Dana's Unwritten Rule

[Soggust]

What Fight the man did not fight?

The one that he was contracted for, trained for, promoted for and showed up for.

I mean, according to your logic, why not just schedule every single fighter on the roster for each PPV and let them know who's fighting when they show up?

Then you never have to worry about a backup fighter situation because you always got people on standby since you only have to pay them when they fight.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Wonderboy aint about it like that. He thinks he should never have to face a grappler again en route to a title shot.

Tell me more, o'mind-reader

 

[HHJ]

Tell me more, o'mind-reader

Never stray from the way. Say your 5 Hail Fedors!

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

You're better than this sir.

Eh, most times. Other times, he just gets in some psycho-viking mood and just goes full oppositional for a while. I think it's just a withdrawal from exciting events. He'll be good again in a few days.

Never stray from the way. Say your 5 Hail Fedors!

Exhibit A

 

[Soggust]

So all the other times it happens everywhere else all over the world it doesn't count. Got it. Only when it happens to Wonderbread. It's only his life that's on the line.

The Whataboutism is a weird take when comparing monopolies to other organizations.

Like, the NBA shouldn't have worried about their ref corruption scandal because there are D3 college games getting rigged as well? - edit i dont like this example in hindsight bc game integrity diff than payout issues but im too lazy to think of something diff so whatever skip to next point

Even if we say that all organizations should obviously be criticized equally - the reason we are criticizing the UFC in this case is because......[checks forum title]......We in the UFC Discussion thread, right?

 

[HHJ]

We in the UFC Discussion thread, right?

Cmon thats a cop out. People make Dana out to be the ultimate evil and never talk about the others simply cos they arent open about what they do/afraid of the audience reaction. Dana isnt. So People are acting so outraged and pissed,but they are kind of full of shit imo because they only care about it when its dropped at their feet.

"as long as u guys hide it,its ok"

 

[Xuh]

lol

You mean every fight promoter thats ever existed.

not in Japan....

 

[Soggust]

Cmon thats a cop out. People make Dana out to be the ultimate evil and never talk about the others simply cos they arent open about what they do/afraid of the audience reaction. Dana isnt. So People are acting so outraged and pissed,but they are kind of full of shit imo because they only care about it when its dropped at their feet.

"as long as u guys hide it,its ok"

I guess that's fair. I can't really speak for others, but I shit on Dana and the UFC all the time (like - nonstop lol), but I can also say I like/respect Dana and I think he's arguably the GOAT promoter of any "sport".

He makes me laugh and I will 100% of the time watch the post-fight conference and almost any interview he's in, just to listen to him.

So, I guess I feel like there is a place that some people can criticize him often without really hating him - but to your point, I'm not everyone and there is obv a huge contingent of truly anti-Dana people here.

It's just a Vince McMahon thing to me. Yeah, he makes shrewd and sometimes even shitty decisions imo, but at the end of the day - he's really just a figurehead for the company's decisions.

And if it were the same discussion in a Bellator/One/PFL thread, I do think I would have the same perspective personally.

But you would agree that he does kind of bring the heat on himself as opposed to others who are afraid of the audience reaction, so we just here to provide it lol.

 

[HHJ]

not in Japan....

In Japan they pay guys who dont fight??

 

[HHJ]

I guess that's fair. I can't really speak for others, but I shit on Dana and the UFC all the time (like - nonstop lol), but I can also say I like/respect Dana and I think he's arguably the GOAT promoter of any "sport".

He makes me laugh and I will 100% of the time watch the post-fight conference and almost any interview he's in, just to listen to him.

So, I guess I feel like there is a place that some people can criticize him often without really hating him - but to your point, I'm not everyone and there is obv a huge contingent of truly anti-Dana people here.

It's just a Vince McMahon thing to me. Yeah, he makes shrewd and sometimes even shitty decisions imo, but at the end of the day - he's really just a figurehead for the company's decisions.

And if it were the same discussion in a Bellator/One/PFL thread, I do think I would have the same perspective personally.

But you would agree that he does kind of bring the heat on himself as opposed to others who are afraid of the audience reaction, so we just here to provide it lol.

I respect him more for saying shit like "If you dont like it,too fuckin bad"

Cos you know thats how he really feels. He aint lyin when he is sayin that. But the other promoters
would crumble if people started on them for the same shit. They dont though. Cos the ppl complaining the loudest are full of shit and dont REALLY care. They are just being reactionary to whatever "thread of the day" or Ariel soapbox gossip popped up.

No one says this in boxing cos boxing fans are like "yeah DUH,we know that already"

 

[Soggust]

I respect him more for saying shit like "If you dont like it,too fuckin bad"

Cos you know thats how he really feels. He aint lyin when he is sayin that. But the other promoters
would crumble if people started on them for the same shit. They dont though. Cos they are full of shit and dont REALLY care. They are just being reactionary to whatever "thread of the day" or Ariel soapbox gossip popped up.

