Deadspin: Whatever Happened To The UFC?

CerebralKnievel said:
They don't employ a legitimate and fact checking department, and their sources read more like heresay. It's generally just an opinion forum of bloggers masquerading as writers.
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Fair enough. I take what they write as just that, an opinion. One that I tend to agree with, regardless of getting Jeremy Stephens' jail time record wrong.
 
CerebralKnievel said:
They don't employ a legitimate and fact checking department, and their sources read more like heresay. It's generally just an opinion forum of bloggers masquerading as writers.
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Could you say the same about a certain promoter?
 
And ...

I will keep watching.
 
beef-fire said:
What are the journalistic standards they aren't adhering to? I'm legitimately curious.

And why is it that Deadspin seems to be the only outlet that has the balls to call out the UFC, everyone else seems too afraid of having their credentials revoked to say anything remotely negative.

I couldn't agree more with the point on oversaturation, it really is diminishing the products value and it's representative in overall interest, which is undoubtedly waning amongst casual fans
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One of the most universal tenets of good journalism is 'fairness.'
That means a lot of things, and there are books written about it. But a couple of observations about fairness:

-Present facts, not indictments.
-Carefully examine contrary evidence. In this case, I don't see much evidence either way.
- Don't let your opinion cloud your pursuit of evidence.
That doesn't mean you can't have and express opinion, but:

"Nothing in the fairness rules should be interpreted to prevent a producer from making a point-of-view or authored program. However, such a program must be identified and labeled as such. Then these programs can be given great latitude as personal and artistic expressions so long as they are not inaccurate or defamatory" Taken from: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/about-us/journalistic-guidelines/

Also, attribute your sources generously.. this article really had no sources.
 
bearVSshark said:
Could you say the same about a certain promoter?
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A promoter has no reason or ethical imperative to employ such things; it's his job to sell fights and lie. It's the journalists job to research and call him out.
 
I don't quite get the bit about Iole. That particular article does seem shill-ish, but last summer Iole wrote something about how Belfort only fights in Brazil being "shady" and Dana went off on him on twitter for it. I don't read his stuff regularly but based on the Belfort thing I didn't have him pegged as a UFC shill.
 
CerebralKnievel said:
They don't employ a legitimate and fact checking department, and their sources read more like heresay. It's generally just an opinion forum of bloggers masquerading as writers.
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Reading this and some other comments in the thread, for a moment i thought UFC has managed to turn MMA fans into crabs in a barrel. Maybe it was just a dream.

I agree with the article though, he makes a very valid point that isn't talked about as much as it should be in MMA journalism.
 
this writer is a bit of a dolt it would seem.

a year ago Marquardt was one fight away from a title shot. He lost 3 fights that year and is now headlining a free card rather than a PPV. I get that this card has a lot of unknowns but if we are talking about over-saturation in general then I do not understand how the fact that fighters who used to be main card PPV now headlining free cards is somehow a watering down of product or weaker offering. It seems to me that this would be a sign that the product had improved as fighters that used to be all over main card PPVs now have to fight on free cards because there are even better fighters fighting on the PPVs.

I'm not even thinking of this weekends card like a real UFC card, It's a UFC Prospects card.
 
Even when guys like Marchman/Rios who are terrible bring up good points its just reeks of bias.

Everyone knows Marchman has a grudge against UFC for Deadspin being banned and it shows.

mma media is awful, its either ass kissers to the UFC or guys who have been banned and attack the UFC.

Very few guys who are legit and fair and balanced.
 
is normal said:
One of the most universal tenets of good journalism is 'fairness.'
That means a lot of things, and there are books written about it. But a couple of observations about fairness:

-Present facts, not indictments.
-Carefully examine contrary evidence. In this case, I don't see much evidence either way.
- Don't let your opinion cloud your pursuit of evidence.
That doesn't mean you can't have and express opinion, but:

"Nothing in the fairness rules should be interpreted to prevent a producer from making a point-of-view or authored program. However, such a program must be identified and labeled as such. Then these programs can be given great latitude as personal and artistic expressions so long as they are not inaccurate or defamatory" Taken from: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/about-us/journalistic-guidelines/

Also, attribute your sources generously.. this article really had no sources.
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Thanks for this.

This seems like a really tricky ruleset to navigate when the author is writing an opinion piece.

..so long as they are not inaccurate or defamatory
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I can see how it would be defamatory to Iole, but really it's deserved (in my opinion), and maybe it's not right of him to say it, but I think it's a positive that the UFC gets SOME negative criticism about what they are putting out.
 
but but but.... there should be a monopoly, I wanna see all the best fighter under the one roof! All the fights we wanna see will be made...!

cough
 
More free fights on television is a good thing. More fighters getting to fight is a good for fighters. They only get paid when they fight.
 
Their PVP's are terrible and just plain greedy.

There's a bunch of fighters that the UFC thinks are stars, but they're not. There's nothing special about 95% of the UFC fighters imo. A lot of them are not great athletes or special and they want to charge $60 to see them fight lol.

Then there's a lot of variables to make the fights suck. Wall and stall, lay and pray, running, fighters getting gassed, bad judging, etc.. though I do admit they have got the refs stopping wall and stall and lay and pray a lot for a bit now.

Also, one thing about MMA in general is how there is no recovery for fighters when they get ko'd, like a 10 count. I swear there's been a lot of fights stopped and then the fighter is fine like in 3 seconds lol. I'm not saying they could do such a thing with how the rules are and how the fights are though, it's just the way it is.
 
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