Cowboy cerrone with racist comments again ...

[NaughtyBoy]

Basically he doesn't know shit about what he's saying.

Cowboy, stick to the fighting.

 

[theojamal]

just let him fight nate again and he will quiet down for a bit. fool is getting way to cocky and exposing his true ego.

 

[Steve08]

How the fuck are anti-Islamic comments, not based on race but religion, "racist" in any way?

Did you know that most people in Dagestan are white?!?!?!

 

[gespenst]

he's actually right. I approve.

 

[Steve08]

Man you really want to be right about this, I can tell. It must suck to have all this progress happening in other places and you have to try defending outdated modes of thought.

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LOL, acknowledging that race exists is "outdated" huh? How very leftist of you.

The difference between "progress" and degeneration depends largely upon where one is standing at the time. But try not to hit your head on the "ONLY MY IDEOLOGY IS RIGHT" sign.

What you describe is GENDER NORMS, not gender itself, which is rooted in genetics/physiology. The idea that gender is somehow psychologically constructed is such a cruel, deceitful sham. So yeah, some crazy gay Thai dude might be born convinced that he is in defiance of all modern biological science and as such identify as kathoey. That doesn't mean his body is no longer biologically male due to willful ignorance.

 

[Mark Andeya]

Incorrect, moron. Religion requires practice--if not ritualistic, at least mental/spiritual. As such, it requires constant attention. If one "has religion," one renews it daily. When one renews their religion throughout their life, it's clearly a choice. I never said education or upbringing had nothing to do with their choice, only that it is a choice. Being born a German, Arab, whatever, however, is not a choice. It requires no practice, no volitional action; it simply is. One can add-on to their birth identity, but it can't be undone. Someone born German can move to Spain, take Spanish citizenship, speak Spanish everyday, have children with a Spaniard and raise them in Spain, and become a Spaniard themselves; but they'll never stop being a German by definition. A Muslim/Christian/Jew/whatever can stop being one of those things by not choosing to be one, as they require practice. Are there social/cultural factors that make it difficult to abandon religion? Sure, but I never said it was easy, simply that it is a choice on some level. If you can't see the distinction, well, then you're dumber than I thought.

But keep talking out of your ass, Mark, it's what you do best. Are you still trying to defend Caio Magalhaes for spitting at someone, claiming it's somehow equivalent to Conor McGregor talking shit? Lol, what a clown you are.

I'm going to ignore the false equivocation that litters this post and just keep kicking your ass on the topic at hand.

The underlined portion. Explain to me, how anyone surrounded their entire life with a society that forces a religion onto them, denies the existence of anything that validates other beliefs, has any choice other than to "renew their religion daily". If you were born on the same day in the same year but in rural Syria rather than a society that protected your right to choose, do you honestly think that you'd have had a realistic chance to choose anything other than the religion of those around you?

 

[bigmacbub]

Incorrect, moron. Religion requires practice--if not ritualistic, at least mental/spiritual. As such, it requires constant attention. If one "has religion," one renews it daily. When one renews their religion throughout their life, it's clearly a choice. I never said education or upbringing had nothing to do with their choice, only that it is a choice. Being born a German, Arab, whatever, however, is not a choice. It requires no practice, no volitional action; it simply is. One can add-on to their birth identity, but it can't be undone. Someone born German can move to Spain, take Spanish citizenship, speak Spanish everyday, have children with a Spaniard and raise them in Spain, and become a Spaniard themselves; but they'll never stop being a German by definition. A Muslim/Christian/Jew/whatever can stop being one of those things by not choosing to be one, as they require practice. Are there social/cultural factors that make it difficult to abandon religion? Sure, but I never said it was easy, simply that it is a choice on some level. If you can't see the distinction, well, then you're dumber than I thought.

But keep talking out of your ass, Mark, it's what you do best. Are you still trying to defend Caio Magalhaes for spitting at someone, claiming it's somehow equivalent to Conor McGregor talking shit? Lol, what a clown you are.

Bump, well said

 

[Mark Andeya]

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LOL, acknowledging that race exists is "outdated" huh? How very leftist of you.

The difference between "progress" and degeneration depends largely upon where one is standing at the time. But try not to hit your head on the "ONLY MY IDEOLOGY IS RIGHT" sign.

