Crime Cop who shot 36 y/o woman in her home found guilty of 2nd Degree Murder

cool story.

question: do you think (for example), or can you say if, State Cops are as a whole better than City cops? Like is there a particular type of LEO Dep't that is more/less likely to be well-trained or badly-trained and indeed more or less shady with it? I'm guessing its something that can't be predicted and is just specific to Dep'ts based on tradition/leadership, other than, I figure the smaller the jurisdiction the greater the likelihood of malpractise bordering corruption?

But then, that is unlikely to translate directly into 'the bigger the department the less chance of malpractise/corruption', I'm sure, at least thinking about horror-show stuff we have all heard about various big city PDs, Rampart Squad, the famous tv show unit in baltimore (I read the book that was based on).

I'm just wondering if there are any consistent/structural factors that might tend to better/worse PDs, beyond assuming small town jurisdictions sound like scary fucken places to get pulled over.

First off, great question and this will crack you the fuck up, but I literally just talked about this exact issue in class this morning. We talked about the differences between city/municipal police, county sheriff’s departments, state police, Feds, and private police.

First off, I will cover private police. To be really brief, I am against them. Why? Because just like private prisons-they are a fucking business that exists solely to make money. That’s it. They make more money by cutting corners. It is true that as a business model, they are beholden to their customers like any business, but in my opinion-they are typically rejects from real police departments and overall-I have little respect for them.

Private prisons are worse though. They exist to make money and make billions/year. They thrive off of packing as many criminals into their prisons as they possibly can and cut corners on food quality, medical treatment, educational and vocational training for inmates-which are substandard if they exist at all. They have a reputation for being substandard treatment of inmates and are rife with complaints of maltreatment. They basically make money anywhere they can from their commissary to renting the privilege of owning televisions in their rooms. They also thrive on recidivism, which is the reoffending of criminals and the rate hovers between 40-50% on any given years. And finally and most egregious imo, is that they take some of those billions they make per year on govt contracts and they give that money back to politicians and legislators in order to 1. Keep those contracts coming by promising jobs, cutting costs, and enriching the politicians themselves. Some towns only still exist because of a private prison located there. They also stuff their prisons full by giving money to campaigns of politicians in order to persuade them to keep as many draconian laws as possible and to keep up the pressure on police departments and state agencies to keep making those arrests. And by politicians, I mean senators, congress, and judges as well-which is a huge issue all around. And again, since they offer no education or vocation training like state prisons do-they hope their inmates end right back in their prisons. In one documentary I show my corrections class-just a few weeks ago, a city councilwoman refused to play ball and sign the new agreement with a private prison and the ceo of the company flew to her small town and met with her and demanded she sign the contract. She refused and the company sunk money into her political opponent to get her voted out. And since Feds quite using private prisons under biden, they have secured other contracts using their prisons to hold illegal immigrants.

Sorry for rant.

County sheriff’s are elected by public and they serve as law enforcement in both rural and urban areas. They have additional responsibilities than municipal police including running the county jails, serving subpoenas for court, transportation of criminals to and from court, serving mental hygiene commitments-though I have served those as well, or at least detained individuals until county got there, and they collect taxes, and issue gun permits. There are very large sheriff’s departments such as la county, but my county’s department handle the rural areas rather than our city. They are far less busy than we were and they typically stayed out of the “scary areas” in our hoods. In fact, I remember my very first riot. We were outnumbered 50-8. And were taking a beating. I got hit by a bottle and the sheriff’s department was right fucking there. I remember a few deputies standing there watching us get our asses kicked-we kicked back as well. And when things died down, my Lt and I and a few others were yelling at them for not helping and they said “we don’t get involved in city business.” There was a pissing battle between our departments at the time-so that was also a factor, but in my opinion-they were terrified of all the angry black faces that were rioting after a shooting-not a police shooting, but a gang one. This was two days before I went to the academy and we had a deputy that would hitch a ride down with us. He was one of the ones standing there and we never got along personality wise, but I also disliked and did not respect him because of that incident. He was bitch-made.

