Social CRT (Critical Race Theory) Megathread, Vol.1

[ElKarlo]

Privilege is only bad if you feel bad about it. I can’t do anything about My Whiteness, nor would I want to. I just don’t see how talking about cultural and racial advantages is somehow talking about how bad a certain race or person. It’s hard to understand. I never owned a slave but certain white people did. Do I feel bad it happened? Yes, as we should all feel that way. Do I personally feel bad? No because I don’t own slaves nor do I want to.

No one I know flys the BLM flag. You all on the right are going bonkers or a fringe minority talking point. It’s much like transgender athletes. I had a long talk with a feminist liberal friend and told her my stance and how it’s not fair to biological women. She fought me tooth and nail over it. Talked about how all of this leads to true equality. Called my position bigoted, which it is but it’s not wrong. I finally got her to think differently when I told her biological females are not allowed to take testosterone as it’s illegal. So based on biology, there will never be equality in women’s sports if transgender females are allowed to compete.

No it's not bad, and forcing people to feel shame is absurd.
Why should you feel bad because white people enslaved blacks? By that I mean why do you feel bad because you are white and not because it was a bad thing. They are linking past wrongs to an entire race. Sorry, but that is dumb and so is defending this nonsense.
BTW all my family&s wealth is from my mom's side, my POC side. So

The US embassies flew the BLM flag, as have many corporations. Please stop lying and trying to pretend it doesn't happen. You are playing game here with defs and circumstances.
You last point? Who cares. The left is choosing that hill to die on. No one sane has those opinions.

 

[rob mafia]

i almost sold puts on rtx today. perhaps i dodged a bullet.

i find it strange that a company in this sector would be pulling this stunt. i'd think that the woke/modern lefties would hate them, no matter what (given MIC/etc). this seems to just alienate themselves and may even make investors wary. given that they're up for the last 1 year (as are most stocks), it's a good time for any to sell...

 

[ElKarlo]

LOL whaT?

Are they real, as in they impact a great deal of people in any way? No. It is witch hysteria.

 

[12ga.]

Chris Hedges DESTROYS Fake Corporate Woke Culture

Basically, "woke" and symbols of inclusiveness, without a concerted assault on corporate power, will do nothing to change the system and in fact gives the oligarchy more legitimacy since it's not just white men doing it. Corps are not stupid like typical right wingers and truly do play 3d chess.

 

[Ophydian]

Honest question here. Isn't equity just another term for socialism?

What you're able or willing to do doesn't matter because everyone gets the same in the end.

Will equity be enforced across the enormous disparity of wealth between politicians and their constituents? Or is it equal outcomes for everyone but the elites, they have a superior outcome every time.

No. One is a social construct and the other is financial and neither are the same. You can want equality in that we each have an equal opportunity to succeed. This isn’t about redistribution of wealth. It’s about making changes so that all parties get the chance to succeed.

 

[James Bomb]

Corporate wokeness must feel like the ultimate betrayal for Republicans. Decades of tirelessly slashing their taxes and deregulating only to get backstabbed in the culture wars, which at the end of the day is the only thing they truly believe in. Oof, talk about owned.

At least they still have Hobby Lobby and My Pillow, never surrender

 

[deltapapha]

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Nice to see. Hopefully this is just the start and all of the other big corporations include that as part of their training. It really needs to be a part of training in all police departments as well

There you go defending CRT...

 

[Plissken]

How do these people worm their way into these massive companies and govt. institutions unchecked?

 

[Ruke Doufus]

No. One is a social construct and the other is financial and neither are the same. You can want equality in that we each have an equal opportunity to succeed. This isn’t about redistribution of wealth. It’s about making changes so that all parties get the chance to succeed.

In what ways don't all parties have the chance to succeed? I can't think of a single example where anyone is excluded from an institution or opportunity based on their race.

 

[Hadron90]

i almost sold puts on rtx today. perhaps i dodged a bullet.

i find it strange that a company in this sector would be pulling this stunt. i'd think that the woke/modern lefties would hate them, no matter what (given MIC/etc). this seems to just alienate themselves and may even make investors wary. given that they're up for the last 1 year (as are most stocks), it's a good time for any to sell...

You dodged a gold nugget you mean. These companies are doing this shit because Biden-Harris demand it. Raytheon will be rewarded generously for this.

 

[Hadron90]

In what ways don't all parties have the chance to succeed? I can't think of a single example where anyone is excluded from an institution or opportunity based on their race.

College admissions discriminate harshly against Asians. There is one good example.

 

[panamaican]

Yeah by teaching racial politics and collective guilt.

Nah, more like another larger set of people that see CRT for what it is: a ridiculous garbage theory created by bunch of race grifters to create division.


Which logic fallacy does this one fall into?

No logical fallacy. They tend to be the same group of people. That's an observation, not an argument. An argument would be "the people who like #1 also like #2 for the following reasons: A, B, C."

But of course why would you use the correct definition of a logical fallacy when you guys don't certainly don't care about the correct definition of CRT or a correct categorization of what different organizations are doing? If it's remotely related to race, these people are calling it CRT. When it was Covid-19, these people were saying "it's just the flu". Same people, same denial. That's an observation - not an argument which would be subject to logical fallacies.

Here is an argument: They do so because they're arguing about everything from an emotional place, instead of an intellectual one. They feel threatened or belittled by changes in society and find comfort in minimizing what the sources of those changes are because they feel powerless to actually stop the changes themselves. You can apply logical fallacies to that reasoning, if you choose.

