Yeah, pretty much. Copper Box has loads of bigger UK names go there after they've done the O2/Wembley. Selby, DeGale, BJS, Groves, etc.is it common to go from boxing at the O2 arena to a handball arena?
Not sure where else to put this and cant be asked to start a thread. I've been following Joshua Buatsi since he won Bronze at the 2016 Olympics. Love his style of fighting and hope he keeps doing well. How well do you think he against the better competition at 175lbs? Would even love to see him face Canelo one day. At the moment he's just been too good for everyone even in this fight from last week which was supposed to be a step up:
Not sure where else to put this and cant be asked to start a thread. I've been following Joshua Buatsi since he won Bronze at the 2016 Olympics. Love his style of fighting and hope he keeps doing well. How well do you think he against the better competition at 175lbs? Would even love to see him face Canelo one day. At the moment he's just been too good for everyone even in this fight from last week which was supposed to be a step up:
Not to be that guy but... nahh..Japan as well for me. They have had some over the years, but that seems more than normal. I wonder if the Anime/Manga Hajime No Ippo inspired some kids 20 years ago when they were kids, and now they are of age to be pro boxers.
He should fight Chilemba, Pascal, or Joe Smith Jr next.
Ill also update the country count soon
I notice he gets tagged a fair bit when he chases the finish, but none of the shots ever seem to bother him. Probably down to the level of competition he's facing. I've also noticed throughout his fights he gets warned about using his forearms/elbows a lot. Still though, he's only young, had a promising amateur career, and hopefully AJ is a good mentor towards him. I'd love to see him on that MSG card.He's a real prospect. He’s also a relative novice compared to most of his peers. He’s going to improve but LHW is a fckin tough division at the moment
Not to be that guy but... nahh..
Japan has such a large presence in boxing because we bombed the shit out of their country and then occupied it and helped guide their cultural development post WW2 same reason why baseball is so popular there but almost non existent in the surrounding countries.
Japan has had a presence on the scene for a long ass time but I doubt the popularity for the scene in the west was there pre internet days.
Really you need to look at it as Hajime no ippo exists because of the popularity of boxing in Japan not the other way around.
Hell I bet the scene there despite having less exposure over here was much crazier back in the day when Korea was still boxing crazy.

Also, they're counting the Mexican-american guys... Those guys that rised the Mexican flag when the win and those that got both flags in their trunks.UK population: 63.18 million
US population: 309.35 million
I can do the maths for you if you want, otherwise we can just leave it at that
Theres a good number of champions that are American but really Mexican American.Also, they're counting the Mexican-american guys... Those guys that rised the Mexican flag when the win and those that got both flags in their trunks.
As I wouldn't also count them for America either if that's the case. I mean, look at Mickey Garcia... He enters to the ring while traditional mexican music plays behind, there have always been boxers like him that really embrace their mexican roots more than their link with the american culture.Theres a good number of champions that are American but really Mexican American.
You honestly could count those for Mexico.
Well then, should black americans go on the Africans lists?Theres a good number of champions that are American but really Mexican American.
You honestly could count those for Mexico.
Sorry I can’t see what I’m you posted if it’s sarcastic you got some good argumenting why I’m wrong?Explains the huge boxing fixation in the Middle East too.
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Sorry I can’t see what I’m you posted if it’s sarcastic you got some good argumenting why I’m wrong?
Okay I gotcha.101% sarcasm
Okay I gotcha.
To quote Eddie bravo “look into it bro”
We took a pretty heavy hand in the rebuilding of japan culturally after WW2 as a reasulting lots of American stuff became integrated into their culture.
I’m not arguing bombing them out was wrong. But it’s a totally different situation than what happened on the Middle East.
Yes but one reason why it is so different is we took a direct interest in trying to steer there culture into a democratic direction. For example one of my favorite Kurosawa films was a gangster piece but it was rejected by the American military for being anti establishment so to say.Agree re Japan
Re Middle East US and Europe took a huge role in building cities and refineries. Not the same as Japan,but still a drastic influence
Yes but one reason why it is so different is we took a direct interest in trying to steer there culture into a democratic direction. For example one of my favorite Kurosawa films was a gangster piece but it was rejected by the American military for being anti establishment so to say.
While there is visible pushback the influence and the help we have to Japan has a clear effect on the countries history post WW2 especially comparing it to its neighbors on the region.