State police handle similar stuff to the county. They are supposed to handle highways and are sometimes the only law enforcement in rural areas for miles-same as some rural county guys. They manage sex offender registries and enforce only state codes-can’t make arrests on city charges. They supersede both city and county law enforcement-meaning that they can decide to take over a crime scene if they so choose-at least my state. We had a self-defense shooting many years ago where an armed robber went into a pharmacy and tried to steal all their opioids. He didn’t see the pharmacy manager standing to the side, whom was armed, and shot and killed the robber. We (my dept, not me personally) were first on scene. A state police captain showed up and ordered us off the scene and took over the investigation. It was an easy case to clear because it was on video-was witnessed by a dozen people, and was clear cut self-defense of another life. The captain wanted the case because he knew it would be high profile stuff and he was angling for a promotion-at least what I heard. But like the county departments, in my area, they stick to the more rural areas despite their hq being inside our city. Very rarely can I remember a state trooper coming to our aid. They almost never handled traffic crashes on the highways like they were supposed to-especially bad ones. They cited manpower issues because there were only a few assigned to our county. And like the deputies, they generally stayed out of the bad areas and “city business.” My neighbor is a retired state police captain-but he was well respected. They are required to have longer academy classes than other law enforcement in my state-mostly, in my opinion, in order to learn how to properly wear their stupid looking trooper hates and to properly insert the stick up their asses. Oh, and they run the state crime labs as well.

City police enforce state and municipal laws. Obviously, they handle calls in the city but most have mutual aid agreements with county and state authorities to lend officers when needed. They all have that, but as I stated, the other agencies don’t always come into the city when we needed them. Besides la county and a few other large sheriff’s depts that cover big cities in their county- generally the cities are where all the action and serious crime is. Your average city cop has a much greater call volume that the other two agencies-in my area, more call volume than the other two agencies combined and then tripled. I remember one year, our dept handled 46k calls compared to the county handled 8k calls and I don’t remember the state calls-but it was much less than the county. In general, city police officers have way more experience way sooner and are able to handle a greater variety of calls-again due to call volume. On average they will see way more shootings, murders, and crime in general. Again, it depends on where the county is located because lapd, maricopa county, dade county are all very busy departments that also see a lot.

Feds enforce fed crimes like bank robbery, kidnapping, murder of politicians, and have the ability to cross state lines-and make arrests. The other agencies are still law enforcement in other states when they are near the state borders-but they can’t cross state lines and make an arrest and transport the arrest across state lines and put them in their jail. Say you have a pursuit and city of is chasing a vehicle and it crosses state lines-they can still pursue and make an arrest to a certain extent. They can’t chase a vehicle for 30 miles into a neighboring state to serve a warrant or to because they fled a traffic stop. Fresh on the trail of a murder suspect-you stay on them until other law enforcement from that jurisdiction come in-but you wouldn’t simply turn around once they got there-you would continue to pursue and assist in the arrest in that case. Let’s say you have a chase that crosses state lines and immediately there is a crash-city police would make the arrest and then turn the arrest over to the law enforcement jurisdiction there and you would complete a fugitive from justice warrant to have the arrest extradited back to your state. Same way if you arrest someone in your jurisdiction from another state-the warrant would have to be entered ncic as an extraditable offense. You then make the arrest-serve the fugitive from justice warrant on them, take them to your jail to await extradition in which that law enforcement agency has to come and get them within a certain amount of time assuming the suspect waives extradition. If they don’t waive it, they wait in jail u til an extradition hearing where a judge makes a decision to hold the person to await pickup. Anyway, back to Feds. They handle bank robberies because often it involves investigations across state lines and because most banks are federally insured ( if it’s not=state bank robbery charge) meaning that basically banks are fed jurisdiction, however, I have made arrests and handled bank robbery calls many times. I have also served bank robbery warrants when we came across a suspect wanted for one. You still answer because Feds aren’t generally mobile and the first to respond to the call and take the report. Your department still does their own investigation, but the person is charged and tried federally. We have had bank robberies where the feds let us do the investigation and then collected our evidence we gathered and they get the warrants. They completely take over if the suspect flees the state but your officers still have to testify as to what steps they took, what evidence they gathered, etc