No one says this in boxing cos boxing fans are like "yeah DUH,we know that already"

His reaction to Izzy's "n-bomb" interview after the DDP fight should go in the UFC Hall of Fame lol.

 

[Nigelbro]

For every pound your opponent misses weight, you should be allowed one extra sponsor on your shorts.

Dana would solve the weight draining issue immediately.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

There is an unwritten rule, to Dana, that even if your opponent misses weight, you either take the fight anyway, or take another fight ASAP. Many precedents have been set. Just recently, Khamzat missed weight by a whole lot, and Nate did the companyman thing and fought someone else on the same card. Most fighters still fight, accepting a percentage of their missed-weight opponent as compensation. What Wonderboy did in choosing not to fight Pereira was break Dana's unwritten rule. That's why he didn't get paid, even though he and a lot of people think he should have.

Opinions?

I think the rule of thumb is if your opponent misses you get offered their purse percentage, if you turn it down you don't get paid. However if you accept the fight and the commission doesn't allow it to go ahead you get paid.

 

[HHJ]

His reaction to Izzy's "n-bomb" interview after the DDP fight should go in the UFC Hall of Fame lol.

The dude knows how to handle the media,thats for sure.

 

[HHJ]

I think the rule of thumb is if your opponent misses you get offered their purse percentage, if you turn it down you don't get paid. However if you accept the fight and the commission doesn't allow it to go ahead you get paid.

Right.

If the fight can still go on w financial compensation and you say no

and wont accept another opponent either?

Ok they prob arent gonna pay you.

 

[HHJ]

Dana would solve the weight draining issue immediately.

Nothin gonna solve that bro. 99% of the time,these guys try to make weight and fuck it up. Its not like they did intentionally

Dudes doing it intentionally is alot less common,cos that is a big risk to their reputation and wallet.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

So all the other times it happens everywhere else all over the world it doesn't count. Got it. Only when it happens to Wonderbread. It's only his life that's on the line.

I just said every org does it and is just as corrupt.

We just so happen to be talking about the guy it recently happened to. Obviously every fighter is putting their life on the line and getting screwed out of money they deserve.

if it wasn’t for WB this thread wouldn’t exist, it’s why we are discussing the subject. Do you literally think we shouldn’t talk about the main example of a thread dedicated to discussing this specifically?

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

He should be reimbursed for the expenses. I don't know the exact amount, but that was promised. It will be up to Thompson to disclose the sum and whether it has been fulfilled, but it's not like he ended up with nothing.

Expenses aren’t earnings.

If you spend 3 months spending money to complete a job and then the day before the job is finished they tell you they want a completely new job your expenses far exceed materials.

The time, energy, and suffering you put in working for 3 months can’t ever be reimbursed, so what do you have to show for it in the end?

You are literally arguing they should be reimbursed expenses - while it’s better then nothing, it would still leave them with a net income of zero for 3 months of hard work doing everything right (and the promotion made money off you by using your name to sell tickets, promote the card, etc.).

He should be paid - the money was already allocated and he fulfilled every aspect of his contract (on weight to fight a specific opponent). Now he’s being asked to either lose money or take an extraordinary high risk/low reward fight - how is that fair?

 

[Shaddows]

There is an unwritten rule, to Dana, that even if your opponent misses weight, you either take the fight anyway, or take another fight ASAP. Many precedents have been set. Just recently, Khamzat missed weight by a whole lot, and Nate did the companyman thing and fought someone else on the same card. Most fighters still fight, accepting a percentage of their missed-weight opponent as compensation. What Wonderboy did in choosing not to fight Pereira was break Dana's unwritten rule. That's why he didn't get paid, even though he and a lot of people think he should have.

Opinions?

Sorry, but there's no written rule at all.
It is obvious that Dana does whatever the fuck he wants, depending if he likes/dislikes the fighter.

In reality, the "set" rule in place is simple.
If you are a replacement fighter, you have to make weight. If you do, REGARDLESS IF YOU FIGHT, you should get the "show money".

There is not (and should NEVER be) any contract where the fighter who made weight is obligated to fight the fighter who missed weight.
It has ALWAYS been the fighter's decision (the fighter who made weight, not the replacement's). And if he choses NOT to fight, then HE gets his show money and no one gets the "win" money.

But if there's a set replacement, I believe the fighter (who made weight) CANNOT simply choose not fight the replacement (since they knew they had a replacement). Refusing to fight should be a punishment on that fighter, not the replacement.
If he made the weight, she should get paid. As simple as that.

The problem here is that we all know hoe greedy the bald fuck is. He bullies the fighters into fight, and if they chose against it, they pay the consequences. What will he do? He's stuck in a contract. Most will do as Dana tells them. Others take their chances

 

[Sasha]

Get it in your contract what you are paid if your opponent misses weight

The fact that this isn't the case to begin with, and that the guy can only hope the UFC is gonna be nice doesn't make much sense to me.
Those guys really have zero negotiating power right ? That's quite sad.