Death fight: African Male Lion Vs Silverback Gorilla

[KnightTemplar]

A scaled reference for this hypothetical fight:

Little bastard deserved that. War Kitty!:icon_twis

 

[KnightTemplar]

Why the fuck would anyone want to see 2 animals forced into a cage to rip each other apart.

There are some sick fucks out there, man. Remember that Humans are one of the very few species who kill for pleasure. Or abstract concepts like "Religion".

Having said that, it's an interesting hypothetical argument. But the only real-life version of this I want to see is, "Can a phile Kill a Lion with a Blunt Swiss Army Knife?":icon_twis

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

I have been having this debate with several friends for literally YEARS now. No shit it has got VERY VERY heated at times on who would come out the victor. Almost every time it comes to a 50/50 split on who would win.

So I'm coming to Sherdog to try and settle this once and for all since I can find no evidence of an actually pit fight between the two happening on the internet. :icon_sad:

I for one cant believe so many people would even think this would be competitive match. I got the LION all day. 97% of the time winning this match. My reasoning is first and foremost a Lion is predator. Not only is he a predator he is THE predator when we are talking about land mammals. Gorillas lay around all day eating plants. Lions have evolved into apex killing machines.

I think the Lion straight up mauls the Sliver back and has him damn near bled to death in under 10 minuets. To many weapons. To athletic. To fast. To strong. Lions were born to do this kind of shit.

Common arguments for the Gorilla winning from my friends are: The Sliver back is to strong and he has fingers. To that I say so fucking what??? How good are the hands going to be after they get the fuck bit out of them in the first 10 seconds of the match?? They would be like fat tasty sausage links from I-hop to the Lion. I mean hell even if the Lion dint bite his hands all up, whats he really going to do with them?? Try and head lock a Lion??? Good luck with that...lol...

And second what how much stronger do you really think a Silverback is than a Lion??? I for one don't think he is at all. Sure a Gorilla is stupid strong compared to human, but a Lion is just on another level athletic wise.

Oh another fun fact Sliverback supporters like to throw out is how much bigger a Sliverback is than a Lion....Guess what??? He isn't. That Lion on average out weights a Silverback by over 50 pounds easy. Normal wild Sliverbacks weight in around 400-450 pounds. The African male lion weights in around 450 to 500+ pounds.

So who do you guys got?? Its a fight to the death. No weapons or any bull shit like that. Just one big giant open concert pit.

Discuss.

Does the silverback get prep time?

 

[the ambush]

Ole boy went to get his homie and was still skeered. Now imagine a mega-sized version of that pussy cat.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Does the silverback get prep time?

Silverback with Prep Time vs Prime, Healthy, Motivated Lion with That Look in his eyes?:icon_twis

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

Silverback with Prep Time vs Prime, Healthy, Motivated Lion with That Look in his eyes?:icon_twis

Does the silverback train ufc? I'm assuming the Lion doesn't as that's just silly.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Does the silverback train ufc? I'm assuming the Lion doesn't as that's just silly.

Lion owns the Silverback in stand up. Silverback's only hope is that the Lion has poor TDD.

Lion by KO if he can keep it standing, Sliverback by Arm Bar is he can take it to the mats.:icon_chee

 

[aus101]

Haha, a lion would maul a silverback so easily. Smaller cats are known for hunting gorillas.

It's funny how Hollywood has really made people think gorillas are this top tier fighting-machine. You guys really buy into that stuff. Too much King Kong and Planet of the Apes.

Gorillas are formidable, it's not just hollywood that makes them appear that way. That said cats are lightning fast, a leopard will cover 30 feet before you have even time to react. Bit of a toss up this one.

 

[D Train]

I've always wanted to see a Gorilla fight a Bear.

A bear destroys any other land animal. Destroys. They are far too big, too strong, and too fast to get beat. Their speed is very underrated.
Grizzly > lion > silver back
Fact.

 

[SevenSamurai]

Lol. I hadn't even read this post when I just replied. Funny that's hat you remembered it by.

Yes this matchup overall favors the lion. Gorillas rely of bluff and bluster most of the time to avoid fights. Of course with their massive canines and huge muscles they could win a few. But overall I'm going with the kitty.

I declare Zookeeper Gabe's opinions as possibly tampered with and invalid.

We cannot be certain a Silverback didn't shit in his cornflakes this morning.

 

[Insmoke]

I'd pick the lion. Serious speed advantage and catlike reflexes, while still capable of inflicting massive damage.

The Grizzly is still the heavyweight champion though. In my head at least.

 

[WatchMeDoMe**]

What a fucking tool TS is

I can see him at party's just walking up to a crowd of people and posing this question. Then when someone says gorilla he starts foaming at the mouth with rage.

