Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[bobgeese]

The SK tests were developed to the WHO standard.

The admin still can't even give details on how many masks they have, or how long it'll take to deliver them.

Here's the mayor of NYC, the state you're in, pleading for help, and exclaiming the fact that the admin is entirely incapable, or as you'd say, praising Trump for his leadership.


You're the retard who scoffed at the very idea of tests before pivoting. That was but a few days ago and it's already aged like milk.

Just stop hill.


You don’t get to make an ass out of yourself, get caught being wrong, then rejoin the conversation like your opinion carries any weight.


Address why you were wrong, address the cdc/state lab problems, or fuck off.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Just stop hill.


You don’t get to make an ass out of yourself, then rejoin the conversation like your opinion carries any weight.


Address why you were wrong, address the cdc/state lab problems, or fuck off.

Here's some actual information detailing the South Korean deployment of WHO kits, something your ass pretended didn't matter before misrepresenting.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...-testing-while-the-us-fell-dangerously-behind
How South Korea Scaled Coronavirus Testing While the U.S. Fell Dangerously Behind

“With our past experience with MERS,” he wrote in an email, “we found it very important to diagnose people quickly and to prevent spread to the community through isolation of infected people.”

The quick fielding of a widely available test gave South Korea a key advantage in fighting the spread of the disease, said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “They used the WHO test, so they had a test that was validated early on. Then, they made a simple decision: Test as many people as possible. They organized themselves to get specimens and then made sure they had a very high throughput in the labs.”

“This was crucial to figuring out where the infection was and where it was not, and then they used this knowledge to direct their public health efforts.”

In America, the CDC initially set the parameters of who could be tested narrowly, reflecting the scarcity of the test kits. The rules limited testing to people who had been to countries with known hot spots, even while epidemiologists warned that such restrictive criteria would mean missing early detection of cases in which the virus was spread among people with no links to travelers. This limitation appears to have given the disease a head start in some communities, notably Seattle. Then, even when criteria were loosened, the ongoing lack of testing capacity meant that the disease continued to spread, untracked.

You willful idiot.

 

[bobgeese]

why are you so on about using the South Korean model for America?

they have low geographical distance. They started testing all over the place. Bc for a small area that works

what precious few tests we had at the start have to be saved to places and things that matter. Cant waste 100k tests for people in the Dakotas, Montana and Idaho so they can have peace of mind.

Because @hillelslovak87 is an idiot.


He’s been yelling for a week that we should have used the who test like SK.


Who didn’t use that test...


Interacting with him will only make you realize he’s an idiot. Carry on if you like.

 

[superpunch]

logistically speaking, that’d be tough to accomplish.

the math on all of that, the production and the transport, well, not gonna happen so quick

South Korea did it and they're not a tiny city-state like Singapore or Hong Kong. They're a country with 50 million people. They had it done 2.5 months ago. One of their 3 main testing companies was begging to sell us their testing system capable of 1 million tests/ week at $15 per test. We literally could have just bought the tests from them. But we didn't. Why?

Korea had the tests made before the first case even popped up in their country. It was approved and mass produced 1 week after the first test in their country. So it took Korea 1 week after their first positive test to be ready. We still can't do it months later. Why?

Korea got the ball rolling the minute this started in Wuhan. We just started taking it seriously 2 weeks ago. Why?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Because @hillelslovak87 is an idiot.


He’s been yelling for a week that we should have used the who test like SK.


Who didn’t use that test...


Interacting with him will only make you realize he’s an idiot. Carry on if you like.

Above, retard..........

 

[bobgeese]

Here's some actual information detailing the South Korean deployment of WHO kits, something your ass pretended didn't matter before misrepresenting.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...-testing-while-the-us-fell-dangerously-behind
How South Korea Scaled Coronavirus Testing While the U.S. Fell Dangerously Behind

“With our past experience with MERS,” he wrote in an email, “we found it very important to diagnose people quickly and to prevent spread to the community through isolation of infected people.”

The quick fielding of a widely available test gave South Korea a key advantage in fighting the spread of the disease, said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “They used the WHO test, so they had a test that was validated early on. Then, they made a simple decision: Test as many people as possible. They organized themselves to get specimens and then made sure they had a very high throughput in the labs.”

“This was crucial to figuring out where the infection was and where it was not, and then they used this knowledge to direct their public health efforts.”

In America, the CDC initially set the parameters of who could be tested narrowly, reflecting the scarcity of the test kits. The rules limited testing to people who had been to countries with known hot spots, even while epidemiologists warned that such restrictive criteria would mean missing early detection of cases in which the virus was spread among people with no links to travelers. This limitation appears to have given the disease a head start in some communities, notably Seattle. Then, even when criteria were loosened, the ongoing lack of testing capacity meant that the disease continued to spread, untracked.

You willful idiot.

Again, you don’t even understand what the problem is with the testing in America. You just keep trying to save face after embarrassing yourself with SK.


It’s like arguing electrical engineering with a child.


Hill, fuck off.

 

[bobgeese]

South Korea did it and they're not a tiny city-state like Singapore or Hong Kong. They're a country with 50 million people. They had it done 2.5 months ago. One of their 3 main testing companies was begging to sell us their testing system capable of 1 million tests/ week at $15 per test. We literally could have just bought the tests from them. But we didn't. Why?

Go read the transcript from the cdc conference on the 12th.

The answers are right there. Ya just have to try harder than parroting Rachael Maddow.

 

[hillelslovak87]

why are you so on about using the South Korean model for America?

they have low geographical distance. They started testing all over the place. Bc for a small area that works

what precious few tests we had at the start have to be saved to places and things that matter. Cant waste 100k tests for people in the Dakotas, Montana and Idaho so they can have peace of mind.

