DDP scored 6 takedowns for a total of 2 minutes of control time. Why should that be worth anything?

[Rataria]

Takedowns matter dude , to judges. We all know it deep down . The guy on top is seen as winning the fight.

Seans haters , these so called liberals , would love the headline , "African contender defeats Ex-Skinhead magatard

 

[sdpdude9]

Because sean doesn't have eyeballs on his body to swell up for you to help you jab lovers notice good body work? Dricus did some of his best work to the body all fight. Seriously, people have boxing focused lenses and can't get over Sean's jab even when he's getting a leg slammed into his ribs at full force in rounds where they landed a similar amount of strikes. Dricus also opened a cut in round 2 -- not the big one -- a small one near the other eye, but still a cut

The round was close as shit. It's understandable to give it fo the guy that forced the fight everywhere. If you want to give it to Sean, it's fine, but surely people can see why the judges sided with dricus and why takedowns would only help dricus in these close rounds

Pretty much my take about the whole thing. It’s reasonable to give that round and/or the fight to Sean, it was very close. It’s not reasonable to say it was some injustice to give to Dricus. There is compelling arguments both ways, a reasonable person acknowledges that.

 

[IceCold ADCC]

Really? Then what else did he have over strickland, who was landing at will? Sean out struck him, landed with a higher percentage of accuracy, and clearly caused more damage.

The fact is that mma scoring is all over the place. Those takedowns did little but stall the fight.

Landing at will? Lol

Please. How about Sean put together a god damn combo. He never once had DDP in any kinda danger or even tried a shot that would be fight ending.

 

[welcometohavoc]

According to UFC fight stats DDP scored 6 takedowns for a total of 2 minutes and 8 seconds of control time. That's roughly an average of 21 seconds of control time per takedown. Why the hell should that be worth a damn thing? In my opinion if a guy gets taken down but immediately gets back up without taking damage then he effectively countered his opponents offense. Getting up from a takedown is like slipping a punch. Let's fix the criteria please

The only time it should be worth anything is if there was literally nothing else happening in the round, which in this case, there was

 

[Cobra 03]

According to UFC fight stats DDP scored 6 takedowns for a total of 2 minutes and 8 seconds of control time. That's roughly an average of 21 seconds of control time per takedown. Why the hell should that be worth a damn thing? In my opinion if a guy gets taken down but immediately gets back up without taking damage then he effectively countered his opponents offense. Getting up from a takedown is like slipping a punch. Let's fix the criteria please

I totally agree! Takedowns are much over rated, and shouldn't count for anything if the top guy doesn't get control. A guy that gets up right away, should get just as much credit as the takedown.

 

[RonDante]

It should be worth a little bit. I mean, I thought he won the second round clearly and that the third was the swing round, I had no idea people were claiming sean 1 2 5. withiut the takedown I think he still won the second off striking.

if sean had outlanded him by a large margin and then dricus got one takedown for a few seconds, I would have given it to Strickland, like I did with Allen evloev round 1. But the striking was close anyways and I edged it to dricus, plus the one takedown that carries a little bit of weight also

 

[jeff7b9]

Shadowboxing at air while getting outlanded by 2-3x in clean strikes shouldn't win you a fight.

Imagine if we gave Floyd Mayweathers opponents rounds just for being active, looking like they're doing significant.

The boxing community would be irrate.

Because it's not about throwing strikes, dancing around, moving forward, being aggressive

It's about landing.

Who landed the most strikes. Who did the most damage.

Dricus shadowboxed his way to victory.

The fact that it's so split just shows how big of a problem there is with mma scoring.

I have seen a decent amount of comments such as "Dricus was moving forward" or "Dricus' strikes pushed Sean back"

I watched last night with my tablet lagging about a second behind my TV, and the fight being very tactical, I was able to immediately review almost every exchange to see what really landed and what didn't.

In the majority of Dricus' "moving forward" punches, they were falling considerably short and either being blocked by the shoulder (primary Philly shell defensive tactic), being parried by Sean's hands, or simply missing by coming up short.

I think a lot of people, particularly people who don't know a lot about boxing, or haven't learned to differentiate between clean shots and those that are rolled or narrowly evaded, are probably thinking those shots landed.

Dricus got Sean a few times. It was a close fight, but Sean's shots, particularly his head strikes, were landing at a much higher percentage and much cleaner.

Sean's punches snapped dricus' head back a LOT in the fist half of the fight. I think people assume the punches are weak because he doesn't load up, but the reactions to the strikes landing told a very different story.

