DDP lacks the strategy gene to beat Khamzat

[188912345]

Gassed DDP is the best DDP lol. Have you been watching his career? One of these guys has shown a great ability to dig deep while gassed, and it isn't khamzat.

Khamzat dug deep vs Burns and Usman, where he faced adversity and still came out on top, against vastly more experienced opponents. Also, against 2 tough stylistic match-ups.

He showed that he could still take down Burns after getting knocked down, increase his output in round 3 to win the fight on the feet. He threw 94 punches in round 3, and Burns looked more gassed.

Against Usman he was sick + injured his hand at the end of round 1, yet still took him down in rounds 2 and 3 to be able to win a decision.

Let's not pretend like either of them are helpless while gassed/tired.

 

[Copper Burner]

Gassed DDP is the best DDP lol. Have you been watching his career? One of these guys has shown a great ability to dig deep while gassed, and it isn't khamzat.

Are you talking about Khamzat or someone else? Khamzat is undefeated.

Khamzat didn't deep vs Burns?

DDP will be manhandled and defeated when he faces Khamzat. Let's do an account bet.

 

[fortheo]

Khamzat dug deep vs Burns and Usman, where he faced adversity and still came out on top, against vastly more experienced opponents. Also, against 2 tough stylistic match-ups.

He showed that he could still take down Burns after getting knocked down, increase his output in round 3 to win the fight on the feet. He threw 94 punches in round 3, and Burns looked more gassed.

Against Usman he was sick + injured his hand at the end of round 1, yet still took him down in rounds 2 and 3 to be able to win a decision.

Let's not pretend like either of them are helpless while gassed/tired.

The difference is that gassed DDP is finishing middleweights and having the defining moments of the fight while looking gassed as shit. Khamzat, when gassed, does enough to makes it to the score cards.

Like i said...ddp has proven to be better while gassed. If you haven't noticed this, then you haven't been paying attention.

That goes for @usernamee and @Copper Burner too

 

[fortheo]

Oh come on man. Rewatch the third round. If it's one thing that fight showed it's that Khamzat isn't a front runner and keeps pushing when gassed beyond belief. There was even a moment in the third round where it looked like Gilbert was wilting and was about to get finished.

Khamzat threw more strikes in round three than he did in both round one and two.

But he didn't dig deep? Alright..

I never said khamzat can't dig deep. I said one of them has a great ability to do that, and it isn't khamzat. Khamzat is okay while gassed. DDP is a finishing machine while gassed. There's a difference.

 

[188912345]

The difference is that gassed DDP is finishing middleweights and having the defining moments of the fight while looking gassed as shit. Khamzat, when gassed, does enough to makes it to the score cards.

Like i said...ddp has proven to be better while gassed. If you haven't noticed this, then you haven't been paying attention.

That goes for @usernamee and @Copper Burner too

Sure, Dricus is the top MW who has shown the highest finishing ability later on so far.
That's what makes this fight so exciting.

The argument that was repeated ad naseum without any logical basis vs Whittaker (Khamzat gasses, Rob finishes him in the later rounds), at least has a higher chance to happen vs DDP.

But I would assume Khamzat would finish most of those guys before the later rounds, given his track record. That's at least true with their one mutual opponent.

 

[mkt]

“My opinion is that DDP Khamzat is not a strategist but more of a guy who just goes in full throttle and fights like a warrior. On the other hand Khamsat DDP knows exactly what he wants to do and happens to be pretty good at doing it.”

FTFY, Jimmy

I was about to say the same. If anything, it's the opposite of what TS said. So far, DDP has found a way to win against 3 top MWs, all former champs. Khamzat has only beaten one (and no, Usman on a few days notice isn't a top MW).

 

[fortheo]

Sure, Dricus is the top MW who has shown the highest finishing ability later on so far.
That's what makes this fight so exciting.

The argument that was repeated ad naseum without any logical basis vs Whittaker (Khamzat gasses, Rob finishes him in the later rounds), at least has a higher chance to happen vs DDP.

But I would assume Khamzat would finish most of those guys before the later rounds, given his track record. That's at least true with their one mutual opponent.

I was responding to a comment suggesting that even if dricus survives the first two rounds, he may be too gassed to win, more gassed than khamzat even. in that scenario, I just can't agree that khamzat wins a war of attrition and conditioning with dricus.

I've seen more grit from dricus at the moment, and again, that isn't belittling khamzat, it is just that dricus seems to be one of the most mentally strong fighters on the roster and he does best in those grimykind of fights where both guys ate gassed. Everyone who fights him says his greatest strength is his stubbornness and desire to win, and it is pretty clear to see.

