Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

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hillelslovak87 said:
Oh, you got angry over a joke.

I'm sorry my state has readily available education and I'm capable of bettering myself.
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I'm sorry you're in your 30s and still in community college (and fat).
 
FloridaCracker said:
I'm sorry you're in your 30s and still in community college (and fat).
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Meh, I'm not fat. I'm sorry you think people can't go back to school, and are "still in community college".

If you get Corona, you get Corona, but it's still not going to stop you from snorting bath salts and raping a gator.
 
hillelslovak87 said:
Meh, I'm not fat. I'm sorry you think people can't go back to school, and are "still in community college".

If you get Corona, you get Corona, but it's still not going to stop you from snorting bath salts and raping a gator.
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I mean you're fat from your own pic that you yourself posted.

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hillelslovak87 said:
Pray tell, why do you think the federal stockpile was created in the first place?

What reasoning could you find that might lie at the root of it's creation?

Hint - it's a basic, yet profound fact that seems even a child should grasp with even 20 seconds of instruction from a capable adult or young adult.

Here's a page to enlighten you on the basic facts pertaining to disaster preparedness you're arguing against.

https://www.phe.gov/about/sns/Pages/default.aspx
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Obviously you haven't comprehended my argument. I haven't argued against the concepts of insurance or stockpiles. I've criticized the notion that it makes sense to be prepared for an outbreak of this magnitude. I demanded a simple statistic for a specific piece of medical equipment (where this debate began): respirators. I asked to know how many we have had in the past, at our peak, and what the surplus of that is over today. You couldn't produce that. You're ranting about a shortfall without the foggiest notion of what that shortfall is. This is abject ignorance. You're just whining and blaming. You don't understand the specifics of anything.

Here's an article that NBC News ran yesterday.

Why the Strategic National Stockpile isn't meant to solve a crisis like coronavirus
The country's largest repository of drugs and medical equipment is designed to be used as a stopgap — not a solution — during emergencies.
"The Strategic National Stockpile is not designed to be the sole solution to these problems," said Greg Burel, who directed the stockpile program for more than 12 years until his long-planned retirement in January. He said the shortages of personal protective equipment across the country — and the fact that states already need items from the stockpile — illustrate a systemwide failure in American health care.

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Greg Burel served as head of the Strategic National Stockpile for more than 12 years.via NBC News

"Right now, all of this market runs on a just-in-time basis, because it is optimized for the best possible cost," he said. "But sometimes getting the best possible cost leaves you in a position that you have the worst possible preparedness."

The Strategic National Stockpile, or SNS, is meant to be used for brief periods until the supply chain resumes normally, other supplies are manufactured or the president invokes the Defense Production Act, which President Donald Trump did Friday, to compel companies to make the most needed supplies.

Formed in 1999, the stockpile employs 200 people who procure, store and distribute materials in times of emergency. Supplies are in "strategically located warehouses throughout the country ready for deployment," although the number of warehouses and their locations are closely guarded secrets for national security reasons, officials with the Department of Health and Human Services told NBC News.

The stockpile wasn't at full capacity before the COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S., in part because it never fully replenished some of the critical supplies used in the 2009 H1N1 pandemic response, Burel said. During that crisis, at least 25 percent of the supply of antiviral drugs designated for influenza were used, as well as a significant amount of personal protective equipment — the very supplies hospitals are in dire need of right now...

It's estimated that $8 billion worth of vaccines, antibiotics, medical equipment and protective supplies are typically in the stockpile, designed to respond to a variety of scenarios. But the stockpile is limited by its annual — and occasionally supplemental — funding from Congress.

"What we try to do in the Strategic National Stockpile is use the appropriated funds that Congress gives us to invest in the best way we can," Burel said. "We are never going to have everything that you would like to have on that shelf. It's just too expensive"...

