News Deadline: Jake Paul reduces amount asked for fighter pay in last ditch offer to get Dana to accept

[Whitestallion]

you guys do know that ship has sailed when WME bought the UFC. It is now a publicly trade company, and the execs love the fact the the UFC is only paying 18% of their revenue and bleeding the fighters dry.

Even if Dana had a awakening, he wouldn't have the power to do anything. He would get fired and sued if he were to drastically decrease WME's profits by raising fighter pay.

The only way the fighters get better pay and health care is to unionize, that's literally it.

Yeah thats not the way it works bud.

If the fighters actually did decide they wanted to union they could and would be successful. Again this is on the fighters not the promotion. It happened in EVERY OTHER MAJOR SPORT. The ones at the top need to make things better by agreeing to fair pay.

 

[Apollo33]

Yeah thats not the way it works bud.

If the fighters actually did decide they wanted to union they could and would be successful. Again this is on the fighters not the promotion. It happened in EVERY OTHER MAJOR SPORT. The ones at the top need to make things better by agreeing to fair pay.

That's not how it works buddy. You should read up on the history of EVERY OTHER MAJOR SPORT and their player associations. The player's associations struggled for years even decades to force the leagues to bargain with them. They planned strikes and lockouts to have their demand met by the owners.

No owners in the world will pay their fair share out of the goodness of their hearts, that's not how the real world works.

 

[oscerthegrouch]

Get rid of minimum pay. Drastically increase the amount and number of bonuses to really incentivize fighters to put on exciting fights. The bonus pool should be at least $1 million per event.

Give long-term healthcare and pension benefits to fighters that reach a certain number of fights in the UFC. Long-term healthcare could start at 6 fights and pension benefits could start at 12 fights. Long-term healthcare is forfeited if fighters compete in a different organization or combat sport after their time in the UFC.

As of UFC Fight Night: Lewis vs. Daukaus, which took place on December 18, 2021, there have been 589 UFC events held in 161 cities in 28 countries
so 589 million just in bonus right then you want LONG term healthcare for short term employment.. another 500 million?

Okay!!! johnnny

 

[RampageFaction]

The difference is a technicality.

I would love for the fighters to be employees and have the right to unionize, but it’s pretty clear cut that they are not employees. There are some ways that the UFC tries to treat them like employees, but they’re not. It’s not a technicality.

 

[mspin]

He would get fired and sued if he were to drastically decrease WME's profits by raising fighter pay.

The only way the fighters get better pay and health care is to unionize, that's literally it.

He can’t get sued for raising fighter pay because he himself LITERALLY doesn’t have the power to raise fighter pay. There are no such consequences because he has no path for such consequences. It’s a non-starter. Period.

The ONLY likely path (at least best) toward increasing fighter pay is the through the chairman, the board AND shareholder votes.

 

[Whitestallion]

That's not how it works buddy. You should read up on the history of EVERY OTHER MAJOR SPORT and their player associations. The player's associations struggled for years even decades to force the leagues to bargain with them. They planned strikes and lockouts to have their demand met by the owners.

No owners in the world will pay their fair share out of the goodness of their hearts, that's not how the real world works.

So you're saying at some point all other major organizations players came to an agreement to work together? Glad we agree, let me know if you need more help.

 

[kflo]

He can’t get sued for raising fighter pay because he himself LITERALLY doesn’t have the power to raise fighter pay. There are no such consequences because he has no path for such consequences. It’s a non-starter. Period.

The ONLY likely path (at least best) toward increasing fighter pay is the through the chairman, the board AND shareholder votes.

That’s not true. The ufc management is delegated to make day to day decisions. They can certainly make changes in pay without board approval.

 

[kflo]

So you're saying at some point all other major organizations players came to an agreement to work together? Glad we agree, let me know if you need more help.

What individual sports have a union with a cba?

 

[ExxA]

Remember when Dana was going to box Tito? Lets do that again but with Jake instead.

 

[avenue94]

Contractors don’t get healthcare and pensions. If you want those things, go somewhere else.

Very few contractors also sustain injuries to the extent fighters do and face the restrictions that UFC fighters do. The UFC wants it both ways, the advantages of treating fighters like employees while still getting the advantages of labeling them contractors. For what it's worth, I think health care for fighters is a non starter

 

[mspin]

That’s not true. The ufc management is delegated to make day to day decisions. They can certainly make changes in pay without board approval.

I’m talking about large swaths of financial restructuring that have direct impact to shareholder value, share price and market capitalization (not to mention float and treasury shares and dilution). These are not “day to day decisions”.

Sure, Pink Goof and his crew can negotiate individual contracts and give out extra bonuses on healthy ppv nights and such. But I assure you, the kinds of changes brought up by Jake and discussed in these threads can’t be done any one person.

Not Ari, not Patrick and certainly not Pink Goof.

 

[kflo]

I’m talking about large swaths of financial restructuring that have direct impact to shareholder value, share price and market capitalization (not to mention impacts to float and treasury shares and dilution). These are not “day to day decisions”.

Sure, Pink Goof can negotiate individual contacts and gives out extra bonuses on healthy ppv nights and such. But I assure you, the kinds of changes brought up by Jake and discussed in these threads can’t be done any one person.

Not Ari, not Patrick and certainly not Pink Goof.

I was referring to gradual changes but yes, complete restructuring of the revenue share is a big deal.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

That’s not true. The ufc management is delegated to make day to day decisions. They can certainly make changes in pay without board approval.

They can’t just dbl fighter pay without permission. You can’t be serious? They have a budget and certainly the second they want to exceed that the UFC would need permission from their bosses. Only an owner and sole controller of a private company can do that unilaterally.

Come on man.

 

[kflo]

They can’t just dbl fighter pay without permission. You can’t be serious? They have a budget and certainly the second they want to exceed that the UFC would need permission from their bosses. Only an owner and sole controller of a private company can do that unilaterally.

Come on man.

i was only referring to gradual increases. not doubling of payroll....

 

[Whitestallion]

What individual sports have a union with a cba?

You're off topic, we're talking about the fighters starting a union, you're right it would be very hard because they would have to want to give up a share to get everyone a bigger share. and fighters are very very uneducated, educated men don't go into the sport.

 

[kflo]

You're off topic, we're talking about the fighters starting a union, you're right it would be very hard because they would have to want to give up a share to get everyone a bigger share. and fighters are very very uneducated, educated men don't go into the sport.

It’s off topic to ask what individual sports have a union with a cba in a discussion about starting a union in an individual sport?

And plenty of educated men in combat sports.

 

[Whitestallion]

It’s off topic to ask what individual sports have a union with a cba in a discussion about starting a union in an individual sport?

And plenty of educated men in combat sports.

Listen they either come together to get more or they don't.

 

[froggyluv]

They can’t just dbl fighter pay without permission. You can’t be serious? They have a budget and certainly the second they want to exceed that the UFC would need permission from their bosses. Only an owner and sole controller of a private company can do that unilaterally.

Come on man.

Even if true -Should Dana vanguard that position publicly it would be a pretty significant stride toward it actually happening.

 

[Jozo Sha]

Dana has no control over fighter pay. He's the president, not the board of directors or anything with any all-encompassing powers.
People not understanding this are plain ignorant of the reality of the UFC and it's actual legal status. Dana cannot do these things, no matter how much Jake howls and sherdoggers pine for this.

 

[ninjion]

Healthcare's already free in every first world civilized country.