 

[sangreporsangre]

I take the lion. Throw them in a pit or a cage and fight to the death? Yea, I'll go with the lion, it has the claws, the aggression, the speed, the killer instinct. Gorilla would have a chance due to his strength, but I would consider it an upset if he pulls off a win.

But if they met in the wild, the gorilla would probably pound on his chest and the lion would run away. I swear, animal fights are just about as disappointing as street fights/bar fights. Just like 9/10 times it's 2 tapout douches yelling at each other how they're gonna kick the other guy's ass and nothing happens, animals usually just try to intimidate each other and back off. It seems like they almost never throw down.

 

[AkaiJiisu]

I'd pick the lion. Serious speed advantage and catlike reflexes

* cat reflexes

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

I declare Zookeeper Gabe's opinions as possible tampered and invalid.

We cannot be certain a Silverback didn't shit in his cornflakes this morning.

Sorry. No great apes at my current zoo. A tree kangaroo tried to attack my leg but that's about it.

 

[D19]

Lion would hurt gorilla badly, it would be sad. Gorillas are overrated on this boards

 

[44nutman]

Gorilla has dat reach doe! Gorilla touches the lion with teh jab.

 

[MicroBrew]

They way I see it as a Horsepower (Lion) vs. Torque (Silverback) debate.

 

[Ah Man]

ok... so this is a baboon which weigh between 30-90 lbs and 1 vs 1 it had a lion running scared.

I've chased off lions too. Doesn't change the fact that they could have torn me apart. If you've ever worked with wild animals you'll quickly learn that almost all of them flee whenever remotely uncertain.

Lions excel at killing certain large mammals. Certain other ones are known to kill lions, like water buffalo. You never see a single lion kill a large mammal like a buffalo, much less a rhino or elephant. In fact, they will run like girls from an angry rhino or elephant.

All of which are much larger than a Silverback gorilla, as are zebra, which happen to be outstanding fighters and are occasionally brought down by a single lion (or on very rare occasion a single hyena) anyway. For the record, if we're talking young buffalo, which are already plenty huge, single lions and hyenas both bring them down pretty routinely. Supposedly, a single hyena in Botswana recently separated an elephant calf (ie. huge) from its mother and brought it down single-handedly, or so the local rangers claim.

The reason I bring up hyenas over and over again is that when you have female lions and hyenas in conflict over a carcass, they tend to know the ratio of how many hyenas are required for to drive off given number of lionesses. No number of hyenas will challenge an adult male lion.

I actually think a adult female hyena vs a silverback would be much more interesting, since the gorilla would have size, but hyenas can and regularly do bring down much larger animals single-handedly.

I would, however, be exceptionally surprised if a single water buffalo killed a full grown male lion.

I wouldn't. Just to note, I assume we're talking about Cape/African buffalo. Water buffalo are an Indian animal and would probably only be interacting with Asiatic lions, not African lions. If we're talking a full grown male Cape buffalo, we're talking a nearly 2000 lb animal, with enough horsepower to kill any land animal on the planet. It's not typically going to happen, because a male buffalo would very rarely defend anyone else, and predators aren't going to target healthy adult male buffalo, but they can be very aggressive have all the tools to do it.

Don't lionesses typically do the hunting, and in packs? Then the males strut in and eat their fill while the lionesses wait for sloppy seconds on their own kill.

Woah woah woah. Time out. Right now you're talking about male lions that have a pride. Most don't. Now, if we're talking about an area with really high game density, say the Maasai Mara or Ngorongoro Crater, male lions rarely or never kill. They can always steal something, from a hyena, cheetah, leopard, sometimes even jackal or eagle. But, in areas with lower game density male lions without a pride have to hunt and kill to live, and they're reasonably good at it (lions aren't actually terrific hunters in general, compared to something like painted dogs). Like any predator, they're going to take the easiest prey they can find, but it's also these low game density areas where they're most likely to have to go after something that can kill them, like an adult zebra, buffalo, or even a young hippo, rhino, or elephant.

Not sure if they could finish the kill alone, and don't see why they would try.

They certainly can. For lions, finishing the job is the easy part. One reason some people dislike painted dogs, hyenas, and wolves compared to the cats is that cats kill quickly. One canine to the brain. Show's over.

The thing is, almost every animal in this thread has the tools to kill almost all the others, and it can happen. If I have a shotgun, I can still get killed by a midget with a knife if I step on a rake and slip on a banana peel. That's why all of these animals are usually going to run away when the option is available.

 

[SevenSamurai]

Sorry. No great apes at my current zoo. A tree kangaroo tried to attack my leg but that's about it.

then I officially declare that the probative value of Gabe's online testimonial insights into observed Kangaroo subjectively interpretive behavioral characteristics on future threads be outweighed by the potential prejudice demonstrated here.

this post will serve as exhibit A