Media Dan Hooker says the UFC and USADA are punishing him for IV allegations

[Willek]

Dude has 15 losses on his record and will be most known for “Charlie Olives”.

 

[maximus__]

Maybe he deserved his ranking at a point and time, but Dan Hooker is not a good fighter, it is very clear from his performances and fighting style for the division of Lightweight.

You claiming he has more rank losses than wins compared to Islam or Khabib is a null argument, a lot of fighters were denying Khabib & Islam of those top fights at the time. Let's be honest here for a moment,Khabib or Islam would have always beat Gaethje & Poirier and the rest of the top 5 if given the chance. It's always about styles and some of the fighters at the top of lightweight are just a horrible fighting style against Khabib or Islam.

Hooker is not a good fighter, time will tell & show it. He lacks so much skill compared to the rest of the lightweight division, he will never capture or be a number 1 contender for gold in any weight class.

I get it, exciting fighters are fun to watch, but you have to distinguish skilled fighters to fun to watch fighters like Hooker eventually. Hooker is only talked about due to his association with the Oz/Nz fighters. HE IS NOT A GOOD FIGHTER. Quote me on that. He will fade in the next year or so because he sucks. I'm sorry, for fighter bashing but sometimes it needs to be said.

No it's just revisionist history. Khabib was one of my favourite fighters to watch, but him and Islam have some of the most ranked fight pullouts of anyone we have seen get to the belt. They were brought up like boxers. People weren't ducking them, they literally would only fight for certain periods of the year and would pull out regularly at certain points within their careers. Islam in particular has only been active recently and it got him the belt off multiple short notice fights.

Khabib has pulled out of half as many fights as he fought during his whole UFC career and was out for 3 years with an injury. Islam until recently was exactly the same with 1/3 of his fights resulting in pulling out for various reasons, including a PED failure that was overturned. All these fights for both were fights that would have advanced them in the rankings each time and been breakout fights if they made it to the cage.

Both great fighters, but people weren't ducking them. They wanted to fight up in rank without taking any short notice risk themselves but expected their opponents to do whatever they wanted. Call it what it is.

Hooker on the other hand isn't pulling out. He has taken short notice fights, with long travel, against bad matchups. He has fought the top of the division and done well against the striking based fighters. He definitely over achieved, but atleast he actually is willing to fight people and put on a show for us regardless of the outcome. Yeah he has flaws, but we need these guys in MMA. Not everyone can be the champion. He has only lost to 3 non interim/champions within the UFC. THat's a respectable record and shows he is respectable fighter considering who he has fought.

 

[maximus__]

I don’t think that, this tweet is someting official or Islam and his Team telling he did not use IVs, what @maximus__ meant?

We literally had a week were he didn't respond, but everyone linked to him was posting stuff like this or justifying IV usage.

As I said I believed he used one with the now known UFC guidelines and didn't respond until he cleared it up with the UFC.
They aren't going to ASADA Islam if the UFC tells them it's ok, because they will never see another UFC in Western Australia if they do.
That's why we had a week of silence when all Islam had to do is say "I didn't use an IV in Australia." He was active on social media that week going back and forth with Volk(remember he gave Volk the last minute of the fight). Just address it in their twitter back and forth, all the comments were about the IV usage which was explained as blood tests pre fight.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

It took an entire week as you said. During that time he had other interviews with no mention of it, we had people coming out and saying it was legal in certain amounts and everything but a denial of IV use in a single state of Australia where any use is illegal . My issue is why didn't someone just ask him the question when it was being mentioned and shut it down quickly? He did do an official interview when he got back to Russia apparently.That was the first time anyone even addressed it.

No it didn't take an entire week. I listed the details. I can list them more accurately if it's a struggle for you to timeline

Islam posted a mocking video asking if Australia was upset within hours of Dan's salt. The same day, his manager was responding to everything calling the accusations lies. Within 24 hours of the tweet, was already disproving the 'needle mark' bullshit too. Islam did an interview within 3 days of the accusations saying that he's all clear of any suspicion with the UFC and USADA and that the commission tested him and that other fighters were pushing a narrative. Then he had the interview within the week of the accusations directly denying the IV use when asked.

At exactly what point was any of that less than what was needed? Hooker has a bitchfit on twitter, so Islam laughed, because that's all the accusations required. I've got people here asking for "official statements" in the face of a fucking twitter rant, but for some reason, his agent immediately calling it all out as lies and responding to specific accusations like the bloodwork on the same platform doesn't count? What exactly should Islam have done? Called a press conference on a day's notice cuz someone tweeted about him?

They're not under-responding to this whole thing. It's everyone else, including yourself, overresponding to a single Twitter accusation playing cutesy 'boy who cried wolf' shit with "Hey, I have evidence that could maybe even get my friend's loss overturned, but that's not a good enough reason for me to release it apparently." I really hope that either you weren't aware of all the levels of response from Islam's team, or else you need to be able to step back from this situation and realize how stupid whatever expectations you might have are, cuz otherwise, there's no helping you.