So yeah, if both guys are tired from the grappling in the early rounds, I'll be favoring dricus. I do not see khamzat winning a war of attrition and conditioning. Khamzat better finish him

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Someone tells me DDP can pull it off. I'm done counting him out. He's strong, awkward, good on the ground, still young and has cardio for days despite looking exhausted. Whittaker was defending fine until he tooth issues. I'm sure the same thing will happen with DDP but I think he'll survive and take over after.

 

[188912345]

I was responding to a comment suggesting that even if dricus survives the first two rounds, he may be too gassed to win, more gassed than khamzat even. in that scenario, I just can't agree that khamzat wins a war of attrition and conditioning with dricus.

I've seen more grit from dricus at the moment, and again, that isn't belittling khamzat, it is just that dricus seems to be one of the most mentally strong fighters on the roster and he does best in those grimykind of fights where both guys ate gassed. Everyone who fights him says his greatest strength is his stubbornness and desire to win, and it is pretty clear to see.

So yeah, if both guys are tired from the grappling in the early rounds, I'll be favoring dricus. I do not see khamzat winning a war of attrition and conditioning. Khamzat better finish him

Fair enough. Everyone gives him a pass for scraping by a split decision vs Strickland, though. Strickland is hard to finish, but so is Khamzat. And Usman.

Khamzat has actually never been finished, DDP has been finished in round 3, twice. Once by sub, once by KO.

He hasn't finished anyone later on that Khamzat wouldn't be favored to finish within 7 minutes.

I'd also say Khamzat was close to finishing Burns in round 3, where he had an increased output from earlier rounds.

I think they are both dangerous, tough fighters who have a high finishing ability, and are difficult to finish. Its just not that obvious that DDP is favored if it goes past round 1 as most people believe. Some people speak like it's a done deal if he just "weathers the storm".

I blame the media for repeating it over and over again.

 

[orca]

your right hes a warrior
but your wrong that he doesnt have strategies and just swing punches

if you watched his fights you can clearly see him trying to time takedowns every fight
he just doesnt spam takedowns or strikes

also the izzy fight showed us he smashed izzy and spam hammerfists and strikes when they clinched
given a chance he would go 100 percent do some real damage

he looked gassed in the last round but you give him an opening he would grab the opportunity
and burst

the last rd vs izzy it was amazing

 

[jimmy dakine]

I don't agree with this take at all. If you look at the Strickland fight, he was losing the first few rounds. He was getting caught playing into Sean's jab game. Later in the fight, he started to change it up. He stood in the pocket and committed to longer combinations. It was later in the combinations that he started catching Strickland and it changed the fight. I thought his willingness to change what wasn't working in the middle of the fight was noteworthy.

sure, i dont disagree, just watch a few more of his fights...and i'm not saying he has zero strategy, he just doesnt seem to come in w a specific strategy that corresponds to him watching film of an opponant

 

[jimmy dakine]

Khamzat is not a great strategist himself. Will be fun with two guys just going out to fight

well, maybe not but, but every fight he goes for the take down pretty fast

 

[jimmy dakine]

Dude, the strategy for fighting Khamzat IS weathering the storm.

i cant argue w that

 

[mkt]

If there's any MW who is durable enough to endure Khamzat's early punishment and smart/unorthodox enough to gameplan a way to beat Khamzat it's DDP.

Just because he's awkward doesn't mean he can't strategize or find a surprising way to beat almost anyone. That's what he's been doing consistently. And him being unorthodox probably gives him a better chance. It's not like fighting Izzy where you clearly know his strength and limitations. DDP can finish you on the feet or ground and often does so when he appears gassed and not doing well.

I think Strickland is the second toughest fight for Khamzat. He's better on the ground and more likely to survive there than Izzy. And he's more durable than the current version of Whittaker. But you know his gameplan and route to winning the fight.

 

[188912345]

sure, i dont disagree, just watch a few more of his fights...and i'm not saying he has zero strategy, he just doesnt seem to come in w a specific strategy that corresponds to him watching film of an opponant

He and his coaches game plan for each opponent. For example, he fought southpaw vs Whittaker to exploit his weakness against southpaw jabs.

He went for takedowns at the end of the rounds vs Strickland, and he kept up the pressure, even though he had to eat a lot of jabs.

He's just got a weird chaotic style, but he's very good. Solid everywhere, tough, good chin, fights to finish.

Still don't think he's good enough for Khamzat, but I'm not stupid enough to count him out completely.