Cormier

[Stuhby]

Not drastically lower maybe, but you cant simplify shit like this as every person is different. From 30 onwards it does drop so its possible a 35 y/o could have a lot less than someone mid 20s.

In quantity of test, sure.

That's not what this thread, and the megathread, were about. This is ratio of test to epi. That ratio should stay roughly 1:1.

Justsayin.

 

[strawberry]

In quantity of test, sure.

That's not what this thread, and the megathread, were about. This is ratio of test to epi. That ratio should stay roughly 1:1.

Justsayin.

But that's the catch, here. If the numbers Conte posted for DC can be trusted, (which we won't know until DC's full results are made public,) Daniel had a considerably higher T level than Jon.

 

[HelloJapan]

Worth looking at: https://twitter.com/VictorConte/status/553414145320570880

 

[Wayweary]

it doesn't change that much between 27 and 35.

The averages that they publish are highly idealized. Like, under the most controlled of circumstances, this is what you'd expect or given a large number of trials where aberrant results can balance out. T levels actually fluctuate quite a bit on a daily basis and, honestly, who can really say how accurate any given test is going to be on the day.

 

[faustian]

Without steroid abuse, your T levels shouldn't start dropping until you're in your 50's.

lol

 

[Navinabob]

No, Jones levels were lower then medically plausible. Daniel's levels were at the level of an 85-100 year old man's. Both are worrisome.

But... chances are none of these levels were real. These we're just the artificial levels of the fighters at the time of the test.

 

[Bryan teh Retar]

No, Jones levels were lower then medically plausible. Daniel's levels were at the level of an 85-100 year old man's. Both are worrisome.

But... chances are none of these levels were real. These we're just the artificial levels of the fighters at the time of the test.

T/E-ratio's don't fluctuate more than 30%

On page 4, it has been specified that the maximum relative standard combined uncertainty of 30% for the determination of T/E values shall be applied when the concentrations of either T OR E is below 5 ng/mL

The uc(%) for determinations of T/E ratios calculated from the corrected chromatographic peak areas or heights shall not exceed 15% when the concentrations of T and E are higher than 5 ng/mL; for lower concentrations of T or E, the uc(%) for the T/E determinations shall not exceed 30%

Per WADA technical documents

 

[roventu]

We got a bunch of white belt new account brodoctorates up in here!!

 

[kurtwpg]

I'm wondering how weight cutting might affect those ratios.

 

[Brockster]

Source? Dan Catlin says anything from .1 to 4 is normal. Admittedly, "normal" is a vague word.

Normal for what? A male at the age of 40? Jones having 0.19 is not normal for a 27 year old professional mma-fighter. Especially not someone who's performing at the levels that he's doing. As a poster said earlier, there's no way Jon could go through a trainingcamp and get himself into that good of a shape with a T/E-ratio that's a fifth of the normal mans ratio.

 

[Brockster]

I'm wondering how weight cutting might affect those ratios.

They can probably affect the ratios, but Jon was not cutting weight a month before the fight, probably dieting but not cutting weight.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

This is the 3rd thread made by someone who doesn't understand how to read ratios, use the search button.

The reason Jones' results were sketch wasn't just because he had a 0.19 ratio (which is half of cormiers who is 10 years older).

It was because of the way their t:e fluctuated between tests. Cormiers barely moved indicating normal fluctuation.

Jones' spiked between the tests, indicating hormonal suppression.

I can't wait to see this thread again a week from now.

 

[stav]

Last week the MMA world was abuzz with talk as it was revealed not only did UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones test positive for the main metabolite in cocaine, but also tested with an unusually low T/E ratio.

Surprisingly, his opponent for his UFC 182

 

[crxer]

lol Jones thread=everyone accusing him of using peds
Cormier thread= everyone saying he is clean
both passed their tests and are considered clean now. Look at the hypocrisy of the haters lol, hilarious.

 

[Alexandergreat3]

This is the cause of Cormier's low T:

This is the cause of Jones' low T:

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Why another thread on the subject? Nothing about DC's test result is suspicious. JJ is extremely suspicious, but as of now there is no evidence of PED use.

 

[zephid]

Without steroid abuse, your T levels shouldn't start dropping until you're in your 50's.

Actually your testosterone level usually decreases about 1%/year after age 30.