Bringing it back to boxing from the occupation of Japan to now there has always been a scene in Japan and well known boxing figures. As I am sure you are well aware of.
Heavyweight
- A total of 60 fighters from 15 countries currently hold 67 of the 68 major alphabet world titles
- All nationalities are listed according to BoxRec
- Divisional leadership is identified by a country’s majority share of titleholders. If no titleholder majority exists then leadership is awarded to the country holding the majority share of titles (title share).
Anthony Joshua (WBA, IBF, WBO) – UK
Deontay Wilder (WBC) – US
Divisional Leader → UK
Cruiserweight
Oleksandr Usyk (WBC, IBF, WBO) – Ukraine
Beibut Shumenov (WBA)¹ – Kazakhstan
Divisional Leader → Ukraine
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1. Shumenov was WBA ‘Regular’ champion until Usyk vacated his ‘Super’ version of the title a couple days ago. It’s uncertain whether Shumenov will continue to get the secondary titlist treatment by the WBA or if he’ll inherit full ‘World’ title recognition going forward in the absence of a ‘Super’ champion. At present there’s nobody above him, which in principle, effectively makes him the full champion. BoxRec recognizes him as such.
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Light Heavyweight
Dmitry Bivol (WBA) – Russia
Oleksandr Gvozdyk (WBC) – Ukraine
Artur Beterbiev (IBF) – Russia
Sergey Kovalev (WBO) – Russia
Divisional Leader → Russia
Super Middleweight
Callum Smith (WBA) – UK
Anthony Dirrell (WBC) – US
Caleb Plant (IBF) – US
Gilberto Ramirez (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → US
Middleweight
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (WBA, WBC) – Mexico
Daniel Jacobs (IBF) – US
Demetrius Andrade (WBO) – US
Divisional Leader → US (tied in title share)
Junior Middleweight
Jarrett Hurd (WBA, IBF) – US
Tony Harrison (WBC) – US
Jaime Munguia (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → US
Welterweight
Keith Thurman (WBA) – US
Shawn Porter (WBC) – US
Errol Spence Jr. (IBF) – US
Terence Crawford (WBO) – US
Divisional Leader → US
Junior Welterweight
Kiryl Relikh (WBA) – Belarus
Jose Ramirez (WBC) – US
Ivan Baranchyk (IBF) – Belarus
Maurice Hooker (WBO) – US
Divisional Leader: None (tied in titleholders & title share)
Lightweight
Vasiliy Lomachenko (WBA, WBO) – Ukraine
Mikey Garcia (WBC) – US
Richard Commey (IBF) – West Africa
Divisional Leader → Ukraine
Super Featherweight
Gervonta Davis (WBA) – US
Miguel Berchelt (WBC) – Mexico
Tevin Farmer (IBF) – US
Masayuki Ito (WBO) – Japan
Divisional Leader → US
Featherweight
Leo Santa Cruz (WBA) – Mexico
Gary Russell Jr. (WBC) – US
Josh Warrington (IBF) – UK
Oscar Valdez (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → Mexico
Super Bantamweight
Daniel Roman (WBA) – US
Rey Vargas (WBC) – Mexico
TJ Doheny (IBF) – Australia
Emanuel Navarrete (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → Mexico
Bantamweight
Nonito Donaire (WBA) – Philippines
Nordine Oubaali (WBC) – France
Emmanuel Rodriguez (IBF) – Puerto Rico
Zolani Tete (WBO) – South Africa
Divisional Leader: None
Super Flyweight
Kal Yafai (WBA) – UK
‘Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’ (WBC) – Thailand