As for which one is better-man, it depends on a lot of factors. In general, state police have longer training-but much less experience in all manner of things. They typically ride alone so they have to be somewhat self-sufficient and may be the only law enforcement officer for miles with backup being far away. They are typically less specialized(except state crime lab techs) in terms of gang divisions, detectives, etc-however, most decent sized drug units have multiple agencies involved-city, state, county, and dea officers. As for which type has more of a reputation for corruption-depends. Both lapd and lasd have had big issues. I also know of tiny little departments being fully corrupt-one whole department was dissolved in Georgia-I think, where every single officer was dirty. Small towns are more likely to have a reputation for being more predatory in terms of revenue generation. And imo, city cops are almost always considered “more gritty”-they have to be. They also generally have more opportunities for corruption because typically larger forces, more contacts with criminals, and come in contact with more drugs/money/more criminals/more uses of force incidents/more arrests.

Hope this answers your question.
 
Cool beans, but you could possibly have watched the entire show in the time it took to write these two posts :p

Hey, everyone knows I am verbose af-but I am also not a lazy poster, put a lot of work and thought into this stuff, and have a lot to say on police matters.
 
Hey, everyone knows I am verbose af-but I am also not a lazy poster, put a lot of work and thought into this stuff, and have a lot to say on police matters.
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That's a lot of words.

The only question worth asking is: Are those jackboots at an easy reach?

J/K

Would you ever go back to work Internal Affairs rooting out bad cops?

I was approached by my fourth police chief-the one still currently there since 2013. He met with all the supervisors when he came on. He told us his life story and experience. He told me “I understand you run our self defense program” and then said “I will be completely honest with you-I was sued x amount of years ago for excessive force for breaking a guy’s jaw-trust me, he deserved it” and didn’t elaborate further. He then told me he was going to appoint an officer to our “office of professional affairs” or something akin to that name.-can’t recall, it has been five years since I have been gone. Prior to this, investigations into misconduct was always done by the chief’s office and the deputy chief. But he said to me that he looked at my-and all other supervisor’s personnel records, and he said that I had never had a sustained complaint against me. Sure, I had had complaints filed against me-but for very stupid or even outright false allegations-but again, never anything serious. Not one use of force complaint ever-well, -not a written one actually, one during my first year-but it was a guy that was at our biggest festival that got really drunk and started walking around hitting random people. We were informed that this was happening and got a description of the guy and went looking for him. There were three of us and we approached him and stopped him. He was very obviously drunk. We actually couldn’t arrest him at this time for punching people because we didn’t actually see it-in my state(and I think most, if not all others) you can’t make an arrest for a misdemeanor that did not occur in your presence (more on this in a minute) except domestic violence, shoplifting, and dui. This was several instances of battery-multiple misdemeanors. But we were damn sure going to arrest him for drunk in public to get him out of there and then get warrants for the batteries. We told him he was under arrest. He is already shirtless-a true sign of class to be sure. Instead of allowing us to handcuff him, he dumps a giant beer over his head. I thought what the fuck and why would one do that? It very soon became apparent. He starts swinging wildly at us-hitting one of the other officers. I tried to grab him to arrest him, but my hands slipped right the fuck off of him. It was actually one of the smartest and slickest dirty tricks that I have ever seen someone do. The officer that wasn’t hit also tried to grab him but couldn’t. I shoved him back and he lowers his head and charges at me. Well, what is a BJJ guy to do in that situation? I locked in a guillotine choke and put him out. We cuffed him and when he wakes up, he is shouting “what the fuck did you do to me!!?” “You fucking choked me and you can’t do that shit!” We had to drag him almost a whole block to get out of the crowd and to where the roads weren’t closed with him yelling police brutality the whole time. We took him to hq to give him the chance to calm down so we could get a name for the warrants, fingerprints, and photos-booking shots but also to prove he had to visible injuries and we also called the fire department to ensure he had no injury. Now, you would have to take them to the hospital to get medically cleared for jail because the jail will no longer take anyone that has had any type of physical force used on them after a jail in the eastern part of the state accepted a guy that had force used on him and he died. This was state wide and they also quit accepting drunks or visibly high individuals without medical clearance for another death that occurred with an extremely drunk guy that died from alcohol poisoning after a dui arrest. Anywya, he was still being a total asshole and combative and we were getting ready to take him to jail as a “John doe” because he wouldn’t tell us his name and had to id on him-this was another charge-obstruction of justice. And of course, he is still screaming about being choked out. Just then, as we are walking out to the cruiser outside the dept, his dad comes up. We knew him because he owned the quiznos in town-man, they had good sandwiches back in the day, but I think they are extinct. Anyway, dad comes up and identifies his son and tells us his name and info. Being in front of daddy changed his behavior. He started cooperating and we no longer had to drag him around. And he shut up about being choked, so there was never an actual complaint-not that it would have gone anywhere because of how violent he was.

