Conor McGregor "145 guys crumble with those shots, it was harder to hurt a bigger man"

[Rex Kwon Do]

Puzzling to me that Nate Diaz lands this combination all the time. It's like the oldest trick in the book and professional fighters can't handle it. Not saying it's easy or that they should be able to avoid it, but just surprising that it's so effective at this level.

Yeah, it's interesting. Rogan and people are always talking about how good Michael Johnson's boxing is yet Nate landed the same 1-2 on him 100 fucking times in that fight. Johnson just couldn't adjust.

 

[Hardkore]

Puzzling to me that Nate Diaz lands this combination all the time. It's like the oldest trick in the book and professional fighters can't handle it. Not saying it's easy or that they should be able to avoid it, but just surprising that it's so effective at this level.

That 1-2 is his bread and butter, just because it's the most basic of combos doesn't mean it's no less effective regardless of skill level.

 

[shortlefthook]

lets look at these vids of conors power 'not transferring in a higher weight class'
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look how nate moves with every left hand conor throws, hes not moving against it, hes moving with it, but no it was all his chin bro, just bleed bro, all his chin, no defense.

yea bro im a gold belt on sherdog bro i know fighting.

 

[Lanshire]

I can't remember the last time people went so extreme to one side or the other blaming/defending a fighter.

Thought it was a great fight. Always liked Nate as a fighter, and Conor too. Both their outside the cage personalities can be entertaining but sometimes annoying to me. I really didn't care who won so I have no skin in blaming/defending either fighter. I give credit to Conor for having the balls to fight up a weight class from the one he held the title in and Nate for taking the fight on short notice and not just looking to get a payday.

I don't think Conor gassed. It's possible he did from throwing hard punches but that's not what I saw. I thought he was clearly winnng a competitive fight both mentally and physically right up until that 1-2 Nate landed with just over 2 minutes to go in the 2nd. It was as clear as day watching the tide turn when that hit Conor.

Not everyone in a weight class is the same size. There's a 20 pound difference and that brings with it a lot of room for variance in weight/height/reach/etc. People saying Conor is "bullying" FW's...I'm not sure I agree with that. If that's the case then guys like Jones and Rumble are "bullying" a lower weight class too. I've been a cold stone critic of the current weight cutting BS in MMA for years and I'd love to see fighters have to weigh in hydrated, but Conor isn't massively bigger than a lot of other FWs. The way I see it, Conor is a big FW, an average sized LW. Nate is a pretty big LW. When I say "big" I'm taking into considering height & reach along with weight.

Yes, the size DOES make a difference. Anyone who's ever particiated in any contact sport should realize this. Hell, even in sports like powerlifting & weightlifting it makes a difference. Conor isn't used to fighting someone who has a reach advantage on him. The height difference just compounds that reach advantage. He was landing some solid shots on Nate but he was also missing more than usual because he had to cover so much ground to get past Nate's reach advantage. As far as power goes, all else being equal, a bigger man can absorb the force a little better than a smaller man. Probably more important though is that it's harder to generate power when punching up than punching down. Earlier this week I thought Nate was about 5'10" like his stats said but I was wrong. He's clearly got about 3-4" of height on Conor and it is harder to land hard punches on a man 3" inches taller than on someone 3" shorter. Doesn't mean it can't be done but it's more difficult. So there is some truth to what Conor is saying in the posted video. I'm not trying to make excuses cuz I couldn't give two shits. Just stating some challenges he was having. Each fighter presents different problems and these were some of the problems Nate presented. Nate did a great job weathering Conor's strikes and landing some of his own and then capitalizing on that nice 1-2 and putting Conor away.

I'd love to see these two fight again in the future, just not before each of them fights a couple other fighters.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

I think Conor honestly believed that if he landed his left hand Nate would drop like all the featherweights have, but it was not the case and he actually had a good performance and if he had been fighgting a featherweight last night I think he would have dropped them in the 1st round. He really under estimated how power translates through the weight classes. Manny Paqciao found this out a lot, always had KO's, but when he moved up in weight all his fights went to decision and couldn't drop guys.

 

[skombolis]

Puzzling to me that Nate Diaz lands this combination all the time. It's like the oldest trick in the book and professional fighters can't handle it. Not saying it's easy or that they should be able to avoid it, but just surprising that it's so effective at this level.

I think it's mainly because he gets them tired, hurt, or both with his pressure and volume. After that, their mind might know it's coming but they can't get their body to react fast enough to do anything about it.

Nate also likes using misdirection and then using his speed to capitalize. He really is a fun guy to watch fight.

 

[Lanshire]

lets look at these vids of conors power 'not transferring in a higher weight class'
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look how nate moves with every left hand conor throws, hes not moving against it, hes moving with it, but no it was all his chin bro, just bleed bro, all his chin, no defense.

yea bro im a gold belt on sherdog bro i know fighting.

