News Deadline: Jake Paul reduces amount asked for fighter pay in last ditch offer to get Dana to accept

[kflo]

Danger isn't just death. Quality of life and brain trauma matters. Hence me saying being a professional prize fighter is much more impactful to health than most other contracting gigs. Btw, have you ever heard of an oil rig worker being forced to work another year because their employer said they had to? I haven't.

ufc fighters aren't forced to work.....

 

[avenue94]

ufc fighters aren't forced to work.....

forced to work (if they want to work in that industry or related ones) for another year.

 

[Smegma-Head]

„I‘m in your head“

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Dana is a little bit busy finalizing the increase in pay-per-view to $74.99

He’s also working on his speech in which he will lie his ass off about pay-per-view revenue in 2021..

 

[Dbreiden83080]

don’t forget snow is his driveway and gambling millions of dollars LOL!

hopefully more people get behind what jake paul is doing and put public pressure on Dana and company.

Dana loses or wins more at the crap table than he pays his entire undercard on a Tuesday night.

 

[kflo]

forced to work (if they want to work in that industry or related ones) for another year.

you mean stay with the same company.....

 

[avenue94]

you mean stay with the same company.....

Last I checked a champion's clause applies to boxing, pro wrestling, grappling competitions, any other mma orgs. Any combat sport pretty much. So our poor oil rig worker would not just be prevented from working in the oil rig industry, but vaguely adjacent industries as well. Ludicrous in other words and not what happens in other industries.

 

[Starman]

Danger isn't just death. Quality of life and brain trauma matters. Hence me saying being a professional prize fighter is much more impactful to health than most other contracting gigs.

You didn’t say that. Not in your response to me, anyway. It’s a weird argument, but sure, I guess if those military contractors and oil rig workers had to choose, they’d choose the violent deaths in their industry over the cuts and bruises in Mixed Martial Arts any day.

Btw, have you ever heard of an oil rig worker being forced to work another year because their employer said they had to? I haven't.

No one can force you to fight if you don’t want to. If you mean that contractors are “forced” to legally honor the contracts they’ve signed, then I’m afraid your argument simply doesn’t hold water. Contracts are legally binding. It’s the sole purpose of their existence. It applies to all forms of employment, not just fighting.

 

[kflo]

Last I checked a champion's clause applies to boxing, pro wrestling, grappling competitions, any other mma orgs. Any combat sport pretty much. So our poor oil rig worker would not just be prevented from working in the oil rig industry, but vaguely adjacent industries as well. Ludicrous in other words and not what happens in other industries.

again, you mean prevented from working for OTHER oil rig companies.

and you realize the champions clause applies to less than 2% of the roster?

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Even if true -Should Dana vanguard that position publicly it would be a pretty significant stride toward it actually happening.

Or a good way for him to lose his great gig? That’s the kind of thing you try to change from the inside. He takes way too much heat for things beyond his control. He’s the face you’ve all given the boogeyman of corporate greed. But, no viable solutions are ever offered that I’ve seen.

It’s always just .. pay them like the other leagues. Like it’s that simple?

Boycott the UFC. That is the one thing each and every single one of you can do to protest fighter pay. Write a letter telling them that too. Yet, in my time here I’ve never seen one person actually do it.

 

[avenue94]

Very few contractors also sustain injuries to the extent fighters do and face the restrictions that UFC fighters do.

You didn’t say that. Not in your response to me, anyway. It’s a weird argument, but sure, I guess if those military contractors and oil rig workers had to choose, they’d choose the violent deaths in their industry over the cuts and bruises in Mixed Martial Arts any day.

This is my original quote. Notice how I specifically say injuries, not death. You can make it through a career as a soldier or plenty of dangerous contracting professions without ever suffering a TBI. A career in mma guarantees you several, and most fighters will suffer quality of life impacts post-retirement. There's no reason to underplay the extent of brain trauma in the sport, it's part and parcel with it.

No one can force you to fight if you don’t want to. If you mean that contractors are “forced” to legally honor the contracts they’ve signed, then I’m afraid your argument simply doesn’t hold water. Contracts are legally binding. It’s the sole purpose of their existence. It applies to all forms of employment, not just fighting.

You still don't get how unusual Bellator and the UFC's contracts are. If an oil rig worker signed a contract for a 5 year gig, but decided half way they wanted to be a mechanic, they would be perfectly able to. If a fighter decides they are done with mma halfway through a 5 year contract and decides they want to be an Olympic juduka, the UFC or Bellator can bar them from doing so. That's incredibly unusual in this day and age.

again, you mean prevented from working for OTHER oil rig companies

Are you trying to argue that mma and all combat sports are the same? Because again, like I pointed out, the UFC's non-competitive language is far more vast than the industry of mma. The scope is nearly unheard of for contractors these days.

and you realize the champions clause applies to less than 2% of the roster?