Materials from the stockpile are being distributed in proportion to the population in a given jurisdiction, calculated using 2010 data, an HHS spokesperson said. States are getting their full allocations, although that may not meet their needs. Some areas of higher transmission of coronavirus may receive extra supplies on top of their population-based quotas.
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So, some 25% of supplies were used, and were partially replenished, but not fully. Presumably, these respirators would be replenished nearly in full for the simple reason that unlike other medical supplies they are not consumables-- even if old. Meanwhile, supplies are being dispensed proportional to the populations in their respective regions.

New York is one of those regions. Cuomo recently blasted Trump because he asked for 30,000 respirators, and was sent 400. Hilariously, Cuomo ranted, "I want him to tell which 26,000 people have to die." So math isn't his strongest suit.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...-5x-higher-than-anywhere-in-u-s-feds/2341275/

Let's see if it's yours. Tell me...even assuming 400 ventilators is 25% down from 2009, does that mean if it had been fully replenished it could provide 30,000?

Could our preparedness be better funded? Certainly, always, but it will never be prepared for an outbreak like this. You're too ignorant and infantilized to realize that those ventilators need nurses to operate them. There simply isn't enough staffing. The shortfall is tens of thousands for that state alone. So are you stockpiling nurses, too?

This simple truth-- that the stockpile could never be prepared for an outbreak like this, it wouldn't make sense, it's too expensive-- is voiced by the very man who ran the stockpile.

Consider yourself educated.
 
cincymma79 said:
You don’t have even have the beginning of a faint idea of what you’re talking about but you have a strong opinion anyway
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Maybe I was harsh, but your point was really dumb. Just move on.
 
Madmick said:
Obviously you haven't comprehended my argument. I haven't argued against the concepts of insurance or stockpiles. I've criticized the notion that it makes sense to be prepared for an outbreak of this magnitude. I demanded a simple statistics for a specific piece of medical equipment (where this began): respirators. I asked to know how many we have had in the past, at our peak, and what the surplus of that is over today. You couldn't produce that. You're ranting about a shortfall without the foggiest notion of what that shortfall is. This is abject ignorance. You're just whining and blaming. You don't understand the specifics of anything.

Here's an article that NBC News ran yesterday.

Why the Strategic National Stockpile isn't meant to solve a crisis like coronavirus
The country's largest repository of drugs and medical equipment is designed to be used as a stopgap — not a solution — during emergencies.

So, some 25% of supplies were used, and were partially replenished, but not fully. Presumably, these respirators would be replenished nearly in full for the simple reason that unlike other medical supplies they are not consumables-- even if old. Meanwhile, supplies are being dispensed proportional to the populations in their respective regions.

New York is one of those regions. Cuomo recently blasted Trump because he asked for 30,000 respirators, and was sent 400. Hilariously, Cuomo ranted, "I want him to tell which 26,000 people have to die." So math isn't his strongest suit.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...-5x-higher-than-anywhere-in-u-s-feds/2341275/

Let's see if it's yours. Tell me...even assuming 400 ventilators is 25% down from 2009, does that mean if it had been fully replenished it could provide 30,000?

Could our preparedness be better funded? Certainly, always, but it will never be prepared for an outbreak like this. You're too ignorant and infantilized to realize that those ventilators need nurses to operate them. There simply isn't enough staffing. The shortfall is tens of thousands for that state alone. So are you stockpiling nurses, too?

This simple truth-- that the stockpile could never be prepared for an outbreak like this, it wouldn't make sense, it's too expensive-- is voiced by the very man who ran the stockpile.

Consider yourself educated.
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And he obviously speaks of it being necessary, but not sufficient, tool to respond to the crisis. Nonody has posited that the stockpile was the single tool needed to combat the crisis.

That seems a distinction entirely lost upon you.

Arguing for it not being an end all solution seems on odd position to take in defending it being woefully underfunded and stocked with expired medicines and medical supplies. Those two states of affair don't seem to track whatsoever.

I don't think your position will age very well while the infection rates skyrocket in subsequent weeks..............
 
Madmick said:
This virus literally defies the concept of "normal" in every sense.