To say that race is an innately understood concept that is somehow hardwired into human brains, rather than a culturally constructed societal concept is akin to saying that autism is linked to vaccination. Invalidated by everything that comes after it. Outdated.

It is, leftist, in a way, but only because the "left" is more frequently associated with socially progressive liberalism. It's much more right though, because, well, it's correct.

I'll go ahead and respond to the edit as well. Biological sex is absolutely dictated by one's physiology, and clearly there are neurobiological predicates for what we call "gender" that link it, inexorably in many cases, to biological sex. Not disagreeing there. But of course it also psychologically constructed. How the fuck can you possibly think it isn't? I had a friend in college who liked me to come over and bang her while her cuckold husband watched. She said it made her feel more like a woman. Why had she psychologically constructed a link between cuckolding her husband and being a woman? I don't know, but she sure as hell had.

For the katoey, man it doesn't matter if his/her body stays the same lol. Functionally (that is, with regards to the psychological and sociological understanding of gender) katoey is katoey. The presence of a donger isn't important to that culture. Now, to you, coming from your culture, maybe it is. That's totally cool. But you have to recognize that cultural relativism holds a lot of sway here.

 

[Blayt7hh]

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[robotsonic]

How the fuck are anti-Islamic comments, not based on race but religion, "racist" in any way?

Did you know that most people in Dagestan are white?!?!?!

We all know exactly why, it's the shock word to use, don't like what someone's saying? Just shout racist.

 

[Mark Andeya]

It doesn't matter, you can still criticize their customs/practices/religion/beliefs whether or not they chose to be raised that way. If no one ever criticizes it because OMG that's not PC, then we'll end up with countries in the 21st century still stoning women to death for adultery.

Clearly Cowboy isn't doing anything to correct that and is just antagonizing his opponent. But still, it's a fight and these guys punch people for a living. If you're going to watch that kind of thing you should have a thick enough skin to not get upset over Cowboy making some stupid remark. Not saying you personally did, just a general response to people getting their panties all bunched up over it.

I agree that it doesn't matter. And I agree that you can criticize someone for being wrong. There is objective rightness and there is objective wrongness. In fact, we should criticize people for being wrong, because that makes them stupid and bad.

 

[Steve08]

To say that race is an innately understood concept that is somehow hardwired into human brains, rather than a culturally constructed societal concept is akin to saying that autism is linked to vaccination. Invalidated by everything that comes after it. Outdated.

Well, I've read about white babies who were pretty much too young to undergo any form of socialization or really understand the idea of culture, who freaked out when their parents had a black friend over. You gonna tell me that's learned behavior?

Then again, perhaps that behavior is the result of first world culture, but even so, is a baby that is only a few months old really socially influenced? I think that's a bit of a stretch, unless of course its parents went out of their way to promote those ideas, but that obviously wasn't the case here as these parents were liberals. (I would find the story if I can, but it may have been on Tumblr of all places)

http://time.com/67092/baby-racists-survival-strategy/

Again, I think race as a VALUE is societally constructed, in that some cultures don't really care about it. But does that mean that race is not a biological and scientific fact in and of itself?

Perhaps I'm just uneducated, but I don't see how that could be.

It is, leftist, in a way, but only because the "left" is more frequently associated with socially progressive liberalism. It's much more right though, because, well, it's correct.

So it's correct to say that objective differences in the human genome don't exist, i.e. that Northern Europeans have pale skin solely because of their culture, not because their physiology adapted to grow up in an area with little sunlight?

Well, that's news to me!

 

[Steve08]

I'll go ahead and respond to the edit as well. Biological sex is absolutely dictated by one's physiology, and clearly there are neurobiological predicates for what we call "gender" that link it, inexorably in many cases, to biological sex. Not disagreeing there. But of course it also psychologically constructed. How the fuck can you possibly think it isn't? I had a friend in college who liked me to come over and bang her while her cuckold husband watched. She said it made her feel more like a woman. Why had she psychologically constructed a link between cuckolding her husband and being a woman? I don't know, but she sure as hell had.

I don't think that psychology/cultural diffusion has NO relevance to race/gender identity. I just think that it's a combination of physiology AND societal influence.

That guy who watched you bang his wife probably has serious issues lol...