Never claimed otherwise, as how many people a contractual clause affects has no real bearing on its legality or not. I've just pointed out that it's a purely arbitrary, one way extension found in almost no other profession these days. I can also add it's curiously similar to a reserve clause.

 

[Poirierfan]

he got mad cuz he kno it true dana a goofball n so r his fans if he even has any omg

Not being a dick (serious question), are you very young, or maybe from a different country other than America?

 

[GORO]

Not being a dick (serious question), are you very young, or maybe from a different country other than America?

u farther

 

[Poirierfan]

u farther

I understand that I'm probably "farther" from you. but it's "you're father" that you were shooting for, bruh.

 

[sutherland]

Dana White fucked up when he replied...part of me thinks they will end up having business in some type of way before it is all said and done. Otherwise why would Dana even bother.

You realize they both work for the Endeavor Group

 

[kflo]

This is my original quote. Notice how I specifically say injuries, not death. You can make it through a career as a soldier or plenty of dangerous contracting professions without ever suffering a TBI. A career in mma guarantees you several, and most fighters will suffer quality of life impacts post-retirement. There's no reason to underplay the extent of brain trauma in the sport, it's part and parcel with it.

You still don't get how unusual Bellator and the UFC's contracts are. If an oil rig worker signed a contract for a 5 year gig, but decided half way they wanted to be a mechanic, they would be perfectly able to. If a fighter decides they are done with mma halfway through a 5 year contract and decides they want to be an Olympic juduka, the UFC or Bellator can bar them from doing so. That's incredibly unusual in this day and age.

The ufc and bellator have the right to say no. They often don’t say no.

Are you trying to argue that mma and all combat sports are the same? Because again, like I pointed out, the UFC's non-competitive language is far more vast than the industry of mma. The scope is nearly unheard of for contractors these days.

not sure what you mean. Bellator and the boxing contract for Ennis have the same language. I think the boxing language was even more restrictive if I recall.

Never claimed otherwise, as how many people a contractual clause affects has no real bearing on its legality or not. I've just pointed out that it's a purely arbitrary, one way extension found in almost no other profession these days. I can also add it's curiously similar to a reserve clause.

The nfl has the franchise tag. Affects a small % of the league. And I’ve never seen it challenged legally. Are you suggesting its illegal?

 

[Choco]

It is flat out bizarre-o to see people argue against fighters being taken care of because they loathe Jake Paul.

It's bizarre to see people treating the issue as if it was simple or cut and dry. Those examples you posted are two hell of study cases. Mostly of what not to do. And don't get me wrong I'm all for the Big Jewish Money backing Endevour footing all the bills, but good luck with that.

The NBA has health care for former players. I think you have to have played 3 years. The NFL and NBA have pensions. But the difference is, they are employees...fighters are not.

¿All-included quality health care for life in the US? Damm, that has to be prohibitively expensive to provision. Thank God the NBA generates $8.76 billion in revenue per year.

 

[GeneTunney7]

It's bizarre to see people treating the issue as if it was simple or cut and dry. Those examples you posted are two hell of study cases. Mostly of what not to do. And don't get me wrong I'm all for the Big Jewish Money backing Endevour footing all the bills, but good luck with that.

¿All-included quality health care for life in the US? Damm, that has to be prohibitively expensive to provision. Thank God the NBA generates $8.76 billion in revenue per year.

It is pretty cut & dry, man. If Dana can blow 3 million a night on black jack and hookers, get drive way snow, then something is profoundly wrong. I get you need money to help a business grow, but a 80-20 split just pathetic when the company has a valuation of 10+ billion. It is sad that uber elite MMA fighters like T-wood and Ben Askren made more boxing a youtuber - a sport they do not even do - in one single night then they did their entire career in the UFC as champion or top of the food chain fighters. Boxing used to be like this before the Ali act: go talk to @Tim Witherspoon about the hell Don King put him thru. If promoters are rich AF and the warriors are getting dimes on the dollar, that is a huge problem.

 

[MM808]

Lol nothing will happen for these reasons:

-No fighter union. If the top paid are not at the forefront requesting change, it won’t ever happen. The fighters will never unite given the most popular fighters will not support their cause.
-The UFC had their most profitable year so why would there be any changes?
-it’s Dana White. When has he ever given in to someone out of the sport who he dislikes? It’s laughable thinking he would ever bow down to Jake.
-Jake has no leverage. Last PPV with TWood was a failure so it’s obvious Jake needs the clout so he goes after Dana again.

 

[BOTTICELLI]

Jake - shut up and fight a boxer, a 190 lb amateur cruiser weight ! Oh that's bc you'd get tooled and the big charade would be over. Go back to YouTube asshat