 

[maximus__]

No it didn't take an entire week. I listed the details. I can list them more accurately if it's a struggle for you to timeline

Islam posted a mocking video asking if Australia was upset within hours of Dan's salt. The same day, his manager was responding to everything calling the accusations lies. Within 24 hours of the tweet, was already disproving the 'needle mark' bullshit too. Islam did an interview within 3 days of the accusations saying that he's all clear of any suspicion with the UFC and USADA and that the commission tested him and that other fighters were pushing a narrative. Then he had the interview within the week of the accusations directly denying the IV use when asked.

At exactly what point was any of that less than what was needed? Hooker has a bitchfit on twitter, so Islam laughed, because that's all the accusations required. I've got people here asking for "official statements" in the face of a fucking twitter rant, but for some reason, his agent immediately calling it all out as lies and responding to specific accusations like the bloodwork on the same platform doesn't count? What exactly should Islam have done? Called a press conference on a day's notice cuz someone tweeted about him?

They're not under-responding to this whole thing. It's everyone else, including yourself, overresponding to a single Twitter accusation playing cutesy 'boy who cried wolf' shit with "Hey, I have evidence that could maybe even get my friend's loss overturned, but that's not a good enough reason for me to release it apparently." I really hope that either you weren't aware of all the levels of response from Islam's team, or else you need to be able to step back from this situation and realize how stupid whatever expectations you might have are, cuz otherwise, there's no helping you.

My understanding of the timeline was much longer than that. We never got anything saying "i didn't use an IV" until about 7 days in from memory. Again I could be wrong, but I gave my opinion that he used one within the allowable guidelines most didn't know about. I am not naive enough to believe any fighter isn't using IVs within the allowable amounts considering I have used them post hang over. The hardest part would be sourcing the fluids in a new country with a commision that isn't supportive of this rule. My guess someone linked to Islam sourced IVs, they saw the blood test marks and made the assumption, hence no proof Islam used one and it being shut down. We also wouldn't be told under the current rules until an investigation was finalised uless the athlete released the results. We had the local AC say they aren't investigating any matters currently which is close to shutting it down.

People make it out like running an IV is ridiculously hard. It's not a hard thing to achieve at all. Most MMA fighters would have a guy in camp that could sort them out if required.

 

[Strijfy]

Is it legal?
-USADA has a general ban, but allows a certain extremely limited amount, and has an exception for medical intervention.
-However, the athletic commission has no such exception. Using it would be against their rules.
Did he do it?
It's unknown if he used an IV.
-Ali incorrectly cited the USADA exception policy, Rizvan called the accusations lies, and Islam directly said he didn't use IV at all, not even the exception argument.
-Hooker claims he's had the evidence and can prove it for over a month but says he won't until Islam denies it, which already happened.
-The commission stated that no formal complaint was made and the UFC cited that.
-USADA has stated that they would now investigate

Edit* I should add: USADA's investigation does not seem to be prompted off a format complaint or established evidence in any way, just that they're investigating because of the public statements/accusations, and that there are reports that if guilt is found, Islam could be subject to stripping and 2 year suapension

The mods should close this thread after your reply here , no need for anymore uneducated or unresearched responses. Question has been answered.

 

[Conan the K-9]

We literally had a week were he didn't respond, but everyone linked to him was posting stuff like this or justifying IV usage.

As I said I believed he used one with the now known UFC guidelines and didn't respond until he cleared it up with the UFC.
They aren't going to ASADA Islam if the UFC tells them it's ok, because they will never see another UFC in Western Australia if they do.
That's why we had a week of silence when all Islam had to do is say "I didn't use an IV in Australia." He was active on social media that week going back and forth with Volk(remember he gave Volk the last minute of the fight). Just address it in their twitter back and forth, all the comments were about the IV usage which was explained as blood tests pre fight.

According to Joe Lopez in his interview with Daily Mail, they did not use IVs under these updated USADA rules.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/m...ting-allegations-against-Islam-Makhachev.html

This was new info for me.
Lopez believes rules were probably broken, but it will be hard to prove.

'Apparently, when the girl came [from the IV delivery service] there they wanted her to drop off the bags [and leave], but she said she couldn't. It was against the company policy,' said Lopez.
'They [The Russian team] said, they wanted her to put some vitamins into the IV bag and she said "I don't know what that is, I'm not doing it".

'Those guys are pretty intimidating and started putting the bounce on her and she rang her boss and the boss said just leave the bags and get out of there, and that's what they've done.'

At least it seems that there was no doctor or nurse to administer the drip, and there was no TUE.

 

[SteelEz]

According to Joe Lopez in his interview with Daily Mail, they did not use IVs under these updated USADA rules.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/m...ting-allegations-against-Islam-Makhachev.html

This was new info for me.
Lopez believes rules were probably broken, but it will be hard to prove.