Later in the fight when Sean got tired, his punching technique went to shit and straight crisp punches which were splitting the guard in rounds 1-3 became looping straight arm ugly windmill punches which reminded me of Dominic Cruz.

 

[Fatback96]

Why do you care about the control time? That doesn’t score points anyways.

 

[ineverpost]

It wasn't just takedowns that won things for dricus. People acting like MMA is a boxing match is rather odd to me

People want to see it as a fight, I don't blame them. It's modern day gladiators but obviously society demands rules to prevent people from dying. Some of the rules and scoring criteria makes no sense in terms of judging a FIGHT. Getting punched and kicked in the face should always be the primary deciding factor of who wins a fight when guys aren't being submitted. I certainly believe that strikes from top position can be as effective or sometimes even more effective than on the feet too.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

They're not worth anything. It's not effective grappling so completely irrelevant in scoring the round.

Getting takendown can hurt, it’s not nothing on damage. It’s also at the very least position control which plays a factor if everything else is equal.

So it’s not nothing. It’s something.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Why do you care about the control time? That doesn’t score points anyways.

It scores when everything else is tied. Octagon control, aggression, plays a role when everything else is tied.

 

[Joshuaace]

Speaking in general, not about that or any particular fight.

Fair. Relative to this fight though, only 1 of those 6 td's really had potential to impact the scoring of a round, and the fight. The 1 in the 2nd rnd where they each landed 26 total strikes. SS took rd 1 even though DD had the 2 td's. DD was going to win the 4th even w/o the 3 td's. Rd. 2 is statistically close to the hypothetical you presented, and the round I see as the swing round in this fight.

Because sean doesn't have eyeballs on his body to swell up for you to help you jab lovers notice good body work?

Bodies are just as capable as faces when it comes to showing evidence of absorbed strikes. If Dricus Ribs were on his face, they would have had visible bruising after the 2nd round.

 

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[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Which can be credited to a single elbow.

It doesn't change anything about what I've said here.

Dricus won rounds by shadow boxing air and hitting takedowns that amounted to nothing while getting outlanded multiple fold. Even if they were just jabs.

DDP landed a lot of body kicks that were way more damaging than anything Sean landed.

 

[MGS]

A takedown will always be worth something, even if you spring back immediately, because your opponent forced a technique on you and effectively took you down, as simple as that. Now if you stuffed that take down, let say you sprawled and both of you got back up, you too are now even in that exchange.

Now how much a takedown is worth for each judges, that's subjective ( which it shouldn't ) and some judge could think a late takedown could steal a round for exemple. But all in all, a takedown should always be worth something.

 

[Copper Burner]

Who said Sean did more damage? More superficial damage? 1 strike can equate to superficial damage and it can be caused by glancing shots. A shot to the jaw can leave no mark and rock your world. A kick to the leg can hinder movement. A body kick can crack ribs. You can't see a lot of stuff that isn't landing to the face though.

I watched Sean's leg have trouble after one of those leg kicks but people pretend that anything other than a punch causes damage.

Again, it's MMA and Dricus landed a lot of big kicks, landed takedowns, landed punches (even if they were fewer) and pressed the action.

You're arguing that Sean didn't do more damage than Dricus? Are you blind? Dricus face was hamburger. He looked like GSP after Hendricks. He was also rocked with a solid jab that morons like you underestimate.

Meanwhile Sean's cut was from a headbutt, was never stunned because nothing (including three head kicks) landed cleanly.

Outside of the cut that was from a headbutt, Sean's face looked great. Meanwhile Dricus will be focused on taking the swelling down for a week. Who knows, maybe in a few days he may be able to see out of both eyes.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Negating the wrestling would have meant not getting taken down

not necessarily. points in wrestling are also rewarded for escapes/reversals. if DDP landed damage, went for attempts, improved position, then sure. but it never even got to any positions because sean got up right away.

 

[TheGreatA]

It's worth something. There wasn't a whole lot going on so you had to score the fight based on the few events that happened in a round. Mostly it was just Dricus plodding forward, eating a few jabs, Strickland backing away, being hit by a few glancing power shots, and taken down a couple of times.

 

[Oz.Pride]

not necessarily. points in wrestling are also rewarded for escapes/reversals. if DDP landed damage, went for attempts, improved position, then sure. but it never even got to any positions because sean got up right away.

And what did he get up from again?

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

And what did he get up from again?

an attempt to take it to the ground and enact a ground battle. more offense on the ground.