For any area in size, testing works, and it has in the US during past public health crises.

What you could do is be proactive, and have tests ready to go, and not do everything you possibly can to decapitate our disaster preparedness with budget cuts, hiring freezes and giving the President's corporate shills jobs at the head of vital departments.

It also makes sense to not cut staff at relevant agencies because you say you can rehire them, then put a 23 year old in charge of federal hiring for the administration. Crazy, right?

 

[superpunch]

Go read the transcript from the cdc conference on the 12th.

The answers are right there. Ya just have to try harder than parroting Rachael Maddow.

Trump refused to by the Korean tests. Why did Trump refuse to buy the Korean tests?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Again, you don’t even understand what the problem is with the testing in America. You just keep trying to save face after embarrassing yourself with SK.


It’s like arguing electrical engineering with a child.


Hill, fuck off.

Did the South Koreans use the WHO test, bob?

Are the experts in relevant fields lauding South Korea for this response, or not?

It's quite pathetic that you don't think the USA has the logistical capability of a smaller, less economically powerful nation like South Korea. You're the weirdos saying we have the best healthcare system in the world, after all.

I mean, I've never even heard a single person make the asinine argument you're making regarding coordination between the states and the federal government. The causes are everywhere but at the top, where the leaders are supposed to be. It's everyone and everything but the Trump admin and their practice of being entirely incapable.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Again, you don’t even understand what the problem is with the testing in America. You just keep trying to save face after embarrassing yourself with SK.


It’s like arguing electrical engineering with a child.


Hill, fuck off.

Did the South Koreans use WHO standard tests, and is the general consensus amongst the experts that the South Korean model is the gold standard at this point?

You're the one trotting forth the premise that the federal government can't coordinate with states. I haven't even heard anyone make that argument. However, I've heard quite a few governors state that they can't even get basic answers from the administration, including your governor and the mayor of NYC.

You laughed about testing even being needed, you've spoken of the South Koreans developing their own kits, kits you confused with the initial chinese tests and equated a 50% failure rate to, and heaped your nonsensical argument on top.

So, why are the experts lauding Korea, and noting the Trump administration's drastically shitty response?

You can do it, bob. You're so confident, so you must be able to explain your position. I'll just reply with, you know, the opinions of the experts, data and common gotdamn sense.

 

[hillelslovak87]

All this does is show me you explicit intention to politicize this crisis.

america doesn’t need this. Nor does it want it.

This is Global catastrophe

Americans need to know whose at fault, so we can know who to not trust in the future. I swear, it's like America learned absolutely nothing from the Bush administration.

 

[superpunch]

that’s a great question. It’s beyond shocking we weren’t able to seal the borders. The only way of actually physically keeping the disease out what denied. Defeating any attempt at protection.

This will be rectified. Or we no longer are worth our salt

South Korea implemented no travel bans outside of quarantining people for 14 days from Hubei province.. All you had to do was buy enough tests to track the infected, people they came in contact with, and keep doing that. We didn't because Trump didn't buy the Korean tests. Why didn't Trump buy the Korean tests?

Korea was already going into full preparation before the first case even reached their country. We were still laughing about it until 2 weeks ago. Why?

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

Reporter: Please comment on millions of Americans fearing Corona.
Trump: You're a terrible reporter. NBC Comcast = sensationalism.

 

[hillelslovak87]

who is at fault? For what?

China? Our lack of ability to seal our borders?

Holy cow. I think you just wanna blame who you wish to blame. And it seems so overtly political. We have enough of that already

the Trump admin is at fault for dismantling a lot of our disaster preparedness in the years before the pandemic hit. He's responsible for choosing to not adopt WHO standard tests and choosing to formulate new ones from scratch, that failed. He's responsible for clearly thinking he could use public relations to smooth everything over for weeks while the South Koreans got to testing, and he's at fault for handling this situation in a manner absent of composure or capability.

I don't care about the politics, I actually care about the effects of incompetence in leadership, especially since people are going to needlessly die due to the actions of the moron who took 271 million from FEMA's disaster preparedness for his fucking wall, among so many other bullshit cash grabs like that.

 

[tonni]

He's so vulnerable

 

[Fatality]

You got to admit things are getting a little over hyped.

 

[hillelslovak87]

you say you don’t care about politics, and then say “trump is at fault” on the flimsiest of charges.

Our government is doing what it can. And democrats agree. Which is nice to see. It’s frankly refreshing and what America needs. The die hard partisans need to hang it up for a few months. Even if it is election year

South Korea is different from America. Ok? It’s not the same nation, nor the same people. People do not act the same around the globe.

The flimsiest of charges? Did he institute cuts and hiring freezes in relevant agencies, along with putting hacks like Azar into power? Yes.

Did he disband his WH's virology task force? Yes.

Did he cretinously try to tell everyone that it would be gone soon, as if by a miracle, and have numerous statements like that? Yes.

Is he continuing to give out false information? Yes.

Did him and his admin reject the WHO standard tests, pursuing a test from scratch from the CDC, a test that failed, thus putting us even further behind the curve? Yes.

I've brought this video from today up twice, and it's astounding how nobody arguing the government is doing all it can have attempted to actually address.


The actions of the administration De Blasio describes are PATHETIC and incapable. Easily the worst response to any disaster in the modern era.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Oh, this clip again.

 

[Wadtucket]

Con-cast


That cuck sensationalist hypeman "reporter" got eternally BTFO
Will probably go cry in the shower