Conor vs Poirier 1

[Poirierfan]

A fresh, young, healty Poirier that goes down with a shot like that

I still can't figure it out how was it possible. It looks like he went down on purpose.

it doesn't take much when you hit someone behind the ear. Dustin did the same thing to Max in their last fight.

 

[BigOlJeet]

Green Dustin isn’t anything special, it’s the rematch that counted the most when Conor got KTFO.

 

[sonofjay817]

His downfall was going up to 170 lbs
to fight Nate. He lost his movement and was forced to focus on his hands because doing spinning shit, and moving like he was with that much weight on with his frame was not sustainable and/or possible.

His biggest mistake was being delusional and thinking he could fight at 170 lbs.

That's a good point. I'm of the conviction that even at his age now, with discipline and a solid nutrition plan, he could get back there but of course he won't.

 

[ElLunico]

That's a good point. I'm of the conviction that even at his age now, with discipline and a solid nutrition plan, he could get back there but of course he won't.

ZERO chance he can get back to where he was. Hes old and too many drugs and alcohol. Hes never fighting again. The training and preparation for a fight would KO him at this point.

 

[rollthedice]

That, but conor was on some real jedi mind tricks back then

It was almost like witchcraft, that's how much he was messing with these guys psychologically in and out of the cage.

I also think it's responsible for bringing out
best version of Diaz. I don't think we get that version of him if he wasn't put in a scenario where it felt like life or death.

That's where this level of psychological manipulation can backfire, Conor has genuinely crippled a few guys with these tactics, while giving others some next level motivation.

You're spot on, he won many fights before the bell rang. He knew how to get into other's heads and psych them out, the odd time it backfired like as you mentioned with Nate, also happened with Khabib.

 

[mkt]

You're spot on, he won many fights before the bell rang. He knew how to get into other's heads and psych them out, the odd time it backfired like as you mentioned with Nate, also happened with Khabib.

Rousey had that effect more than any other modern (post-2000) fighter. Cat Zingano looked scared to death and got finished in 14 seconds. Then she TKO'd Correira in 30 seconds. I don't know much about Correira, but would've bet on her vs. Ronda in a pure kickboxing match. Ronda's striking was quite atrocious.

Royce Gracie had that in his favor as well, along with a big skill gap. Give some of his early opponents one month of modern grappling training and the fights would look much different. A lot of them mentally gave up as soon as Royce clinched with them.

 

[rollthedice]

Rousey had that effect more than any other modern (post-2000) fighter. Cat Zingano looked scared to death and got finished in 14 seconds. Then she TKO'd Correira in 30 seconds. I don't know much about Correira, but would've bet on her vs. Ronda in a pure kickboxing match. Ronda's striking was quite atrocious.

Royce Gracie had that in his favor as well, along with a big skill gap. Give some of his early opponents one month of modern grappling training and the fights would look much different. A lot of them mentally gave up as soon as Royce clinched with them.

Do you think it would be fair to say this is what Poatan recently had as well? The psychological aspect of fighting is often overlooked but the majority of fighting is a psychological battle

 

[mkt]

Do you think it would be fair to say this is what Poatan recently had as well? The psychological aspect of fighting is often overlooked but the majority of fighting is a psychological battle

Not as extreme as Ronday or Royce, but there's some of that with Poatan. In the Ank fight, DC and the other commentator (forget who but he was a former fighter) talked about Ank being in a good position at times to shoot for a TD but he wouldn't do it. I guarantee D.C., Jones, Phil Davis, Rashad, Bader and even Couture and Tito from 20 years ago would be attempting a lot of TDs on Poatan. Some of them would be successful.

 

[mkt]

ZERO chance he can get back to where he was. Hes old and too many drugs and alcohol. Hes never fighting again. The training and preparation for a fight would KO him at this point.

Yep. Chandler has stayed in incredible shape and takes great care of himself and he's clearly been past his prime since age 35. Add in all the substance abuse for Conor and it's worse for him.

 

[mkt]

Conor at FW was legitimately one of the peak martial artists we have ever seen.

He had tremendous range awareness, a very unpredictable tools etc with those long range karate kicks and lots of body attacks plus the sniper left straight, and he was moving all over the place.

Remember:

"You've seen me on salad, now watch me on steaks."

I watched.

Nate smoked him.

I was like, yo, you should go back to salads.
You were really special on salads.

I don't think he could go back to FW after USADA banned the way he, Hendricks and others used IVs. I'm sure it's the only way AJ McKee (even bigger than Conor) made FW for a while in Bellator, since they didn't have USADA restrictions.

 

[MRT]

It’s not even the same guy post Floyd truthfully

Can’t even compare the two

Nate took the shine off Conor before the Floyd match though...before them, Conor had a different aura about him.

 

[XociDe]

Pre-Maywerather Conor was obviously one of the greatest of all time.

 

[StewDogg11]

His downfall was going up to 170 lbs
to fight Nate. He lost his movement and was forced to focus on his hands because doing spinning shit, and moving like he was with that much weight on with his frame was not sustainable and/or possible.

His biggest mistake was being delusional and thinking he could fight at 170 lbs.

He largely won the second Diaz fight because of his kicks…

 

[StewDogg11]

Green Dustin isn’t anything special, it’s the rematch that counted the most when Conor got KTFO.

Lol this was literally Poirier’s 13th Zuffa fight…

 

[BigOlJeet]

Lol this was literally Poirier’s 13th Zuffa fight…

Plus Conor was doing illegal back of the head shots and still couldn’t KO Dustin, TKO sure, but what Dustin did basically was KTFO Conor.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Conor punched him in the back of the head. It should have been a DQ win for Poirer.
Poirer 3 Conor 0.

 

[StewDogg11]

Plus Conor was doing illegal back of the head shots and still couldn’t KO Dustin, TKO sure, but what Dustin did basically was KTFO Conor.

What are you talking about? I was referencing you saying Poirier was “green” when he clearly wasn’t.

 

[jeff7b9]

I don't think he could go back to FW after USADA banned the way he, Hendricks and others used IVs. I'm sure it's the only way AJ McKee (even bigger than Conor) made FW for a while in Bellator, since they didn't have USADA restrictions.

I agree.
He was really pushing the envelope to make 145 and that was age 25,.he was naturally filling out still, he was gonna have to move up.


IV ban is a terrible idea though.
Take away the medically most effective way to rehydrate.
Literally what they would do to treat you for dehydration in a medical setting.

I hate detached from reality shit like that.
It's like taking seat belts out of cars to try to deter reckless driving... people are not perfect and they are gonna do what they are going to do.
Don't force them to have MORE danger, as some sort of backwards logic preemptive strike.

"We gotta do somthing!!"

Not necessarily.
Not if the thing you are going to do is worse than the thing you are trying to fix.

 

[Koya]

A fresh, young, healty Poirier that goes down with a shot like that

I still can't figure it out how was it possible. It looks like he went down on purpose.

He was mentally beaten before the fight. Watch the UFC countdown episode for it

 

[VAfan]

do you hug your action figure every night before you go to bed too?