However, as I said earlier, very few people complaining about CRT have any interest in actually understanding what they are complaining about at any given moment in time. (that's also an argument where you can claim logical fallacies)

 

[dirtypablo]

Privilege is only bad if you feel bad about it. I can’t do anything about My Whiteness, nor would I want to. I just don’t see how talking about cultural and racial advantages is somehow talking about how bad a certain race or person. It’s hard to understand. I never owned a slave but certain white people did. Do I feel bad it happened? Yes, as we should all feel that way. Do I personally feel bad? No because I don’t own slaves nor do I want to.

No one I know flys the BLM flag. You all on the right are going bonkers or a fringe minority talking point. It’s much like transgender athletes. I had a long talk with a feminist liberal friend and told her my stance and how it’s not fair to biological women. She fought me tooth and nail over it. Talked about how all of this leads to true equality. Called my position bigoted, which it is but it’s not wrong. I finally got her to think differently when I told her biological females are not allowed to take testosterone as it’s illegal. So based on biology, there will never be equality in women’s sports if transgender females are allowed to compete.

The issue is that white people are being singled out here, and that the net amount of privilege a person has in life isn't something you can accurately assess based on generic group identity. Further, privilege is highly dependent on surroundings and what may be privilege here is a disadvantage there - a white man working in an office where most of his co-workers are women may be regularly sexually harassed or passed up for opportunities, whereas at another company he may be given opportunities he didn't really earn. A black kid growing up in a shitty redneck town may face all sorts of discrimination, but another black kid who grows up rich in a very liberal area may actually be more privileged than most of the white kids in his area. If that rich black kid is given every advantage like expensive private tutors, is that not privilege? And if that kid is a terrible student in spite of all those advantages, but still gets into an elite university largely due to his racial identity, is that not a privilege as well? Are minorities being told to check their privilege for the actual systemic racism that exists like affirmative action that they may benefit from? How about if they're a direct majority in the localized workplace? Raytheon is a huge company, surely there are some offices where racial minorities are the majority. In those cases, are those people being specifically pulled aside and told that they need to make sure they are being inclusive towards the one white guy in the office? Or is it only white people who need to be sensitive to others?

 

[Mr Holmes]

No logical fallacy. They tend to be the same group of people. That's an observation, not an argument. An argument would be "the people who like #1 also like #2 for the following reasons: A, B, C."

But of course why would you use the correct definition of a logical fallacy when you guys don't certainly don't care about the correct definition of CRT or a correct categorization of what different organizations are doing? If it's remotely related to race, these people are calling it CRT. When it was Covid-19, these people were saying "it's just the flu". Same people, same denial. That's an observation - not an argument which would be subject to logical fallacies.

Here is an argument: They do so because they're arguing about everything from an emotional place, instead of an intellectual one. They feel threatened or belittled by changes in society and find comfort in minimizing what the sources of those changes are because they feel powerless to actually stop the changes themselves. You can apply logical fallacies to that reasoning, if you choose.

My mistake. It sounded like you were trying to lean toward suggesting: the low IQ Trumpanzees were wrong about Covid, so how can we possibly expect them to be right on something like CRT. I see now that definitely isn't the case. You were merely derailing the thread with a little off-topic Covid talk instead.

However, as I said earlier, very few people complaining about CRT have any interest in actually understanding what they are complaining about at any given moment in time. (that's also an argument where you can claim logical fallacies)

An academic that has been a critical race theorist for 30 years has this to say about it:

It’s a complex critique that wouldn’t fit easily into a K-12 curriculum. Even law students find the ideas challenging; we ourselves struggle to put it in understandable terms. We embrace no simple or orthodox set of principles, so no one can really be “trained” in CRT

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/30/critical-race-theory-lightning-rod-opinion-497046
Likewise, it would seem its pretty understandable that there is some confusion around it. I'll assume the people wanting it to be banned are using it as a blanket term to describe woke race ideology. So, I find it funny to watch the race obsessed wokesters point out when someone doesn't get the confusing definition 100% accurate as if it makes a huge difference.

 

[rob mafia]

You dodged a gold nugget you mean. These companies are doing this shit because Biden-Harris demand it. Raytheon will be rewarded generously for this.

maybe, maybe not. either way, i don't want to be on the long side of any of this shit.

 

[ElKarlo]

Chris Hedges DESTROYS Fake Corporate Woke Culture

Basically, "woke" and symbols of inclusiveness, without a concerted assault on corporate power, will do nothing to change the system and in fact gives the oligarchy more legitimacy since it's not just white men doing it. Corps are not stupid like typical right wingers and truly do play 3d chess.

This is true. It’s just a means to control all those idiots who are supporting this nonsense

one of the biggest pushers of ESG is black rock/stone and the ceo made 600 million last year. Yeah that’s good corporate governance there. Let’s bend over and let them run things even tighter than they did before

 

[ElKarlo]

My mistake. It sounded like you were trying to lean toward suggesting the low IQ Trumpanzees were wrong about Covid, so how can we possibly expect them to be right on something like CRT. I see now that definitely isn't the case. You were merely derailing the thread with a little off-topic Covid talk instead.



An academic that has been a critical race theorist for 30 years has this to say about it:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/30/critical-race-theory-lightning-rod-opinion-497046
So it would seem its pretty understandable that there is some confusion around it. I'll assume the people wanting it to be banned are using it as a blanket term to describe woke race ideology. So, I find it funny to watch the race obsessed wokesters point out when someone doesn't get the confusing definition 100% accurate as if it makes a huge difference.

Thanks for that. He and Oy drop that “you don’t understand it” load of bs. How can you understand their pile of vomit. Like “racism gender “ wtf even is that?

 

[chardog]

cant wait for blackrock to start teaching CRT

 

[Ophydian]

In what ways don't all parties have the chance to succeed? I can't think of a single example where anyone is excluded from an institution or opportunity based on their race.

They aren’t given equal opportunity. All parties can succeed in our country but certain groups are given an advantage. It’s that advantage that people want to see reduced.