The natural causes for low ratios are either overtraining/bad lifestyle/age/some sort of sickness. Getting the ratios that Jon had is not normal and can't be explained due to overtraining or having a bad lifestyle (he's a professional athlete for christ sake), he could have a disease which causes his testosterone-levels to drop, but we have never heard of Jon having weird T/E-ratios before.
Then there are unnatural causes for low ratios, which to me are more probable. Low T/E-ratios could be the result of steroid-use, after a cycle the body's own testosterone-production is much lower than it usually is. Or he could have tried to increase his ephitestorone-levels.
But who knows, he could very well be clean, but when a top-athlete in such a demanding sport as mma, have weird T/E-ratios, it points to that something unallowed is being done.
It has been posted and Daniel Cormier is also 35 not 27 like Jones.
It has been posted and Daniel Cormier is also 35 not 27 like Jones.
Without steroid abuse, your T levels shouldn't start dropping until you're in your 50's.
What's way more troubling here is that you clearly can't undergo the kind of physical transformation that he does during his training camps with a low T .
There is an omerta at it's finest around Jones's results , but clearly if someone believes he can get from a 225ish skinny fat guy to a 225ish shredded juggernaut in weeks with 5ng of T per deciliter the, he needs to get his head checked or educate himself about sport/performance/hormones
What's way more troubling here is that you clearly can't undergo the kind of physical transformation that he does during his training camps with a low T .
There is an omerta at it's finest around Jones's results , but clearly if someone believes he can get from a 225ish skinny fat guy to a 225ish shredded juggernaut in weeks with 5ng of T per deciliter the, he needs to get his head checked or educate himself about sport/performance/hormones
Without steroid abuse, your T levels shouldn't start dropping until you're in your 50's.
It has been posted and Daniel Cormier is also 35 not 27 like Jones.
Spot on. I actually have low T but not as low as what Jones is displaying. I've never used drugs before, mine is just your run of the mill type. I can't imagine Jones completing a training camp with those low numbers, you get so exhausted after exercising that you feel like just quitting. It's a horrible feeling and so for Jones to go through that transformation is just mind boggling. There are times when I hit the weights and just want to quit, no idea on earth how Jones can do it. I've been approved for trt but decide not to take it due to all the side effects.
Did I go off topic? Oops.
I dont get how these guys have that low of ratios, does anyone know more about the transient changes in this ratio and if its normal to dip that low?
The natural causes for low ratios are either overtraining/bad lifestyle/age/some sort of sickness. Getting the ratios that Jon had is not normal and can't be explained due to overtraining or having a bad lifestyle (he's a professional athlete for christ sake), he could have a disease which causes his testosterone-levels to drop, but we have never heard of Jon having weird T/E-ratios before.
Gonna walk out of this thread with a doctorate in Bro Science.
Wrong. It has been proven that after cycling for hours T levels were unaffected in athletes
Assuming adequate health, a 35 y/o should not have drastically lower testosterone than a 27 y/o. In fact, it isn't uncommon for a healthy 35 y/o to have HIGHER total test than he had when he was 27, and free test within 10% or so.