Cyril Gane vs. Jon Jones?

[Doughie99]

Jon has fought in non stop title fights since 2011 and hasn't lost (officially) it would be stupid & bad business for him to take any fight at this point that isn't for a belt

OK.
But my view is that he actually does not want to fight Ngannou so to be able to have a title-fight he needs to WAIT until Ngannou is no longer champion. I don't see why him figting a couple of "medium good" heavyweight fighters in the meantime will harm him, IF he is so good (GOAT!) then it should be easy for him. And he has been builking up to HW levels for a long time now and it's well known even when he was fighting at LHW that he walked around 230lbs, so...just add 10 or 15lbs and that's really a perfect 240 to 245lbs which I'd think is ideal for him.

Summary : he is *stalling* deliberately as he does not want to risk getting flatlined by Ngannou, but he will never admit that.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Gane would tool Jones

 

[morrisondafalln]

The second Ngannou/Stipe fight I think makes this seem like a harder job as well, before that the idea you just had to last a round and Francis would gas was pretty common. Whilst that match didnt go much longer I think it showed that Ngannou could conserve his cardio and remain dangerous.

Honestly I think Gane seems like a terrible matchup for Jones personally, Jon depends on his reach and high output to win decisions standing recently and he'd arguebly have no advantage on either against Gane. That could well be a near unwinnable fight for him were as with Francis I think there is always the feeling he's a little flakey.

Jon isnt coming to hw. He would be leg kicked into oblivion. He would probably struggle with Volkov lol.

 

[WarFan90]

I can almost guarantee you that Jon Jones (if offered that fight) would immediately decline.

He is scared of losing his "perfect" fight record, and he has already declined Ngannou and Miocic so I really cannot see him accepting a fight with a top contender like Gane. Plus he keeps saying "oh...I think i'll sit out for a while...no rush...."

Jones is not fighting anytime soon. He's just not. You can speculate on the reasons, but he COULD call up the UFC matchmakers tomorrow and say " fix me up a HW fight, send me 3 or 4 names and I'll pick one and we get it done".

But nope he ain't gonna do that. Dude at this point is semi-retired.

Where did you see that he declined either ngannou or stipe? I think your just assuming(possibly correctly) but that doesn't prove shit. Jon was making according to some sources around 5 mil a fight after ppv at lhw while not much hype was there because he was so dominant. So I would imagine he would probably pull atleast 2x that for ngannou and atleast the same vs gane as a "tune up"

 

[Peli]

Jones can only win this via wrestling (if he can get Gane down, that is)

If he doesn't get Gane down, he's in for the worst beatdown of his life (unless he faces Ngannou afterwards).

Spoiler

Ye ye i know "GaNe Is A pOiNt FiGhTeR" but only against other big ass and dangerous heavyweight strikers. Jones won't have the power or speed to threaten Gane, hence the latter would run through the former if it stays on the feet.

Jones is not afraid of Gane's pitter patter.

 

[WarFan90]

Jon isnt coming to hw. He would be leg kicked into oblivion. He would probably struggle with Volkov lol.

Your crazy jon is so much better at leg kicks and leg kick defence than any active hw its laughable

 

[WarFan90]

That fight will never happen anytime soon unless it's for a belt, would be stupid to have one of these guys take their first loss (first 'real' loss for Jones) against each other in a match with mediocre stakes, you can't have Jones vs Gane headline a PPV without a belt lol and Jones isn't fighting on a damn fight night or co-main.

Only point I disagree with is that fight couldn't headline a ppv come on. Jon Jones vs any top 20 ufc hw is a main event. Let alone gane

 

[WarFan90]

Also that Jones' wrestling hasn't looked good in ages, and this is against LHW's, smaller men.

So pretty much only way for Jones to win is via his great fight IQ, his experience to win close rounds. Or on some stupid judges, again.

Thing is, I don't believe these rounds would be close, if the judges value damage of shots and not baby low kicks, which is in the current ruling.

Gane has much better hands than Jones and I think he's the better kicker as well. Pro kickboxer. One weakness last night was not checking low kicks, but he seemed fine taking them, so can focus on defending Volkov's long punches.

Gane may have a slight advantage with punches maybeeee but in kicks jon is lightyears ahead of him come on

 

[Juzie]

Jones now has another reason to tuck tail and return to 205.

Who does Jones even beat at 205 though? Jones struggled (most people even think he lost) with the guys who are getting smashed by the top the top fighters. What does Jones have for someone like Jan?

 

[Aurelian]

UFC isn't going to give Jon anything other than a Title fight. They won't risk losing that HW debut money against the Champ. Doesn't matter though because Jon is retired.