It doesn't make sense to devote that many resources to equipment that will dilapidate without utility, or be used only once. From a cost-benefit perspective with respect to what's in the best interest of the public writ large that's a terrible strategy.
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It's so silly. According to these people, we should also spend trillions on an "Asteroid Defense System" just in case. You know, 'cause it's inevitable that one day...maybe...an Earth destroying asteroid will eventually hit us. Scientists have said it's possible, so let's go nuts.
 
Madmick said:
Obviously you haven't comprehended my argument. I haven't argued against the concepts of insurance or stockpiles. I've criticized the notion that it makes sense to be prepared for an outbreak of this magnitude. I demanded a simple statistics for a specific piece of medical equipment (where this began): respirators. I asked to know how many we have had in the past, at our peak, and what the surplus of that is over today. You couldn't produce that. You're ranting about a shortfall without the foggiest notion of what that shortfall is. This is abject ignorance. You're just whining and blaming. You don't understand the specifics of anything.

Here's an article that NBC News ran yesterday.

Why the Strategic National Stockpile isn't meant to solve a crisis like coronavirus
The country's largest repository of drugs and medical equipment is designed to be used as a stopgap — not a solution — during emergencies.

So, some 25% of supplies were used, and were partially replenished, but not fully. Presumably, these respirators would be replenished nearly in full for the simple reason that unlike other medical supplies they are not consumables-- even if old. Meanwhile, supplies are being dispensed proportional to the populations in their respective regions.

New York is one of those regions. Cuomo recently blasted Trump because he asked for 30,000 respirators, and was sent 400. Hilariously, Cuomo ranted, "I want him to tell which 26,000 people have to die." So math isn't his strongest suit.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...-5x-higher-than-anywhere-in-u-s-feds/2341275/

Let's see if it's yours. Tell me...even assuming 400 ventilators is 25% down from 2009, does that mean if it had been fully replenished it could provide 30,000?

Could our preparedness be better funded? Certainly, always, but it will never be prepared for an outbreak like this. You're too ignorant and infantilized to realize that those ventilators need nurses to operate them. There simply isn't enough staffing. The shortfall is tens of thousands for that state alone. So are you stockpiling nurses, too?

This simple truth-- that the stockpile could never be prepared for an outbreak like this, it wouldn't make sense, it's too expensive-- is voiced by the very man who ran the stockpile.

Consider yourself educated.
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Respiratory therapists typically run those, especially if they require complicated mode of ventilation
 
andnowweknow said:
Maybe I was harsh, but your point was really dumb. Just move on.
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You don’t know shit about this
Nothing
There is a never going to be a reserve like this and no having old supplies isn’t going to help if we need the new types of ventilation developed specifically because the old machines were insufficient. Also where are they going to get parts for discontinued stock?
 
cincymma79 said:
You don’t know shit about this
Nothing
There is a never going to be a reserve like this and no having old supplies isn’t going to help if we need the new types of ventilation developed specifically because the old machines were insufficient. Also where are they going to get parts for discontinued stock?
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Why was the federal stockpile created in the first place? What reasoning did the actual experts that founded it arrive upon that you didn't?

Is it more likely you have attained a piece of information that invalidates the very idea of stockpiling life saving medical supplies for pandemics, or you're not grasping some basic profundities?
 
cincymma79 said:
You don’t know shit about this
Nothing
There is a never going to be a reserve like this and no having old supplies isn’t going to help if we need the new types of ventilation developed specifically because the old machines were insufficient. Also where are they going to get parts for discontinued stock?
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Almost...

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cincymma79 said:
Respiratory therapists typically run those, especially if they require complicated mode of ventilation
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I'm not talking about calibration. I'm talking about monitoring them during shifts.

But, indeed, there is a great shortfall of more than one occupation of medical worker required to administer all these supplies and equipment.
 
Madmick said:
I'm not talking about calibration. I'm talking about monitoring them during shifts.

But, indeed, there is a great shortfall of more than one occupation of medical worker required to administer all these supplies and equipment.
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I have contract offers in California for 3700 a week after taxes. I’m waiting for New York to come up to there and I’ll likely take one
 
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