Conor never fought against an opponent that avoided the standup match.

[migeru29]

Conor KO/TKO when his opponent engage him toe to toe. Only examples where he didn't are ironically when his opponents are good strikers with a good chin (Diaz and a young Max).

The only example of Conor finishing an opponent that somewhat (not completely) didn't engage him toe to toe was a 2 week notice much smaller fighter (Mendes) but he got beaten after being out of gas.

In other words you don't have any example of Conors finishing opponents that avoid the striking department.

So please enlighten me and tell me how exactly is that KO/TKO going to happen if Khabib won't be stupid as Alvarez and others and will avoid the stand up match?

 

[Fight Professor]

Mendes wanted to get to the ground asap.

 

[Skeptic_Zero]

This is what's more interesting-

For anyone who's trained/competed in MMA or wrestling - you know how to do a good sprawl when a guy shoots in on you. Now think of how you would throw an uppercut (or an uppercut-style hook).

Two completely different, mutually exclusive movements. If you decide to punch, you can't really sprawl in time. Vice versa. So for all these guys saying Conor will hit Khabib on the way in, he better knock him out on literally the first punch, because if he goes for a punch he's 100% going to be on his back. And he won't get up unless the ref or bell saves him.

 

[Rittsy]

Khabib never fought someone from Crumlin.

 

[Final Say]

Mendes tried and failed

Alvarez made attempts and was completely hopeless

Diaz tried to take him down a lot

 

[loisestrad]

So, basically what you're saying is that Conor never fought anyone who avoided the stand up (except "somewhat" Mendes), whom Conor finished, and therefore he sucks at finishing fighters who doesn't engage?

Great logic!

 

[Dankoz]

It's easier said than done. You can't just rush for takedown against Conor without setting it up because he is one of the better counter strikes of history.

 

[Sjb1888]

That's only coz he didn't allow them to avoid it.

Aldo, Mendes and Alvarez had 100% intention of taking Conor to the ground.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

There’s 10 of these threads a day

Anyone with a brain understands how this fight goes 99/100 times

Khabib by mauling .... or Conor by KO within 2 rounds.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Mendes tried and failed

Alvarez made attempts and was completely hopeless

Diaz tried to take him down a lot

Pretty sure Mendes took him down at will until he gassed. Had he not been coming off a bender, it would have been 5 rounds of that. And Conor tried to take Diaz down, then got choked.

Conor is really good. Great stand up, good takedown defense. But he has also had the benefit of favorable matchups for the most part. However, he capitalized on those and should get plenty of credit for it. Except Diaz. He got merc’d by Diaz, then squeezed out a decision in which everyone knew all he had to do was survive 5 rounds and the judges would give it to him.

 

[Gilday]

So, basically what you're saying is that Conor never fought anyone who avoided the stand up (except "somewhat" Mendes), whom Conor finished, and therefore he sucks at finishing fighters who doesn't engage?

Great logic!

I mean it's a fair point, and he never said he sucks at finishing fighters who don't engage.

We've never seen someone fight Conor who is planning on only fighting on the ground. That could play right into Conor's hands for all we know, or it could be his downfall.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

This is not a wrestling match. It is a fight. Your man is going to have to get inside consistently over and over in the first 10 minutes to get the job done. And he’s going to have to walk through some serious fire to get there.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Pretty sure Mendes took him down at will until he gassed. Had he not been coming off a bender, it would have been 5 rounds of that. And Conor tried to take Diaz down, then got choked.

Conor is really good. Great stand up, good takedown defense. But he has also had the benefit of favorable matchups for the most part. However, he capitalized on those and should get plenty of credit for it. Except Diaz. He got merc’d by Diaz, then squeezed out a decision in which everyone knew all he had to do was survive 5 rounds and the judges would give it to him.

Chad Was supposed to be a bad matchup. Jose was supposed to destroy him. How was that a favorable matchup? How was Eddie a favorable matchup another man that was supposed to destroy him? I love the revisionist history.

 

[Sjb1888]

This is what's more interesting-

For anyone who's trained/competed in MMA or wrestling - you know how to do a good sprawl when a guy shoots in on you. Now think of how you would throw an uppercut (or an uppercut-style hook).

Two completely different, mutually exclusive movements. If you decide to punch, you can't really sprawl in time. Vice versa. So for all these guys saying Conor will hit Khabib on the way in, he better knock him out on literally the first punch, because if he goes for a punch he's 100% going to be on his back. And he won't get up unless the ref or bell saves him.

Sprawling isn't really Conor's chosen defence to takedowns, he tries to time them coming in with a little spring back followed by a counter.

 

[migeru29]

Mendes wanted to get to the ground asap.

Yeah but not like in a desperate way. Anyways he was successful until he got tired. Do you see Khabib getting tired?

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Sprawling isn't really Conor's chosen defence to takedowns, he tries to time them coming in with a little spring back followed by a counter.

Well scouted..

 

[Final Say]

Pretty sure Mendes took him down at will

nope, watch again

until he gassed.

he gassed because of conor

Had he not been coming off a bender, it would have been 5 rounds of that.

lol'd at bender. Conor got up from every take down by himself and beat the hell out of Chad every time they were standing. There would be no five round version of that fight, period.

And Conor tried to take Diaz down, then got choked.

Not relevant at all this discussion. But prior to that, Nate took Conor down and got instantly swept and ended up on his back.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Yeah but not like in a desperate way. Anyways he was successful until he got tired. Do you see Khabib getting tired?

If Khabib is coming in desperate for a takedown the odds of a knockout go way up. He needs to come in with some footwork and technique on the feet. Because he’s facing a man with tons of footwork and technique. Also power..

 

[PlatinumAmerican]

I think the question is khabibs chin can he take the punches without changing anything about his speed or chain grappling wrestling forward pressure - if he starts thinking too much after he gets cracked it’s over for him

 

[migeru29]

That's only coz he didn't allow then to avoid it.

Aldo, Mendes and Alvarez had 100% intention of taking Conor to the ground.

Lol Alvarez never even attempted until he realized that didn't hace any business in the striking department