Damn it, anyway. Chief says he would like the dept internal affairs office to have the self defense trainer in this position because I was in the best position to judge correct and incorrect uses of force. He also said that I shot up the ladder so fast (made sergeant sooner than any officer) so I was obviously smart and one of the only college educated officers at that time-now, it’s not uncommon anymore. He also had read my incident reports and mentioned that I was a competent writer: He also said my personnel file noted that I filed a use of force complaint against another officer-So he offered me the gig telling me that ultimately, I would field all written or verbal complaints made to an officer in an official capacity and I would present . I actually turned him down on the spot without much thought. It wasn’t because I didn’t want to “investigate my friends” or anything like that or was afraid of being despised and not trusted or everyone being cautious and distant-though, that was probably an inevitability-not just because you investigate complaints, but that means you’re now administration-who are universally disliked and you become an “other.” And, the main reason was because I didn’t want to live in hq and be chained to a desk not doing police work anymore and responding to calls. He mentioned that he could simply appoint me to the position and if I didn’t like it, I could walk. But ultimately he found his guy. I think this rejection made him instantly hate me for life. We have butted heads many times over the years and we are not really on speaking terms-though I need to fix that so I can have officers come in to talk to my criminal justice classes.
 
JOSHUAACE. He was a world class cunt and in my hall of fame for being such an arrogant, condescending, and insufferable twat waffle. That thread got quite heated. I was super confident that grayson was going down and ace was overconfident that he would walk. I used scotus case law that specifically relate to use of force (graham v connor and Johnson v flock) and deadly use of force (TN v Garner) and imo, mopped the floor with him so badly that he left sherdog-or blocked me because I wasn’t able to tag him to drag his bitch ass in here and rub his face in it.

Oh, and he claimed he was a renowned defense attorney as well lol. After you read this, do me a favor and see if you can tag him and let him know that he was dead wrong as I said and he can eat a bag of dicks-just in case he hasn’t been running and instead just blocked me because I mopped the floor with him.