Jerwin Ancajas (IBF) – Philippines
WBO title currently vacant
Divisional Leader: None
Flyweight
Artem Dalakian (WBA) – Ukraine
Charlie Edwards (WBC) – UK
Moruti Mthalane (IBF) – South Africa
Kosei Tanaka (WBO) – Japan
Divisional Leader: None
Light Flyweight
Hiroto Kyoguchi (WBA) – Japan
Ken Shiro (WBC) – Japan
Felix Alvarado (IBF) – Nicaragua
Angel Acosta (WBO) – Puerto Rico
Divisional Leader → Japan
Strawweight
‘Knockout CP Freshmart’ (WBA) – Thailand
‘Wanheng Menayothin’ (WBC) – Thailand
DeeJay Kriel (IBF) – South Africa
Vic Saludar (WBO) – Philippines
Divisional Leader → Thailand
Divisional Leader Totals
US – 5 (29.4%)
Mexico – 2 (11.8%)
Ukraine – 2 (11.8%)
Japan – 1 (5.9%)
Russia – 1 (5.9%)
Thailand – 1 (5.9%)
UK – 1 (5.9%)
Leader → US (5/17 | 29.4%)
Titleholders Per Country
US – 18
Mexico – 8
UK – 5
Japan – 4
Ukraine – 4
Africa – 4
Philippines – 3
Russia – 3
Thailand – 3
Belarus – 2
Puerto Rico – 2
Australia – 1
France – 1
Kazakhstan – 1
Nicaragua – 1
Leader → US (18/60 | 30%)
Title Share Per Country
US – 19 (28.4%)
Mexico – 9 (13.4%)
Ukraine – 7 (10.4%)
UK – 7 (10.4%)
Africa – 4 (6%)
Japan – 4 (6%)
Philippines – 3 (4.5%)
Russia – 3 (4.5%)
Thailand – 3 (4.5%)
Belarus – 2 (3%)
Puerto Rico – 2 (3%)
Australia – 1 (1.5%)
France – 1 (1.5%)
Kazakhstan – 1 (1.5%)
Nicaragua – 1 (1.5%)
Leader → US (19/67 | 28.4%)
Unified Titleholders
Anthony Joshua (UK)
Oleksandr Usyk (Ukraine)
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (Mexico)
Jarrett Hurd (US)
Vasiliy Lomachenko (Ukraine)
Leader → Ukraine (2/5 | 40%)
Recognized Lineal Champions
Oleksandr Usyk (Ukraine)
Oleksandr Gvozdyk (Ukraine)
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (Mexico)
Mikey Garcia (US)
Guillermo Rigondeaux (Cuba)
‘Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’ (Thailand)
Leader → Ukraine (2/6 | 33.3̅%)
Ring Magazine Champions
Oleksandr Usyk (Ukraine)
Callum Smith (UK)
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (Mexico)
Vasiliy Lomachenko (Ukraine)
‘Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’ (Thailand)
Hiroto Kyoguchi (Japan)
Leader → Ukraine (2/6 | 33.3̅%)
Both of Belarus champions are in the Junior Welterweight division.Heavyweight
- A total of 60 fighters from 15 countries currently hold 67 of the 68 major alphabet world titles
- All nationalities are listed according to BoxRec
- Divisional leadership is identified by a country’s majority share of titleholders. If no titleholder majority exists then leadership is awarded to the country holding the majority share of titles (title share).
Anthony Joshua (WBA, IBF, WBO) – UK
Deontay Wilder (WBC) – US
Divisional Leader → UK
Cruiserweight
Oleksandr Usyk (WBC, IBF, WBO) – Ukraine
Beibut Shumenov (WBA)¹ – Kazakhstan
Divisional Leader → Ukraine
——————————————
1. Shumenov was WBA ‘Regular’ champion until Usyk vacated his ‘Super’ version of the title a couple days ago. It’s uncertain whether Shumenov will continue to get the secondary titlist treatment by the WBA or if he’ll inherit full ‘World’ title recognition going forward in the absence of a ‘Super’ champion. At present there’s nobody above him, which in principle, effectively makes him the full champion. BoxRec recognizes him as such.
