA 'ideology'.

• Hume , while commentatin´ durin´the Ronin vs Takase fight, had already showed that he was less inclined to reward the most decisive technical sequence of a fight [the closest Effort to finish by KO or submission]
  
• Kobayashi, again, optin´to reward the fighter who finished stronger, jus´like in the SAKU vs Mezger fight.

 

[pankrat]

Diggin´a lil bit deeper... Another potentially controversial decision, again involvin´ poor Guy & 2 of those Judges, especially Kobayashi...

Here, a split Dec. Loss to Arona.
3 Judges involved:
- again, Berto > Mezger
- again, Kobayashi > Arona
- Hume > Arona

Tricky decision, to say the least...
> 1st part of the fight dominated by Mezger, with the most significant technical sequence:

Spoiler: Mezger vs Arona - Part 1

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> 2nd part of the fight dominated by Arona, with a fadin´ Mezger:

Spoiler: Mezger vs Arona - Part 2

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2 essential things to consider here:
> The Scorin´System & its complexity
> The Judges´understandin´of that Scorin´System, & by extension, their MMA 'ideology'.

• Hume , while commentatin´ durin´the Ronin vs Takase fight, had already showed that he was less inclined to reward the most decisive technical sequence of a fight [the closest Effort to finish by KO or submission]
  
• Kobayashi, again, optin´to reward the fighter who finished stronger, jus´like in the SAKU vs Mezger fight.

Kobayashi had an agenda

 

[Salves sod Iqueac]

Didnt understand by how it was forumulated.
I dont have much to say about the "shady" aspect of the story as i dont really know the private interests and intrincancies.


My take on the fight is that its pretty much a great "sprawl & brawl" display by Mezger, particularly excellent single leg work by both.

Guy was more tight with his striking, making Saku pay for his habit of lean back with his chin up in the form of clean straight rights that were the best shots of the fight. Mezger always showed to be in control the few times Saku got any deep in a single leg or even took his back. Very mpressive by Mezger

Aside from a good kick in the face, which connected with the feet rather than the shin and didnt stagger Mezger, Saku threw like one single punch to the head, most of his good kicks were partially blocked and none of them landed in a weak point judging by Mezger's reaction, which is the only way a kick to the body can be considered a better shot than a clean right punch to the face.





I quote the most clueless, or biased, parts in ur OP. I alread told u that smells like ur understanding of standup fighting is mediocre to say the best - u know, the reach talk...- and here, you are way off in the statements you make imo

>You assume the false premise that striking was even in that fight, and that even damage was in favour of Saku !¡

> Guy Mezger gets the edge in striking in the standing fight even if it's rather close, let alone adding the strikes landed in the ground. Period.

> The only way that fight could be considered a draw is by whatever rewards for weight disparity there were

For the rest, I see Ken losing his temper but I dont have much further to tell. Whatever Mezger says about the matter I guess. He won that round.

This. And not only this.

Mezger: "That's what they said. That's how they justified it. The problem is, there wasn't a 10 kilo weight difference.
I was 199 pounds. I got the flu from Ken's kids in training. I took four bags of fluids with me because I was so sick and dehydrated."

The fight b4, vs Shoji, Guy came in @ 200 lbs [no flu, no short notice, no 'official' injury, even though he
seemed to have a problem since he didnt use his right kick...]

He then fought 1 month later against Brad Jones, @ Pure Action 2 [USA]. > I have no info on his weight.
[Note: this fight seems to dismiss the possibility of a foot injury in the SAKU fight...]

The next fight was against Masaaki Satake, 2 months later > Normal preparation, Weight = 203 lbs.

Now, the infamous 10 Kg criteria = 22 lbs.
The difference between Guy´s claim and SAKU´s weight = 16 lbs.

I´ve always considered Mezger a no-nonsense fighter, pretty reliable.
I see no reason to doubt him, but it´s indeed hard to believe that he came in @ his usual 200 lbs weight,
with such a chaotic preparation and on short notice.

And the whole controversy is pretty much about those 6 lbs...

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As Quadros said:
"They still had that 10kg handicapping [mentality].
Let's say a fighter was 10 kilos or more lighter than another fighter.
He already had a point in the round, so you basically had to beat him more than someone your own size."

7/ Negative Points – Yellow Cards:

> NONE here.

