Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[HereticBD]

It’s pretty obvious that everything is in short supply.
If Remington was so gung ho about helping the country, they’d retool out of their own pocket. But they’re not, they’re expecting the government to give them taxpayer dollars.

This is nothing more than trying to play politics during a pandemic, and it’s disgusting. And if I survive this virus, I’ll never buy another Remington gun because of their actions.

Seriously, if we ever get through this, the private sector needs to be given some "End of days" stipulations in how they operate. Make all the money you can, but if there's ever a disaster scenario, you must step up.

Remington is one thing, but the real big boys like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc, etc, are gonna have to do a little better than a few million here and there.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

I always thought that covid 19 was an off shoot of SARS due to the damage to the lungs. One promising tests research result but requires upto a year to get to public but Sept they are shooting for production. Bill Gates has his checkbook open.

 

[Parmenides]

does Trump actually look over what he's going to say at these briefings?

"We have some things that are going to be very good in helping fighting bad things, which no one wants.." etc.

Dude.

He has to dumb it down for his target audience

 

[Graves The Elder]

He's not an articulate man. The "very bad/good" thing, is nothing new. However, the words don't matter. Actions do. I wouldn't give a shit if some silver tongue'd politician was delivering the message all the same. Words don't mean shit.

Agreed. He's never really been very "presidential", zero pomp/fluff a la Brocko.
Bottom line is getting shit done. Good news is he's a successful businessman, not a lawyer.
I spent my entire professional life working with attorneys. They operate by stalling the process, asking for
a 'continuance', postponing hearings, etc.
Business people, at least successful ones, excel at expedience. Getting shit done to their or their charges' advantage.
Who would we rather have overseeing shit?

 

[PHATV]

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  Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?
  During the presidency of Barack Obama, the national stockpile was seriously taxed as the administration addressed multiple crises over eight years.

 

[HereticBD]

Agreed. He's never really been very "presidential", zero pomp/fluff a la Brocko.
Bottom line is getting shit done. Good news is he's a successful businessman, not a lawyer.
I spent my entire professional life working with attorneys. They operate by stalling the process, asking for
a 'continuance', postponing hearings, etc.
Business people, at least successful ones, excel at expedience. Getting shit done to their or their charges' advantage.
Who would we rather have overseeing shit?

You can bet Mr. Trump is looking at those economy numbers and thinking "What can we do? WHAT THE FUCK CAN WE DO!?!?!"

It's quite the pressing matter for him, I would imagine.

 

[PEB]

 

[Hadron90]

What level of TDS is this?

 

[chardog]

He's not an articulate man. The "very bad/good" thing, is nothing new. However, the words don't matter. Actions do. I wouldn't give a shit if some silver tongue'd politician was delivering the message all the same. Words don't mean shit.

I’d say trump is a good speaker, he’s winging these meetings, and taking tons of questions. These meetings are tough to setup and take me a lot of energy, and I’ve been doing them for years, they still weigh on me. He’s doing them in a daily basis. Never seen Bush or Obama perform so often like this.

 

[HereticBD]

I’d say trump is a good speaker

It depends how you judge him, really. Can he captivate an audience? Yes. Does he do it with articulation, and exudes a sense of understanding of complex issues? Not really. Now of course, the silver tongue'd politician with prepared speeches is not necessarily any more informed than he is, despite reciting the big words.

He’s doing them in a daily basis. Never seen Bush or Obama perform so often like this.

In fairness, they never faced a lengthy crisis like this either, which would require them to be on TV everyday. At that end of the day though, who gives a shit if they sound like they know everything? The actions of their administrations is all that matters. They aren't scientists, or whatever. You just hope they have the right people in place.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Wrong again. Just like you were before.

There is ample proof it works. The latest being that it's the #1 treatment for doctors.

But at least your tone has softened.

Only anecdotal "proof". No studies with control groups.

It's like saying "hey I put this guy on an all broccoli diet and he got better"

My tone hasn't changed. I hope it works but there is no actual proof it does

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

• 
  Politics
  USA TODAY
  Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?
  During the presidency of Barack Obama, the national stockpile was seriously taxed as the administration addressed multiple crises over eight years.

It should be replenished yearly.

How many years has Trump been in charge?

 

[SBJJ]

Only anecdotal "proof". No studies with control groups.

It's like saying "hey I put this guy on an all broccoli diet and he got better"

My tone hasn't changed. I hope it works but there is no actual proof it does

There have been multiple studies abroad. Only the smallest study was negative.

You seem to have double blind FDA studies and proof mixed up. Those are 2 entirely different things. And if eating broccoli was voted the #1 treatment by doctors....well, then I'd be smashing those broccoli shakes. International studies, domestic doctors say it works but you say there is no proof.

And FDA has actually approved it for emergency treatment

And your tone has changed because you are no longer screaming it is irresponsible and dangerous to speak of this drug.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

There have been multiple studies abroad. Only the smallest study was negative.

You seem to have double blind FDA studies and proof mixed up. Those are 2 entirely different things.

And FDA has actually approved it for emergency treatment

Again no control groups. Can you point to any studies with a control group?

And yeah the FDA approved it for emergency treatment.... that means the FDA said "well fuck it if looks like they are going to die go for it". That's not an endorsement. It's letting doctors roll the dice on treatment

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

There have been multiple studies abroad. Only the smallest study was negative.

You seem to have double blind FDA studies and proof mixed up. Those are 2 entirely different things. And if eating broccoli was voted the #1 treatment by doctors....well, then I'd be smashing those broccoli shakes. International studies, domestic doctors say it works but you say there is no proof.

And FDA has actually approved it for emergency treatment

And your tone has changed because you are no longer screaming it is irresponsible and dangerous to speak of this drug.

And it's still irresponsible for Trump to be touting this as a cure.

And he toned down his messaging on it. Saying "maybe it's a cure and maybe it's not".

 

[SBJJ]

Again no control groups. Can you point to any studies with a control group?

And yeah the FDA approved it for emergency treatment.... that means the FDA said "well fuck it if looks like they are going to die go for it". That's not an endorsement. It's letting doctors roll the dice on treatment

Christ. Doctors already were able to use it off label. And yes, the French study had control groups.

You seem to not understand what a double blind FDA control group is.

You just think doctors are using it on themselves and their patients because Trump talked about it? That alone is proof.

Again, you are not aware proof and FDA double blind studies are not the same thing

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Christ. Doctors already were able to use it off label. And yes, the French study had control groups.

You seem to not understand what a double blind FDA control group is.

You just think doctors are using it on themselves and their patients because Trump talked about it? That alone is proof.

Again, you are not aware proof and FDA double blind studies are not the same thing

Provide a link to the French study with a control group

 

[SBJJ]

And it's still irresponsible for Trump to be touting this as a cure.

And he toned down his messaging on it. Saying "maybe it's a cure and maybe it's not".

He never said it was a cure. That is you lying because you made a Jack ass out of yourself in regards to this drug.

No need to lie. Do not be a Trump

 

[SBJJ]

Provide a link to the French study with a control group

It was provided to you on multiple occasions.

Why did you feel the need to lie about what Trump said? He does lie, so why did you feel the need to lie about this?