In fact, he wanted to bet accounts-loser leaves sherdog forever. Despite my confidence in my assessment, I don’t gamble for any reason. I hate gambling-I don’t do scratch offs or lottery, don’t play slots, sports gambling, etc and I hate it even more now because my YouTube feed commercials were ALL sports betting-betmgm, sportsbook, bitcoin and bitcoin experts that want to teach you to be a millionaire, and other predatory cunts and many of the commercials-you can’t skip. And I was bit especially hard because I watch tons of mma channels, fishing videos (again, a sport-so I must like gambling) and call of duty threads-so again, I would probably like online gambling. I also watch a metric ton of Cenozoic mega fauna video (giant mammals from millions of years ago) and despite how much I hate those commercials, I am not springing for YouTube plus to avoid them-so a few weeks ago, after developing an extremely unhealthy hatred for jon hamm and kevin hart because they’re in every commercial, I looked up how to block gambling ads.

The second reason I wouldn’t bet my 20 year old account was that I have seen the justice system fail over and over again. I have personally seen a jury vote to acquit a career violent felon for felony domestic battery because they didn’t like the victim. She was a pregnant crack whore that her pimp beat with a bicycle. She had a perjury charge-convicted of lying in a court of law, which the defense tried to play up-but it never ever should have mattered because I actually saw the incident taking place. I was on patrol in the ghetto and saw a crowd formed at the entrance of an alley known for drug dealing. There were probably about 20 people. We tried to turn down the alley and we heard people screaming “5-0!!” And no one would Move out of the way-they were purposely blocking the road and warning him that we were there. I took note of who wouldn’t move and I got each of them in my own way when they maybe would have normally gotten the occasional break-not anymore.

Anyway, I was able to see through the crowd that there was a woman on the ground and her bf and pimp was holding a bicycle over his head and he kept bringing it down on her legs. We had to race at high speed to the next alley and when we got there, the bike was on the ground, he was trying to pretend like he was walking away-and he said “the dumb bitch is high and falling down again.” I immediately arrested him-thankfully, he tried to resist and I slammed his face onto the hot cruiser’s trunk that had been baking in the summer sun. We took her to the hospital-again, she was pregnant, and she had bike wheel marks up and down her legs and had a bloody lip and nose-I don’t see him hit her in the face. I testified as to what I saw-him physically hit her with a bike tire, then testified that I know them to be intimate partners, and finally, that upon checking his triple I history (an fbi record of every time you ever got arrested and fingerprinted by law enforcement and it has the dispositions that tell you outcomes, court case numbers, and sentence). It differs from a criminal background d check that only shows what you were convicted of-not the court case numbers and dates-which are required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person in question has had more than 2 previous domestic violence convictions because the third is a felony. This incident put him in the violent habitual offender category and he could have gone away for a long time and he was an absolute asshole every time you dealt with him so it made me happy to know (or believe it would happen) that he was going away for a long time.

Anyway, the jury voted to acquit. I was crushed. Again, I saw it-I saw him beating her with a bike and her perjury conviction didn’t fucking matter.

I knew one of the jurors-roberta. Her father owned the biggest, most profitable car dealership in the area and they were millionaires. She was the VP. She was also married to a former cop who was known to be an incompetent and notoriously lazy coward that went back to school and became an incredibly lazy prosecutor-which should have prevented her from being on the jury in the first place-but her coming from money and influence, she really wanted to be on that jury because it would be fun and interesting: I remember the voir dire (when prosecution and defense question potential jurors to determine whom they want to strike) and I remember one of them asking her despite her husband, could she remain unbiased and she said “on her honor as a mother of two kids.”


Anyway, she always wanted law enforcement business and offered what they called “friends and family benefits” to all law enforcement officers and they had been trying to get a contract with the city to ensure we bought our police cruisers through them. I made an absolute stink over it-telling anyone I could to not buy cars from them. I told friends, other officers, other police departments in the area-again, I was a bear scorned. Well, one of my former partners whom I had never liked (he was a compulsive gambler and when I was a rookie, he would park at the 7-11 and do scratch offs for most of the shift and wouldn’t let me drive and wouldn’t let me get into any action because he was a lazy pos) is really good friends with her. He comes up to me one day and tells me I need to cool it with smearing Roberta’s name all over town.