II- Aftermath:

Note: Matt Hume was one of the Judges (he knew the Lion´s Den crew since the Pancrase days...).
He claimed that "We knew nothing about that. I don't doubt Ken had an agreement with them. What he claimed he was told was that it would be one round"

This is what Guy said after the fight:[21 July 2001]

Reporter : Has Pride ever approached you about doing a work?
Guy Mezger : "No, pride had never asked me to work a match."

Reporter : You fought Sakuraba in the Pride Grand Prix, opening round. The fight was only scheduled to be
1, 15 minute round. Yet at the end of the first round Pride attempted to add another round, do you believe
they tried to rob you?
Guy Mezger : "Rob me, no."

To prove that Im keepin´ it real, gonna add the rest of the interview:

"Shitting themselves because they were expecting me to lose and when I did not, it was going to screw up
the Hoyce/Sak match, which is a bigger sell in Japan. I think the match maker and high ups were not on the
same page."

> He naturally defended his win, but confirmed that he felt there was no hobbery.

Later, he added:

Mezger: "Mainly, I felt like they were just disorganized.
I didn't know I was going to fight Masaaki Satake until 18 days before the fight. Their take was, "If you're a real warrior, you'll do it." I go, "Really? OK. All right." "


CONCLUSION: Consequently, what happened?

Mismanagement:

> Pride was still a rookie Org., this [OW] GP was their 1st, and they had to deal with several agendas
[see the SAKU vs Hoyce fight configuration later, with no time limit...during a one night tournament (!?) ]...

> Mezger took this fight on short notice, while he was sick [flu], and had [maybe] an injured foot (Mezger
confirmed the flu [got it from Ken´s kids], and that he was recovering from a kidney problem but not the injury, in his post-fight interviews).
He realistically shouldnt have taken it (was offered 6 figures though..).
Even SAKU wasnt interested in this fight, claimin´that Mezger´s style was "boring"...

Spoiler: 'Decons' Threads

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-part-9-bjj-during-the-vale-tudo-era.3826197/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-13-khabib´s-eastern-european-career.3830345/#post-144836697
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-14-mousasi-flukes.3836617/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-1-2.3844333/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-2-2.3844507/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-16-siamese-brothers-the-2-hw-goats.3851935/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-23-cross-training-in-mma´s-dark-ages.3874607/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-groovy-paradox.3893619/page-3#post-148236621
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...de-ow-gp-mezger-those-infamous-6-lbs.3899881/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-28-deaf-ears.3907767/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-penn-the-frontrunner.3925599/#post-149993595
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-30-mma´s-buster-douglas.3935185/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-fights-start-from-standing-position.3808087/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-5-the-true-evolution-of-mma.3807975/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...tion-of-submission-defence-grappling.3803333/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-3-the-evolution-of-werdum´s-striking.3831261/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-2-hunto´s-atomicbutt-drop.3735841/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-1-hoyce-his-gi-ufc-1.3734725/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...skill-set-mma-evolution-the-hws-case.3815393/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...hs-part-8-mma-cans-the-unsung-heroes.3822123/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-10-b4-after-usada.3826221/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-11-fighters´evolution.3827221/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...t-mma-evolution-the-lhw-golden-era-s.3828473/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-17-askren´s-undefeated-record.3855315/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-18-the-genesis-of-ufc-1´s-roster.3855847/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-evolution-the-mw-transitional-era-s.3858851/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-20-judges-mma-ideology.3862173/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-21-the-disorganized-ww-div.3873877/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...part-22-the-avenged-losses-narrative.3874257/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-ufc-5-requiem-for-the-vale-tudo-era.3947367/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-32-where´s-dat-suplex-monster.3954795/#post-151708171

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550357/guy-mezger-on-pride-and-wo

"You know, I’ll tell you truthfully man, I wouldn’t play ball with them on certain things. They wanted me to do certain things that’s just not something that I’m gonna do. It’s against my, kind of my moral code and I think it pissed them off because I’m not gonna do some of the stuff that they wanted me to do. And I knew the moment that I disagreed, that I wasn’t gonna play the game with them on that that things were gonna go south for me there."