These things aren't absolutes though. The reality is that power doesn't transfer equally to higher weight classes. It doesn't mean that a guy can't knock out larger opponents if he goes up a weight class. It just means he's less likely to. Some guys are better than others at finding ways to adjust for that. But posting videos of Conor fighting these other guys is hardly a controlled scientific experiment. You're examples don't make sense anyway. Buchinger is about the same size as McGregor, not bigger like Nate is. He's also not as good as Nate. Moreover, Buchinger is now fighting at FW just like Conor has been. Aaron Jahnsen definitely isn't as good as Nate, only having a pro record of 4-5, and Jahnsen's fight with McGregor was at 145 lbs anyway, so that's not even a higher weight class. Neither of these guys are a good example of showing that Conor's power transfers up to higher weight classes the same as it does at FW.

 

[skombolis]

These things aren't absolutes though. The reality is that power doesn't transfer equally to higher weight classes. It doesn't mean that a guy can't knock out larger opponents if he goes up a weight class. It just means he's less likely to. Some guys are better than others at finding ways to adjust for that. But posting videos of Conor fighting these other guys is hardly a controlled scientific experiment. You're examples don't make sense anyway. Buchinger is about the same size as McGregor, not bigger like Nate is. He's also not as good as Nate. Moreover, Buchinger is now fighting at FW just like Conor has been. Aaron Jahnsen definitely isn't as good as Nate, only having a pro record of 4-5, and Jahnsen's fight with McGregor was at 145 lbs anyway, so that's not even a higher weight class. Neither of these guys are a good example of showing that Conor's power transfers up to higher weight classes the same as it does at FW.

Exactly. There was never talks of absolutes. And even a guy still effective will most likely see some decrease. And for others it creates too big a gap. There is a reason guys cut 20plus pounds.

 

[shortlefthook]

These things aren't absolutes though. The reality is that power doesn't transfer equally to higher weight classes. It doesn't mean that a guy can't knock out larger opponents if he goes up a weight class. It just means he's less likely to. Some guys are better than others at finding ways to adjust for that. But posting videos of Conor fighting these other guys is hardly a controlled scientific experiment. You're examples don't make sense anyway. Buchinger is about the same size as McGregor, not bigger like Nate is. He's also not as good as Nate. Moreover, Buchinger is now fighting at FW just like Conor has been. Aaron Jahnsen definitely isn't as good as Nate, only having a pro record of 4-5, and Jahnsen's fight with McGregor was at 145 lbs anyway, so that's not even a higher weight class. Neither of these guys are a good example of showing that Conor's power transfers up to higher weight classes the same as it does at FW.

as soon as you mention skill the arugment changes.
were talking size, aaron is a big boy bigger than diaz.
conors the same size as diaz, diaz is taller but noticeable thinner and has a weaker muscular physique.
conor and nate are really the same size when it comes down to it, nate is taller and thinner, conor shorter and stockier.

a good shot to the chin will KNOCK ANYONE OUT, MARK HUNT WAS KOD BY A MIDDLEWEIGHT.
conor simply couldn't find that shot on nate, added to the fact nates tough as hell and it takes more than one punch to ko him. those are vids of conor koing lighweights so his power does transfer to lightweight, when you factor in SKILL like you just did the argument changes to something closer to 'will conor be able to hang with top level ufc lightweights'
and conor was 145 ilbs but his opponent pulled out and arraon was somwhere 20 pound heavier than mcgregor that fight.
him not being skilled as diaz is a different argument entirely.

 

[Diet Otsuka]

Yeah, it's interesting. Rogan and people are always talking about how good Michael Johnson's boxing is yet Nate landed the same 1-2 on him 100 fucking times in that fight. Johnson just couldn't adjust.

He also throws several similar combos of different speeds and power from that position so you're thrown off your game a bit. It could be a probing, slower jab followed by an open palm slap, or it could be a piston 1-2 right down the middle. But by a lot of accounts it is coming from the same set up. Hard to figure out when to step in and counter, and even harder to back out of a bit because then you're really stuck at his range, since he is such a long fighter.

 

[ArtOfDrowning]

I love how after landing Nate throws his hands like "WOT motherfucker". Such a badass.

 

[LukeSkyRutten]

Rory McDonald couldn't put Diaz away... A huge 190lb WW... Conor's ego got in the way here. It's a valuable lesson though, and one which will serve him well when he inevitably fights at LW or even against Diaz again.

 

[soulless80]

this fool is making excuses. He seriously thought his so called power could hang with the 170lbers. Now that he got humiliated, he wants to make excuses.

 

[Sosua]

If he can learn from his mistakes will be interesting.

Seems open and honest about what went wrong - this is the first time he's lost since he was a star.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[NinjaNiK]

His analysis has been pretty good. What he is missing is that, the first time he got touched clean, he was rocked. I think that is troubling. He was still resilient in that he came back with combinations, but his ability to take a shot did not appear to be elite.

And .. Nate is not the most heavy handed striker. Imagine what Robbie Lawler would have done to Conor?

 

[mac16]

you're on here spreading nonsense. Conor didn;t even make 170. Diaz was 180+. Diaz was 3-4 inches taller, with more range and heavier. Don't be an ignorant hater. If you're going to hate atleast be educated.

180+ ? you're delusional. Nate fought at his natural weight just like Conor. Nate looked soft as hell, referenced by the fact he fights at 155... 10 lbs heavier then conors weight class. Even though Conor himself can barely make that weight.

Did you see the weigh in? He didnt cut shit, looked the exact same as fight night.