First, he says that she is good to law enforcement and respects officers more than just about anyone in the city. So I tell him that she was on a jury that unanimously voted to acquit a known violent offender and woman beater as well as being a crack dealer and he had a manslaughter conviction in his past for killing someone and they let him walk. He then says he’s going to level with me-she really really wanted to convict him and so did some of the other jurors, but there was one guy that said “she’s a crack whore and pregnant-fuck her” he mentions that according to roberta, this juror kept railing on about how she smokes cigarettes, drinks alcohol, smokes crack, and sells her body all while carrying a baby which will never have a chance in life. And that is one million percent valid-she was a piece of shit. She was destroying the human baby inside of her with poison and it would never ever be raised by its own mother-thank god, and it would fail to thrive due to health issues associated with smoking crack in utero and health issues associated with drinking and smoking while pregnant. That poor kid didn’t stand a chance in life just based on those health issues that affect how the brain develops and it is proven that such exposure to those particular chemicals stunt growth and have life-long effects. So, yes absolutely, I get it. In fact, she pissed me off to see her hooking on the streets and smoking and drinking and I actually arrested her quite a few times hoping that she would get locked up and the baby-poisoning would cease while she was in lock up, but she kept getting out-bailed out my her pump because a pregnant crack whore is a kink for some people and they paid good money for her.
So my old partner, Dave, is really trying to get me to understand that she didn’t have a chance because that other juror was really the bad guy-not her. I told him that I absolutely don’t give a fuck and that by voting to acquit-she and the other jurors not only allowed a violent criminal to walk on a potential 10+ year stretch-that they allowed a man to beat a pregnant woman without consequences that could have actually killed that baby-that she and the other jurors could have not simply gone along with one piece of shit that condoned the behavior because she was a bad person and not fit to be a mother, but they did so for less than an hour.

That’s how long they deliberated-less than an hour for them to completely dismiss my testimony and the work I put in and the hour I put on the stand being questioned by some sleazy defense attorney who vigorously defended this man and was also, like ace, a condescending cunt.

So that’s why I don’t trust the court system enough to gamble my account.

Again, let me know if you can tag him because I can’t.




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Looks like he doesn't exist anymore. Tucked tail like a biatch!
 
I missed that part. That’s an outrage. He deserves life in prison. Unfortunately this is a known problem with police departments in the US where they don’t really communicate and will hire bad cops that were fired for misconduct a county over. There needs to be some national standards established

There was a newly created national database for problem officers that Trump pulled the plug on his first month back in office.

 
First off, great question and this will crack you the fuck up, but I literally just talked about this exact issue in class this morning. We talked about the differences between city/municipal police, county sheriff’s departments, state police, Feds, and private police.

First off, I will cover private police. To be really brief, I am against them. Why? Because just like private prisons-they are a fucking business that exists solely to make money. That’s it. They make more money by cutting corners. It is true that as a business model, they are beholden to their customers like any business, but in my opinion-they are typically rejects from real police departments and overall-I have little respect for them.

Private prisons are worse though. They exist to make money and make billions/year. They thrive off of packing as many criminals into their prisons as they possibly can and cut corners on food quality, medical treatment, educational and vocational training for inmates-which are substandard if they exist at all. They have a reputation for being substandard treatment of inmates and are rife with complaints of maltreatment. They basically make money anywhere they can from their commissary to renting the privilege of owning televisions in their rooms. They also thrive on recidivism, which is the reoffending of criminals and the rate hovers between 40-50% on any given years. And finally and most egregious imo, is that they take some of those billions they make per year on govt contracts and they give that money back to politicians and legislators in order to 1. Keep those contracts coming by promising jobs, cutting costs, and enriching the politicians themselves. Some towns only still exist because of a private prison located there. They also stuff their prisons full by giving money to campaigns of politicians in order to persuade them to keep as many draconian laws as possible and to keep up the pressure on police departments and state agencies to keep making those arrests. And by politicians, I mean senators, congress, and judges as well-which is a huge issue all around. And again, since they offer no education or vocation training like state prisons do-they hope their inmates end right back in their prisons. In one documentary I show my corrections class-just a few weeks ago, a city councilwoman refused to play ball and sign the new agreement with a private prison and the ceo of the company flew to her small town and met with her and demanded she sign the contract. She refused and the company sunk money into her political opponent to get her voted out. And since Feds quite using private prisons under biden, they have secured other contracts using their prisons to hold illegal immigrants.