 

[WarFan90]

This is a weird sitch for me cause I've always called Jones the closest thing we have to " thee goat" ( we dont have one - yet).
I , now, may have to rethink all of this. Between the chemical infractions and how he looked down the stretch at 205-
IDK.

Fair point. Imo jon is the goat. I ignore peds because when he was in his prime it was just the norm. I care wayyyyy more about dillashaw popping for epo than anything jon has. In his heyday he was the greatest fighter on the planet. Which is even crazier because anderson silva(number 2 goat imo as far as his prime) was around at the same time with much more experience and I think would have been wrestle fucked into the ground had they fought when they were both champs

 

[Doughie99]

Where did you see that he declined either ngannou or stipe? I think your just assuming(possibly correctly) but that doesn't prove shit. Jon was making according to some sources around 5 mil a fight after ppv at lhw while not much hype was there because he was so dominant. So I would imagine he would probably pull atleast 2x that for ngannou and atleast the same vs gane as a "tune up"

I'm out and about. I'll reply on this later when am back home.

 

[Broad Blade]

I got Ganes over Jones...

 

[Iron Nick]

Jones is not afraid of Gane's pitter patter.

Gimme a fucking break.
Gane is much larger than anyone Jones has ever faced and he's also a better striker than anyone Jones has ever faced and if you seriously think a guy who's 245 pounds but fast as fuck and throws super high flying knees can't actually hit with immense power if he wants you're delusional.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

I'd love to see it, or Gane vs Stipe would be good

 

[Franklin U.]

Fair point. Imo jon is the goat. I ignore peds because when he was in his prime it was just the norm. I care wayyyyy more about dillashaw popping for epo than anything jon has. In his heyday he was the greatest fighter on the planet. Which is even crazier because anderson silva(number 2 goat imo as far as his prime) was around at the same time with much more experience and I think would have been wrestle fucked into the ground had they fought when they were both champs

I'd like to see Jon make run at heavy and win title ... then there is no debate ." The debate" then would be of a rhetorical nature. It seems as though Jon doesn't want to share cage with Franny. Jon has been favored to win every single one of his fights and the last time he was " under 2-1 " was when he violently took strap from Rua and Jones was a -175 favorite.

It has to be a bit of a mindfuck not only to see Ngannou s power but to see the Vegas boards have Francis as close to a 2-1 favorite over Jon.

I really hope this fight comes to fruition.

 

[Doughie99]

Where did you see that he declined either ngannou or stipe? I think your just assuming(possibly correctly) but that doesn't prove shit. Jon was making according to some sources around 5 mil a fight after ppv at lhw while not much hype was there because he was so dominant. So I would imagine he would probably pull atleast 2x that for ngannou and atleast the same vs gane as a "tune up"

ok back home now.
Jones declining Miocic fight proof (May2021) :


And the Ngannou fight : there is no direct statement he declined it BUT it's entirely obvious that the UFC would have welcomed that fight (UFC management said so) and they wanted Jones to do it but in Jones discussions with Hunter Campbell (UFC main lawyer, about the only UFC senior management he will talk to these days) he said that 8-10million wouldn't be enough at all and so EFFECTIVELY he is declining the fight. He knows very well the UFC are not going to pay him a flat fee of 10million or 15million + and so he IS effectively knowingly pricing himself out of that fight (ducking) simply as he is asking for price that he KNOWS the UFC will not pay him. So he can use the "I wanted to fight but Dana & Co too cheap" bullshit excuse.

He will refuse any Ngannou fight offer, he is either retired already, OR he is under USADA suspension (very possible!) and/or he is biding his time UNTIL Ngannou gets beaten by someone and then...maybe....he will be like "Oh yeah guys now I want a title fight".

That's my view, you are perfectly entitled to hold a different view, fine by me sir!

 

[The Schmoop]

Nice bias. He’s literally better at everything all of those guys you mentioned. By far against much steeper competition.

How would the 40 year old dc do against those guys which is back and knees are gone and win titles without his main weapon.



ufc fans are retarded.

lol

Steeper competition like a paraplegic MW or chinless punching bag Dominick Reyes? Back to back fights he arguably lost. Ok boo.

 

[blaseblah]

Nice bias. He’s literally better at everything all of those guys you mentioned. By far against much steeper competition.

How would the 40 year old dc do against those guys which is back and knees are gone and win titles without his main weapon.



ufc fans are retarded.

Lmao no. Gane has better striking than Jone, who should have an L on his record from getting outstruck by Reyes. Maybe prime Jones could have used his wrestling but he's not as good anymore.

 

[morrisondafalln]

Your crazy jon is so much better at leg kicks and leg kick defence than any active hw its laughable

It doesnt take almost 2 years
To move a weight class. If jj was as confident in his abilities. As your are. He would of moved up by now. Lol