Khamzat got his BJJ Black belt after beating DDP, in reality he should have been demoted to a Purple belt.

maximus__ said:
I think this gets forgotten to be honest. DDP was in game ending positions and Khamzat couldn't get it done.

He took 500 strikes and didn't really take much damage because he just kept moving.

He would probably still be there under Khamzat fighting right now, if the fight didn't have rounds...
Khamzat can wrestle, DDP is tough.Khamzat won under the UFCs rules, but my god it's not going to go well for him when he runs into a better wrestler.
Too bad that doesn't really exist in his weightclass. 170 would be tougher for him, that move to 185 was brilliant.
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It's hard to get it done in those game ending positions when the "victim" is playing 100% defense and not trying to risk ANYTHING to get himself out of there and is instead content on riding out the entire round if need be.
 
usernamee said:
It's hard to get it done in those game ending positions when the "victim" is playing 100% defense and not trying to risk ANYTHING to get himself out of there and is instead content on riding out the entire round if need be.
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Bingo. I've seen a few videos of strong BJJ-players explaining this exact fact.

It's funny how most sherdoggers just blames the guy who was dominating instead of the guy being dominated.
 
188912345 said:
Bingo. I've seen a few videos of strong BJJ-players explaining this exact fact.

It's funny how most sherdoggers just blames the guy who was dominating instead of the guy being dominated.
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I haven't seen those videos but that pleases me because I've seen several videos of other kinds of experts who I usually find have very sensible takes completely miss this.

@188912345 mind linking one of those videos?
 
188912345 said:
Bingo. I've seen a few videos of strong BJJ-players explaining this exact fact.

It's funny how most sherdoggers just blames the guy who was dominating instead of the guy being dominated.
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I'd like to see those idiots in the same position lol. Hard to choke a guy whose physique is two bowling balls with a head on top of it. DDP has no neck
 
KavkazDominance said:
Genius take from somebody who obviously never grappled.

A lot of the BJJ black belts are mostly good in their guard (which is a misconception, jiu-jitsu isn't just about playing guard or passing it), as for the dominant positions, most of those black belts do not have good riding and top control (because their wrestling isn't that good) so they go for subs where they fail it most of the times and lose position because the other guy successfully scrambles and stand up.

On the other side you got Chimaev who is not willing to go for subs because he can maintain a dominant position due to his wrestling skills (hey you think control is not a part of bjj and only exists in wrestling?). Not to mention you acting like crucifix is a position where you can easily hit subs when it's more efficient for gnp lol.

If you are judging jiu-jitsu based on if you can submit somebody or not, by your very own logic he should have been demoted to a white belt.

Now it's hard to judge what belt he should be because he takes from BJJ just enough to complete his wrestling game... it's like if you put a boxer in Glory kickboxing and he knocks everybody out with just his boxing and a few kicks which begs the question: is he a good kickboxer if he can beat very good kickboxers?
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Chimaev also went for K guard and leglocks against Rockhold. As you said bjj has terrible fundamentals. Like they don't Reach rides, turtle the right way.Most of the black belts are light on top in turtle, when good MMA grappler is in turtle it's very exhausting and i comfortable. Chimaev would submit 99% of the black belts.
 
I doubt Khamzat is going to win ADCC or black belt worlds without a few years focusing strictly on jiu jitsu but that doesn't mean he's not worthy of a black belt.

If Islam aint questioning "who give him dis?", I aint either.
 
Dricus put 100% effort into sub defense. He gave Khamzat no opportunities to go for subs, but screwed himself over because he left himself no way to get back to his feet.
 
DDP supposedly had a black belt but from the way he performed it must have been awarded at one of the Mc-dojos.
 
usernamee said:
I haven't seen those videos but that pleases me because I've seen several videos of other kinds of experts who I usually find have very sensible takes completely miss this.

@188912345 mind linking one of those videos?
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Sure, here is one.

Khamzat-fight is at the end, around 10-15 mins.
 
KavkazDominance said:
Genius take from somebody who obviously never grappled.

A lot of the BJJ black belts are mostly good in their guard (which is a misconception, jiu-jitsu isn't just about playing guard or passing it), as for the dominant positions, most of those black belts do not have good riding and top control (because their wrestling isn't that good) so they go for subs where they fail it most of the times and lose position because the other guy successfully scrambles and stand up.

On the other side you got Chimaev who is not willing to go for subs because he can maintain a dominant position due to his wrestling skills (hey you think control is not a part of bjj and only exists in wrestling?). Not to mention you acting like crucifix is a position where you can easily hit subs when it's more efficient for gnp lol.

If you are judging jiu-jitsu based on if you can submit somebody or not, by your very own logic he should have been demoted to a white belt.

Now it's hard to judge what belt he should be because he takes from BJJ just enough to complete his wrestling game... it's like if you put a boxer in Glory kickboxing and he knocks everybody out with just his boxing and a few kicks which begs the question: is he a good kickboxer if he can beat very good kickboxers?
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That’s a lot of words to say “he was content with taking zero risks, laying and praying and doing nothing to win”.

I mean, yeah he won. You can’t take that away from him and he was clearly the much better fighter but he didn’t try to do anything in there. Awful performance
 
methrogenn said:
Khamzat had a dozen chances to submit DDP, he had DDP in a crucifix 5 times, had his back 3-4 times & had mount 2 times but could barely do any damage or sub DDP.

Khamzat also struggled to sub Usman even though he had his back & got lucky against Rob because Rob is a fatty who ruined his teeth by eating Tim Tams & Sour Patch Kids.

BJJ coaches should stop making a mockery of the belt system, there is no way Khamzat deserved his black belt after this performance.
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Pink belt demotion for humping another man and loving the position.
 
Apart from the choke it seems khamzat doesn't really have any other submissions. His grappling more than makes up for it though.
 
egk said:
DDP supposedly had a black belt but from the way he performed it must have been awarded at one of the Mc-dojos.
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I was going to say, should DDP be demoted too? He got out grappled for 24 minutes by a guy that “should” be a purple belt, at least according to TS.
 
Its an mma-bjj black belt. It's not that deep. He ain't winning worlds any time soon but he's still a beast
 
there are very few legit black belts in the ufc

khamzat is not one of them, dricus CERTAINLY aint one of them either
 
Couture got a black belt from Melanson after subbing James Tony. So it's usually one of those things that's preplanned if the fighter wins. If DDP is a black belt, then Khamzat certainly deserves one as well.
 
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