Sorry for rant.

County sheriff’s are elected by public and they serve as law enforcement in both rural and urban areas. They have additional responsibilities than municipal police including running the county jails, serving subpoenas for court, transportation of criminals to and from court, serving mental hygiene commitments-though I have served those as well, or at least detained individuals until county got there, and they collect taxes, and issue gun permits. There are very large sheriff’s departments such as la county, but my county’s department handle the rural areas rather than our city. They are far less busy than we were and they typically stayed out of the “scary areas” in our hoods. In fact, I remember my very first riot. We were outnumbered 50-8. And were taking a beating. I got hit by a bottle and the sheriff’s department was right fucking there. I remember a few deputies standing there watching us get our asses kicked-we kicked back as well. And when things died down, my Lt and I and a few others were yelling at them for not helping and they said “we don’t get involved in city business.” There was a pissing battle between our departments at the time-so that was also a factor, but in my opinion-they were terrified of all the angry black faces that were rioting after a shooting-not a police shooting, but a gang one. This was two days before I went to the academy and we had a deputy that would hitch a ride down with us. He was one of the ones standing there and we never got along personality wise, but I also disliked and did not respect him because of that incident. He was bitch-made.

State police handle similar stuff to the county. They are supposed to handle highways and are sometimes the only law enforcement in rural areas for miles-same as some rural county guys. They manage sex offender registries and enforce only state codes-can’t make arrests on city charges. They supersede both city and county law enforcement-meaning that they can decide to take over a crime scene if they so choose-at least my state. We had a self-defense shooting many years ago where an armed robber went into a pharmacy and tried to steal all their opioids. He didn’t see the pharmacy manager standing to the side, whom was armed, and shot and killed the robber. We (my dept, not me personally) were first on scene. A state police captain showed up and ordered us off the scene and took over the investigation. It was an easy case to clear because it was on video-was witnessed by a dozen people, and was clear cut self-defense of another life. The captain wanted the case because he knew it would be high profile stuff and he was angling for a promotion-at least what I heard. But like the county departments, in my area, they stick to the more rural areas despite their hq being inside our city. Very rarely can I remember a state trooper coming to our aid. They almost never handled traffic crashes on the highways like they were supposed to-especially bad ones. They cited manpower issues because there were only a few assigned to our county. And like the deputies, they generally stayed out of the bad areas and “city business.” My neighbor is a retired state police captain-but he was well respected. They are required to have longer academy classes than other law enforcement in my state-mostly, in my opinion, in order to learn how to properly wear their stupid looking trooper hates and to properly insert the stick up their asses. Oh, and they run the state crime labs as well.

City police enforce state and municipal laws. Obviously, they handle calls in the city but most have mutual aid agreements with county and state authorities to lend officers when needed. They all have that, but as I stated, the other agencies don’t always come into the city when we needed them. Besides la county and a few other large sheriff’s depts that cover big cities in their county- generally the cities are where all the action and serious crime is. Your average city cop has a much greater call volume that the other two agencies-in my area, more call volume than the other two agencies combined and then tripled. I remember one year, our dept handled 46k calls compared to the county handled 8k calls and I don’t remember the state calls-but it was much less than the county. In general, city police officers have way more experience way sooner and are able to handle a greater variety of calls-again due to call volume. On average they will see way more shootings, murders, and crime in general. Again, it depends on where the county is located because lapd, maricopa county, dade county are all very busy departments that also see a lot.