'Apparently, when the girl came [from the IV delivery service] there they wanted her to drop off the bags [and leave], but she said she couldn't. It was against the company policy,' said Lopez.
'They [The Russian team] said, they wanted her to put some vitamins into the IV bag and she said "I don't know what that is, I'm not doing it".

'Those guys are pretty intimidating and started putting the bounce on her and she rang her boss and the boss said just leave the bags and get out of there, and that's what they've done.'

At least it seems that there was no doctor or nurse to administer the drip, and there was no TUE.

Lol, they can administer IVs themselves but they can't put some vitamins in the bags, and had to get the "delivery girl" to put them. And it's a delivery girl now, not a nurse as per Hooker's claims.

"Those guys are pretty intimidating". What a load of crap. Anyone who sees this and doesn't think of it as a usual anti-russian stereotypical fear mongering nonsense is either a 4 year old child or a fucking cold war boomer who probably still thinks it was them Russians who fucked his wife and made her run away.

 

[Noraaq]

Dan Hooker being acting weird as hell lately

 

[Conan the K-9]

Lol, they can administer IVs themselves but they can't put some vitamins in the bags, and had to get the "delivery girl" to put them. And it's a delivery girl now, not a nurse as per Hooker's claims.

"Those guys are pretty intimidating". What a load of crap. Anyone who sees this and doesn't think of it as a usual anti-russian stereotypical fear mongering nonsense is either a 4 year old child or a fucking cold war boomer who probably still thinks it was them Russians who fucked his wife and made her run away.

Ok, but that’s just your intepretatiton.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

According to Joe Lopez in his interview with Daily Mail, they did not use IVs under these updated USADA rules.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/m...ting-allegations-against-Islam-Makhachev.html

This was new info for me.
Lopez believes rules were probably broken, but it will be hard to prove.

'Apparently, when the girl came [from the IV delivery service] there they wanted her to drop off the bags [and leave], but she said she couldn't. It was against the company policy,' said Lopez.
'They [The Russian team] said, they wanted her to put some vitamins into the IV bag and she said "I don't know what that is, I'm not doing it".

'Those guys are pretty intimidating and started putting the bounce on her and she rang her boss and the boss said just leave the bags and get out of there, and that's what they've done.'

At least it seems that there was no doctor or nurse to administer the drip, and there was no TUE.

Well now there's some actual detail.

First things first, I would recommend anyone take the daily mail with not just a grain, but a heaping of salt, cuz they're just barely better than those "Alien stole my husband's skin" supermarket tabloids, so I would have preferred if they had a video interview.

But a question that brings up for me, if true, is that: if it is a delivery service and not a medical professional like nurse or doctor, would that seem to dump any previous claims people were making that they can't just come out with the info because of patient confidentiality and potential lawsuits? The privacy laws of Western Australia are already way different from America (no specific privacy legislation), so if the "receipts" are on hand, like Hooker suggests, what would be preventing him from going public other than his weird demands?

 

[Conan the K-9]

Well now there's some actual detail.

But a question that brings up for me, if true, is that: if it is a delivery service and not a medical professional like nurse or doctor, would that seem to dump any previous claims people were making that they can't just come out with the info because of patient confidentiality and potential lawsuits?

https://driphydration.com/coverage-areas/australia/perth/

As far as I have understand, it is a medical professional who delivers and administers the drips.
The russian Team wanted to ad something (unkown) to the drip, and as a medical professional she said, that she will not do that, because she does not know what that is. And at that point she called her supervisor, who advised her to get out of there and just leave that. Then they can’t talk about it because of the law.

So if it went like that, then there was no medical professional to administer the IV and they did it them selves (like Costa with his brother).
If there comes out more to this, they could easily blame Zubaira now, when he is anyway cut from the UFC.

 

[baconCrunch]

hooker is so annoying.
he needs to shut up and concentrate on why he's loses so often.

 

[Mind Mine]

When Dan Hooker has people believing him in a way that could have an impact on Islam’s career or people actually believed the UFC was going to do anything even if true then maybe I would understand how this story developed the legs it did. I don’t believe either one of those two factors and he also didn’t get caught doing anything. Basically Hooker just looks goofy at this point and I imagine they are going to treat him like a goof. Meanwhile other fighters are minding their business cheating in peace and Dan is making the block hot.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Does USADA not have all the different rules and whatnot available for the athletes to read? USADA is not at fault because most fighters are willfully ignorant and didn’t inform themselves on the rules they are subject to.

You're not going to get thru.

Similar to USADA suspensions, the rules are all posted and publicly available but still get people saying stuff like "they don't announce fails and suspensions anymore"...

"Not knowing" is now the equivalent of "secrecy" to many even if what they didn't know is public knowledge by its very definition, and they simply didn't do their research.

 

[Chayanne]

Is this a real man?? Playing the victim after been a snitch. Pathetic