Dana's Unwritten Rule

[StonedLemur]

Conor fought a fuckin wrestler,and a dude who is impossible to knock out on very little notice.

Cos he about that money.

Wonderboy aint about it like that. He thinks he should never have to face a grappler again en route to a title shot.

The fight where Frankie was already in a training camp for another fight and yet they chose Mendes on a 2 week notice?

That one?

If Frankie got him on the ground he wouldn't have died from trying to hit Conor like Mendes did.
That's exactly why they picked Chad.

You're better than this sir.

 

[ForeverYoung]

The thing with Wonderboy is hes one of the higher tier guys on the payroll. He most likely doesn't even make "show" money anymore just a lump sum and Dana's right it'd be crazy to throw 250,000 dollars at a guy for not fighting.

 

[StonedLemur]

Fuck dana and his unwritten rules, what ever the fuck that is supposed to mean.

There's a whole fashion show of a designer putting the tape on the chicks on the runway.

Its fascinating in the best bouncy way sir lol.

 

[jeff7b9]

Get it in your contract what you are paid if your opponent misses weight

This is where this clusterfuck needs to go.

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This idea that you owe it to the company to fight a guy that didn't make weight is bullshit.

The entire point of contract is to flush out the details of an agreement, these contracts need to address this frequent occurrence and how it is to be handled.

30-75% of show money sounds fair to me.

Or maybe a sliding scale of 25-50% if another reasonable fight can be made in <3 months

If not then 75% of show.


The guy who made weight and did his job and held his end of the deal has to not be the party getting fucked.

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Perhaps also the guy who missed weight should have to:

A) Fight a lower ranked opponent next to "defend their rank"
B) go up in weight

 

[podsox]

This is where this clusterfuck needs to go.

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This idea that you owe it to the company to fight a guy that didn't make weight is bullshit.

The entire point of contract is to flush out the details of an agreement, these contracts need to address this frequent occurrence and how it is to be handled.

30-75% of show money sounds fair to me.

Or maybe a sliding scale of 25-50% if another reasonable fight can be made in <3 months

If not then 75% of show.


The guy who made weight and did his job and held his end of the deal has to not be the party getting fucked.

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Perhaps also the guy who missed weight should have to:

A) Fight a lower ranked opponent next to "defend their rank"
B) go up in weight

To make up some of the difference put it in fighters contracts that their entire contract is cut by 30% if they miss weight. Not just 1 fight. It would stop the bullshit extreme weight cutting fast. It’s the one thing you actually have full control of going into a fight

 

[HHJ]

Not that Dana would’ve paid him anyways, but Conor didn’t make weight for the RDA fight and then have RDA fail to make weight/pull-out the day before - Apples to Oranges comparison.

I see both sides - the UFC paid for a fight, the fighter already sunk a ton of time and money investing in a fight which is in jeopardy through no fault of their own.

It really should be in the contract that if the opponent misses weight by more than 1.5 lbs the fighter that did make weight should be able to pull out and get paid their show money.

It’s up to the fighter to gauge the risk/reward - what good is getting 20-30% of someone’s purse if they break your face because they didn’t make weight? You risk physical damage and financial damage (losing one fight affects all future earning capabilities that far exceeds a small percentage of one fight purse).

As usual the UFC wants to have all the leverage and have the fighters take all the risk…..is normal.

Does bellator, pfl,one,glory,or k-1 have this in their contracts???

 

[HHJ]

The fight where Frankie was already in a training camp for another fight and yet they chose Mendes on a 2 week notice?

That one?

If Frankie got him on the ground he wouldn't have died from trying to hit Conor like Mendes did.
That's exactly why they picked Chad.

You're better than this sir.

So what? That was the best decision they could ever make.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

There is an unwritten rule, to Dana, that even if your opponent misses weight, you either take the fight anyway, or take another fight ASAP. Many precedents have been set. Just recently, Khamzat missed weight by a whole lot, and Nate did the companyman thing and fought someone else on the same card. Most fighters still fight, accepting a percentage of their missed-weight opponent as compensation. What Wonderboy did in choosing not to fight Pereira was break Dana's unwritten rule. That's why he didn't get paid, even though he and a lot of people think he should have.