Feds enforce fed crimes like bank robbery, kidnapping, murder of politicians, and have the ability to cross state lines-and make arrests. The other agencies are still law enforcement in other states when they are near the state borders-but they can’t cross state lines and make an arrest and transport the arrest across state lines and put them in their jail. Say you have a pursuit and city of is chasing a vehicle and it crosses state lines-they can still pursue and make an arrest to a certain extent. They can’t chase a vehicle for 30 miles into a neighboring state to serve a warrant or to because they fled a traffic stop. Fresh on the trail of a murder suspect-you stay on them until other law enforcement from that jurisdiction come in-but you wouldn’t simply turn around once they got there-you would continue to pursue and assist in the arrest in that case. Let’s say you have a chase that crosses state lines and immediately there is a crash-city police would make the arrest and then turn the arrest over to the law enforcement jurisdiction there and you would complete a fugitive from justice warrant to have the arrest extradited back to your state. Same way if you arrest someone in your jurisdiction from another state-the warrant would have to be entered ncic as an extraditable offense. You then make the arrest-serve the fugitive from justice warrant on them, take them to your jail to await extradition in which that law enforcement agency has to come and get them within a certain amount of time assuming the suspect waives extradition. If they don’t waive it, they wait in jail u til an extradition hearing where a judge makes a decision to hold the person to await pickup. Anyway, back to Feds. They handle bank robberies because often it involves investigations across state lines and because most banks are federally insured ( if it’s not=state bank robbery charge) meaning that basically banks are fed jurisdiction, however, I have made arrests and handled bank robbery calls many times. I have also served bank robbery warrants when we came across a suspect wanted for one. You still answer because Feds aren’t generally mobile and the first to respond to the call and take the report. Your department still does their own investigation, but the person is charged and tried federally. We have had bank robberies where the feds let us do the investigation and then collected our evidence we gathered and they get the warrants. They completely take over if the suspect flees the state but your officers still have to testify as to what steps they took, what evidence they gathered, etc

As for which one is better-man, it depends on a lot of factors. In general, state police have longer training-but much less experience in all manner of things. They typically ride alone so they have to be somewhat self-sufficient and may be the only law enforcement officer for miles with backup being far away. They are typically less specialized(except state crime lab techs) in terms of gang divisions, detectives, etc-however, most decent sized drug units have multiple agencies involved-city, state, county, and dea officers. As for which type has more of a reputation for corruption-depends. Both lapd and lasd have had big issues. I also know of tiny little departments being fully corrupt-one whole department was dissolved in Georgia-I think, where every single officer was dirty. Small towns are more likely to have a reputation for being more predatory in terms of revenue generation. And imo, city cops are almost always considered “more gritty”-they have to be. They also generally have more opportunities for corruption because typically larger forces, more contacts with criminals, and come in contact with more drugs/money/more criminals/more uses of force incidents/more arrests.

Hope this answers your question.


very much so, thanks.

yeah, I guessed it wouldn't be so neat as 'X type Dep't more/less likely to be incompetent/corrupt', just wondered if there were any likely common denominators. Being LEO in a jurisdiction where a private jail is a good part of the local economy would seem to be one, and would make very obvious, depressingly predictable sense.

Just to clear one thing you have mentioned up: you were a city cop but you went to the State academy i think (academy classes only happen every so often so you go when the next window comes up, I get that)? and i think you mentioned, you already had some time on the street at that point? how was that introduced, like, you just had like 2 months/whatever probationing with an experienced officer 'do your best bro' before any academy training? sounds, challenging. who else would tarin at the State academy, just city and State cops or would Country sheriffs send their guys too?

I am wondering if the standards for training county sheriffs is *very* variable unless they have access to the State academy.
 
Where are the riots for that poor lady?
The whole situation is just horrible.
 
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