For the katoey, man it doesn't matter if his/her body stays the same lol. Functionally (that is, with regards to the psychological and sociological understanding of gender) katoey is katoey. The presence of a donger isn't important to that culture. Now, to you, coming from your culture, maybe it is. That's totally cool. But you have to recognize that cultural relativism holds a lot of sway here.

I know that. In sociology I learned that in Tibet for example, it's considered normal for a wife to have many husbands who are all loyal to that one woman. That's pretty weird to me, but it's just a culture difference.

 

[CostumedExtrmst]

People LOVE when threads like this pop us. Gives them all a chance to spout their veiled racist nonsense under the guise of dialect. The term PC is so overused. Why can't some of you just admit you have a real serious problem with minorities and don't feel they should have any voice, or any protection under any laws. Some of you could see a an innocent minority murdered in plain sight, and would still bitch about their families wanting justice. Nothing worse than a closet racist. Pathetic.

 

[Steve08]

We all know exactly why, it's the shock word to use, don't like what someone's saying? Just shout racist.

lol truth. Don't forget misogynist!

Nothing worse than a closet racist. Pathetic.

hahahahahahahah, oh the irony.

What happens when you simply invert prejudice towards MINORITY groups, into prejudice towards MAJORITY groups...?

 

[Mark Andeya]

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Well, I've read about white babies who were pretty much too young to undergo any form of socialization or really understand the idea of culture, who freaked out when their parents had a black friend over. You gonna tell me that's learned behavior?

Then again, perhaps that behavior is the result of first world culture, but even so, is a baby that is only a few months old really socially influenced? I think that's a bit of a stretch, unless of course its parents went out of their way to promote those ideas, but that obviously wasn't the case here as these parents were liberals. (I would find the story if I can, but it may have been on Tumblr of all places)

http://time.com/67092/baby-racists-survival-strategy/

Spoiler

Again, I think race as a VALUE is societally constructed, in that some cultures don't really care about it. But does that mean that race is not a biological and scientific fact in and of itself?

Perhaps I'm just uneducated, but I don't see how that could be.So it's correct to say that objective differences in the human genome don't exist, i.e. that Northern Europeans have pale skin solely because of their culture, not because their physiology adapted to grow up in an area with little sunlight?

Well, that's news to me!

Ok anyone can tell that there is a bunk conclusion to be drawn from that article. Does an infant show a preference for someone of their own race? Maybe it does. But to assume that knowing its own race is hardwired into its brain is specious at best. I'm far from an expert in the field, but I expect that if we abandoned ethics and got a bunch of babies born white but who spent their entire short lives in black communities with black parents, they would no longer show preferential treatment toward white researchers. Just visit a mixed-up society like Brazil and you'll see how radically different race can be in terms of it's societal function.

Spoiler

I don't think that psychology/cultural diffusion has NO relevance to race/gender identity. I just think that it's a combination of physiology AND societal influence.

That guy who watched you bang his wife probably has serious issues lol...I know that. In sociology I learned that in Tibet for example, it's considered normal for a wife to have many husbands who are all loyal to that one woman. That's pretty weird to me, but it's just a culture difference.

Yeah, of course there is some neurobiological predicate. But the cultural aspect of it is always very important.. Some people really miss that point.

 

[Momentosis]

lol racist

Khabib's white just like Cowboy.



Also Cowboy was talking in response to the host saying "Dagestani mindset".

Cowboy replied with "What do you mean by Dagestani mindset".



Cowboy himself was kinda calling out the host for making an implied anti-muslim comment.




People should go listen to the podcast themselves though seriously.



still lol at this being "racist"

 

[Theslayer**]

embarrasing interview for him and prolly he was drunk or something

 

[Mark Andeya]

What happens when you simply invert prejudice towards MINORITY groups, into prejudice towards MAJORITY groups...?

Actually, nothing happens if it's actually a majority group (as in, maintains a higher position of power than the given minority group prejudiced against it)

Were black slaves prejudiced toward their white owners? Probably. What happened? Jack shit.

Now if you have a so-called minority that actually can invert that power structure somehow (say, you're the one straight guy at an Imagine Dragons concert) then, yes, a group which is a minority in other contexts may exercise prejudice over members of the would-be majority. However, that doesn't often happen and to pretend otherwise makes you sound like a whiny ****.

 

[TheSpartan]

Don't get why this thread has 200+ posts..

Everybody is overly sensitive, these days.

Ahhh....the times we live in.