Opinions?

I believe you are correct.
Expect 1 page replies saying he made weight, fulfilled his end of the contract, was a professional, paid for a fight camp, the other guy missed weight blah blah blah.
Fight or go home.
Pontification loses EVERY time to reality.

 

[HHJ]

It's a situation that makes the UFC looks bad, and the fact that they have Dana as the spokesperson only makes it look even more bush-league than it already is.

But it doesnt make all the other promotions and fight sports that do the same thing bad?

 

[HHJ]

Paying Wonderboy actually isn't enough. Now that this tactic is exposed in public, the fighters should all take the UFC to court and UFC should pay every fighter that made weight and their opponent missed and the fight was cancelled. These fighters need to stick up against the complete control the UFC has.

lmao

 

[HHJ]

UFC! UFC! UFC!

Dana White! Dana White! Dana White!

Bellator! Bellator! Bellator!

Scott Coker! Scott Coker! Scott Coker!

 

[HHJ]

Not that Dana would’ve paid him anyways, but Conor didn’t make weight for the RDA fight and then have RDA fail to make weight/pull-out the day before - Apples to Oranges comparison.

I see both sides - the UFC paid for a fight, the fighter already sunk a ton of time and money investing in a fight which is in jeopardy through no fault of their own.

It really should be in the contract that if the opponent misses weight by more than 1.5 lbs the fighter that did make weight should be able to pull out and get paid their show money.

It’s up to the fighter to gauge the risk/reward - what good is getting 20-30% of someone’s purse if they break your face because they didn’t make weight? You risk physical damage and financial damage (losing one fight affects all future earning capabilities that far exceeds a small percentage of one fight purse).

As usual the UFC wants to have all the leverage and have the fighters take all the risk…..is normal.

But not all the other promotions and fight sports. Its only the UFC doing this right???

 

[HHJ]

It would stop the bullshit extreme weight cutting fast.

No it wouldnt.

 

[1s1k]

I think it’s fine to not pay the full purse if a fighter declines but they need to give someone at that level a nice chunk to pay for all the expenses leading up to the fight whatever that may be.

Otherwise if you get full pay for not fighting why in the hell would you fight anyone. That’s free money with no damage and no risk of losing.

The only reason to fight would be if you get 50% or more of the other fighters pay on top of yours to entice you to fight someone way overweight. I don’t think they get anywhere near 50%.

 

[Cartiac]

Two reasons: First, Sherdog's memory makes a goldfish's look eidetic, and second, Sherdog's follow-the-leader mentality makes lemmings look like independent thinkers.

In short, it's the trendy thing to whine about, and no one bothers to remember if it has or hasn't happened before.

Very wise words. The tendency of people to herd together against success is what makes us so repeatedly susceptible to the control of a single evil person.

 

[HaulParris]

But it doesnt make all the other promotions and fight sports that do the same thing bad?

It's a bad look for any promotion / league - my point is that having a belligerent and foul-mouthed guy in a t-shirt be the one to explain the situation to the fans and the media only compounds it.

 

[HHJ]

It's a bad look for any promotion / league - my point is that having a belligerent and foul-mouthed guy in a t-shirt be the one to explain the situation to the fans and the media only compounds it.

Not really. He is just saying what's what.

People dont ask Coker about this because no one gives a shit about Bellator doing the same thing or anything he has to say. It was all invented by Dana himself to do this obviously!

In Boxing they dont ask because they know better already.

 

[El Fernas]

Get it in your contract what you are paid if your opponent misses weight

This. Some AC's take care of this too, this thing needs to end.

 

[El Fernas]

Conor Mcgregor: Hey Dana,RDA pulled outta da fight? Can u pay me? Cos I can make weight real easy. Just pull yez millions out,and i'll go home. What's the fookin difference?

Context matters a lot, Conor was headlining and for him it was better to get a replacement and fight than for Wonderboy to get a replacement or even worst, fight Pereira at a disadvantage, not the same thing, Nate got an easier fight too, he was in for a beating, got out on a win.

 

[Trabaho]

Get it in your contract what you are paid if your opponent misses weight

The UFC want write that in a contract