——————————————
Light Heavyweight
Dmitry Bivol (WBA) – Russia
Oleksandr Gvozdyk (WBC) – Ukraine
Artur Beterbiev (IBF) – Russia
Sergey Kovalev (WBO) – Russia
Divisional Leader → Russia
Super Middleweight
Callum Smith (WBA) – UK
Anthony Dirrell (WBC) – US
Caleb Plant (IBF) – US
Gilberto Ramirez (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → US
Middleweight
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (WBA, WBC) – Mexico
Daniel Jacobs (IBF) – US
Demetrius Andrade (WBO) – US
Divisional Leader → US (tied in title share)
Junior Middleweight
Jarrett Hurd (WBA, IBF) – US
Tony Harrison (WBC) – US
Jaime Munguia (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → US
Welterweight
Keith Thurman (WBA) – US
Shawn Porter (WBC) – US
Errol Spence Jr. (IBF) – US
Terence Crawford (WBO) – US
Divisional Leader → US
Junior Welterweight
Kiryl Relikh (WBA) – Belarus
Jose Ramirez (WBC) – US
Ivan Baranchyk (IBF) – Belarus
Maurice Hooker (WBO) – US
Divisional Leader: None (tied in titleholders & title share)
Lightweight
Vasiliy Lomachenko (WBA, WBO) – Ukraine
Mikey Garcia (WBC) – US
Richard Commey (IBF) – West Africa
Divisional Leader → Ukraine
Super Featherweight
Gervonta Davis (WBA) – US
Miguel Berchelt (WBC) – Mexico
Tevin Farmer (IBF) – US
Masayuki Ito (WBO) – Japan
Divisional Leader → US
Featherweight
Leo Santa Cruz (WBA) – Mexico
Gary Russell Jr. (WBC) – US
Josh Warrington (IBF) – UK
Oscar Valdez (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → Mexico
Super Bantamweight
Daniel Roman (WBA) – US
Rey Vargas (WBC) – Mexico
TJ Doheny (IBF) – Australia
Emanuel Navarrete (WBO) – Mexico
Divisional Leader → Mexico
Bantamweight
Nonito Donaire (WBA) – Philippines
Nordine Oubaali (WBC) – France
Emmanuel Rodriguez (IBF) – Puerto Rico
Zolani Tete (WBO) – South Africa
Divisional Leader: None
Super Flyweight
Kal Yafai (WBA) – UK
‘Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’ (WBC) – Thailand
Jerwin Ancajas (IBF) – Philippines
WBO title currently vacant
Divisional Leader: None
Flyweight
Artem Dalakian (WBA) – Ukraine
Charlie Edwards (WBC) – UK
Moruti Mthalane (IBF) – South Africa
Kosei Tanaka (WBO) – Japan
Divisional Leader: None
Light Flyweight
Hiroto Kyoguchi (WBA) – Japan
Ken Shiro (WBC) – Japan
Felix Alvarado (IBF) – Nicaragua
Angel Acosta (WBO) – Puerto Rico
Divisional Leader → Japan
Strawweight
‘Knockout CP Freshmart’ (WBA) – Thailand
‘Wanheng Menayothin’ (WBC) – Thailand
DeeJay Kriel (IBF) – South Africa
Vic Saludar (WBO) – Philippines
Divisional Leader → Thailand
Divisional Leader Totals
US – 5 (29.4%)
Mexico – 2 (11.8%)
Ukraine – 2 (11.8%)
Japan – 1 (5.9%)
Russia – 1 (5.9%)
Thailand – 1 (5.9%)
UK – 1 (5.9%)
Leader → US (5/17 | 29.4%)
Titleholders Per Country
US – 18
Mexico – 8
UK – 5
Japan – 4
Ukraine – 4
Africa – 4
Philippines – 3
Russia – 3
Thailand – 3
Belarus – 2
Puerto Rico – 2
Australia – 1
France – 1
Kazakhstan – 1
Nicaragua – 1
Leader → US (18/60 | 30%)
Title Share Per Country
US – 19 (28.4%)
Mexico – 9 (13.4%)
Ukraine – 7 (10.4%)
UK – 7 (10.4%)
Africa – 4 (6%)
Japan – 4 (6%)
Philippines – 3 (4.5%)
Russia – 3 (4.5%)
Thailand – 3 (4.5%)
Belarus – 2 (3%)
Puerto Rico – 2 (3%)
Australia – 1 (1.5%)
France – 1 (1.5%)
Kazakhstan – 1 (1.5%)
Nicaragua – 1 (1.5%)
Leader → US (19/67 | 28.4%)
Unified Titleholders
Anthony Joshua (UK)
Oleksandr Usyk (Ukraine)
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (Mexico)
Jarrett Hurd (US)
Vasiliy Lomachenko (Ukraine)
Leader → Ukraine (2/5 | 40%)
Recognized Lineal Champions
Oleksandr Usyk (Ukraine)
Oleksandr Gvozdyk (Ukraine)
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (Mexico)
Mikey Garcia (US)
Guillermo Rigondeaux (Cuba)
‘Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’ (Thailand)
Leader → Ukraine (2/6 | 33.3̅%)
Ring Magazine Champions
Oleksandr Usyk (Ukraine)
Callum Smith (UK)
‘Canelo’ Alvarez (Mexico)
Vasiliy Lomachenko (Ukraine)
‘Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’ (Thailand)
Hiroto Kyoguchi (Japan)
Leader → Ukraine (2/6 | 33.3̅%)