"Dealing with the Japanese too you know in dealing with that stuff. They have no real sanctioning body. There’s no athletic board overseeing them or signing judges or any of that kind of stuff. You know they can do whatever they want over there and they often do."


https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/13/551413/more-guy-mezger-on-fixed-f

"I am not claiming that any of MY fights were fixed or “worked”. I fought many hard matches in Pride with full intention of winning. I was stopped twice and the rest were split decisions against me in my losses in Pride (and, of course I disagree with the decisions, but I knew that I should have KOed them anyway). I am stating that I was approached once and only one time about my match with Satake."

"I was approached by 2 Japanese guys who were always at the Pride events and were accompanying various Japanese fighters. They wanted to discuss my upcoming bout with Satake. They insisted that I keep it a stand up fight to be a more exciting match for the fans (or maybe because he has no ground game at all.) I told them that I was going to fight like I always do and I do my best to make it as exciting as possible, but I was not going to promise them anything. They came back to me that they were willing to compensate me (that is Japanese term for money) to keep it on the feet. I said no. They then changed the subject and said that they could get me hooked up in Japanese Pro-Wrestling and make more money. I felt this was another attempt to get me to make it a kickboxing match, but then they were discussing the outcome of the match and how it was important for Satake to win because he lost his last match. I stopped them there and told them I knew what was going to be said next and I was not going to do it. (If he had to win then that meant that I had to lose) End of Conversation."

Everyone knows that fixed fights were a reality, Takada vs. Coleman is one of the most famous.

Bas Rutten on JRE: "Takada vs Coleman was fixed"

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/bas-rutten-on-jre-takada-vs-coleman-was-fixed.3448415/

"It was what it was. I needed to support my family. They guaranteed me another fight after that and I needed that security. It was what it was. I'm going to leave it at that." - Coleman himself.

You are fighting a losing battle Gono.

 

[gono btw]

This. And not only this.



https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550357/guy-mezger-on-pride-and-wo

"You know, I’ll tell you truthfully man, I wouldn’t play ball with them on certain things. They wanted me to do certain things that’s just not something that I’m gonna do. It’s against my, kind of my moral code and I think it pissed them off because I’m not gonna do some of the stuff that they wanted me to do. And I knew the moment that I disagreed, that I wasn’t gonna play the game with them on that that things were gonna go south for me there."

"Dealing with the Japanese too you know in dealing with that stuff. They have no real sanctioning body. There’s no athletic board overseeing them or signing judges or any of that kind of stuff. You know they can do whatever they want over there and they often do."


https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/13/551413/more-guy-mezger-on-fixed-f

"I am not claiming that any of MY fights were fixed or “worked”. I fought many hard matches in Pride with full intention of winning. I was stopped twice and the rest were split decisions against me in my losses in Pride (and, of course I disagree with the decisions, but I knew that I should have KOed them anyway). I am stating that I was approached once and only one time about my match with Satake."

"I was approached by 2 Japanese guys who were always at the Pride events and were accompanying various Japanese fighters. They wanted to discuss my upcoming bout with Satake. They insisted that I keep it a stand up fight to be a more exciting match for the fans (or maybe because he has no ground game at all.) I told them that I was going to fight like I always do and I do my best to make it as exciting as possible, but I was not going to promise them anything. They came back to me that they were willing to compensate me (that is Japanese term for money) to keep it on the feet. I said no. They then changed the subject and said that they could get me hooked up in Japanese Pro-Wrestling and make more money. I felt this was another attempt to get me to make it a kickboxing match, but then they were discussing the outcome of the match and how it was important for Satake to win because he lost his last match. I stopped them there and told them I knew what was going to be said next and I was not going to do it. (If he had to win then that meant that I had to lose) End of Conversation."

Everyone knows that fixed fights were a reality, Takada vs. Coleman is one of the most famous.

Bas Rutten on JRE: "Takada vs Coleman was fixed"

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/bas-rutten-on-jre-takada-vs-coleman-was-fixed.3448415/

"It was what it was. I needed to support my family. They guaranteed me another fight after that and I needed that security. It was what it was. I'm going to leave it at that." - Coleman himself.

You are fighting a losing battle Gono.

Pride´s potential fixed fights were already assessed:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-28-deaf-ears.3907767/

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...s-part-32-where´s-dat-suplex-monster.3954795/

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ntroversial-decisions-scorin´systems.4020275/

Bonus: Rings:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-wolf-´round-the-ring-fedor-vs-arona.4126283/

In short: you´re gonna need more than google quotes out of their context, go watch the fights & learn more about that complex Scorin´System.