Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread v2

Zazen said:
So unless millions of more people die this year then our actions aren't justified? That is just such a grim way of looking at the world. I don't know you personally but do you have anyone in your life that is very important to you? Maybe I'm just soft but ever since I had a child I really started looking at life differently. My wife and my child are everything to me and I'll do anything to keep my friends and family alive. I hate how many businesses are getting destroyed but the blame goes towards our government for only caring about short-term profit over the well-being of its citizens. We should have had emergency funds in place to give to all families each month.

The things that conservatives vote against and call communism are the things that would have been helping us right now. Once this is all over you'll go back to not giving a crap about most Americans again.
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It’s not about that, It’s about cost versus benefit...Maybe I’m missing something , I’m open to new information..Let’s say 100 people die in a year on average, 6 months 50 people etc....So two months in a virus is identified...I goes through society and the world for 6 months..At the 6 month mark the total deaths are recorded and the count is 50...
Does that raise some doubt, we close down the world , which has a cost and a price to pay, but how could the death rate still be on par with other years..?
We all care about lives, but we all have a different opinion on how to minimize death..
No one who is saying let’s open things up cares less about life, we think we are preserving more lives by opening.
 
Whippy McGee said:
You have a 1 in 1,600 chance of dying from CV-19 if the worst case scenario of 200,000 deaths occur. With over 1/2 of those deaths occurring in Nursing Homes, most Americans chances are really less than 1 in 3,200 to die from CV-19. We destroyed: livelihoods, medical care, businesses, countless jobs, and the economy for 1 in 1,600? 1 in 3,200? We trashed our National Debt as well. How many people died of drugs, alcohol, and other medical issues from this shut down of our nation? It's time to intelligently open up.
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Your 200k deaths figure is not worst case, it's worst case under lockdown.

This is a big difference.
 
Joe said:
200000 isn't even worst case. Its likely by the end of the year alone.
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Actually, it is per Dr. Fauci.

1 in 1,600 chance of dying if you are an American.
1 in 3,200 chance of dying if you are an American not living in a Nursing Home.

These are the numbers you find valid for destroying peoples' lives and wrecking the economy for generations by blasting the National Debt.
 
It's hard to even know what the "real" COVID-19 death toll is, for example in 2019, 8,000 people on average died everyday. Realistically, I think we need to ask how much the daily numbers have increased since the virus has appeared stateside.
 
The typical "Freedom Fighters"

"hang Fauci" sign? Isnt that illegal?

 
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Whippy McGee said:
Actually, it is per Dr. Fauci.

1 in 1,600 chance of dying if you are an American.
1 in 3,200 chance of dying if you are an American not living in a Nursing Home.

These are the numbers you find valid for destroying peoples' lives and wrecking the economy for generations by blasting the National Debt.
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The 200000 would be even higher if we listened to the just the flu bros.
 
Queen B said:
The typical "Freedom Fighters"

"hang Fauci" sign? Isnt that illegal?

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The thing about these people is that they aren't the ones suffering the worst from it. Black and brown folk are dying and getting fired. The ones that do have jobs are risking their lives to keep them. These people have no idea what they are talking about
 
PEB said:
My sister is a viral immunologist with "university chair for 7 of those years" over 30 years experience my brother-in-law is an OBGYN "hardly an expert" my niece's two of them are both board certified Doctors all say the same thing that things are working changing will make things worst come the fall. This is hardly rocket science we have not contained the spread we only reduced it and weather effects its spread. We need to continue to reduce the spread or make slight changes to help small businesses but this is only 2 months we went through a year after 9/11 and the previous pandemic was 2 years. This is hardly a stretch of time 2 months and we are making strides.

EDIT if you're wondering this is my sister.

" Former Chairperson Department of Immunology, focuses her research on innate immunity to viruses, , cytokines, and signal transducers and activators of transcription. Scripps Research Foundation, and was a Visiting Scientist at the Karolinska Institute as well as a Professor at Trinity College Dublin. Virology, as the Specialty Chief , on NIH Study Sections, , , and an elected Fellow of American Academy of Microbiology.
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Damn thats your sister?
She must be the black sheep of the family..
I mean you are a gold belt on Sherdog.
She need to step up bro.
 
Joe said:
The 200000 would be even higher if we listened to the just the flu bros.
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The "just the flu bros" are outliers. My point is to have an intelligent opening up, which many Democratic Governors are refusing to do. It's as if they want to sink the U.S. Economy and destroy lives by the millions.

1 in 3,200 is the odds if you are not in a Nursing Home. 1 in 1,600 if you are in one. It's time to open America up sensibly.
 
Some posters are having irrational fear while others push brou science videos. There are actual scientists who question the lockdown.

We can't wait for a vaccine, that might not even work, we need young people out and about getting infected and creating immunity. This virus with time will become just a regular flu because of our immune system.
 
@Wadtucket

Good news

NYC officially frozen for another 30 days, but we MIGHT be able to move to phase 1 slowly from end of June to July only if things look good
 
Wadtucket said:
Thanks Daddy

Am I allowed to apply some more lube
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Dude, if it were a fact that the same number of people will get the virus regardless, I wouldn't give a shit about lockdown or not. It's totally killing my business so if all I cared about was money I'd be all for ending shut downs immediately. But the fact is, going back to business as usual and allowing more large outbreaks will result in unnecessary illness and death, and all the knock on consequences they entail.

Regionally, we locked down hard and early and now we're already on the way to stepwise re-opening of the economy. In my province, there were no deaths from this virus. If we're careful to prevent future outbreaks until effective treatment and/or a vaccine is available, we will avoid many unnecessary deaths. It's definitely worth it to be cautious.
Wadtucket said:
@Queen B
She literally is advocating to kill all elderly
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The people campaigning for immediate end to lockdowns are saying money is more important that the lives of human beings. Literally.
 
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