***Comparing UFC pay to Golfers***

[wlu.29]

It's faulty logic as golfers play many more events to get to that number. And along with that, playing so many events to make 150K also means a ton of travel, as well as paying their caddy.

If anything it highlights how much better MMA fighters are paid.

wrong median female lpga played average 20 tournaments, that's 20 weeks of the year

you might say that a mma fighter has 3 fights, but each camp is 6-8 weeks

so apples to apples that's 20 weeks of work, compared to 20 weeks of work

 

[wlu.29]

I agree that MMA fighters get paid peanuts but you didn't even factor in training fees for golfers and other expenses. Then you based your percentages after the fees. As if golfers have zero coaching or other expenses too..

if you actually the link, the golfer net take home pay for Women #50: $182K

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/01/11/truth-behind-tournament-paychecks-pga-tour-lpga/
that's after factoring in

Expenses
$173,200

Hotels
$22,000

This can be cheaper if players share a hotel room or use host housing available at some tournaments.

Airfare
$11,000

Flights and hotels for limited-field Asian events are free for players only.

Rental Car
$5,000

Unlike the PGA Tour, players rent their own cars most of the time instead of having a courtesy car provided at events.

Meals
$10,000

Breakfast and lunch are free at the course.

Caddie
$76,200

$1,300 plus 10% for aw in and 8% for everything else. Let’s say the fee is $68,700 plus $7,500 for overseas flights.

Instruction
$15,000

This includes on-the-road expenses.

Trainer
$5,000

Mental Coach
$4,500

Agent
$12,000

This is typically 20% of endorsements.

Accountant
$1,500

Incidentals
$6,000

This includes entertainment, physios, tips, Ubers, etc.

Golf Membership
$5,000

May include discounted fees, plus tips to play various places.

 

[wlu.29]

Dumb fucking thread considering UFC fighter pay is nowhere near fully disclosed.

ah lol at the mythical "backroom bonuses"

 

[bubbleboyjones]

So maybe they should become female golfers.

Life isn't fair.

 

[ExitLUPin]

OP said the Los Angeles Flippers were going to beat the Lakers and win a title last year

 

[wlu.29]

UFC fighters fight 2-3 times per year.

Most PGA golfers plays in between 20-30 tournaments per year.

They're competing 10 times as often. Unfortunately, the economics will never be huge for lower tier professional fighters as they simply are unable to compete as often. There's obviously other factors as well, but it's as simple as that really. If fighters were able to compete 20 times per year, they would all be compensated quite well on an annual income basis, but unfortunately it's not possible in this sport.

ufc fighters don't train?

2-3 times per year, is at least 20+ weeks of training

i'm not comparing lower tier fighters

i'm comparing median apples to apples

top 50 women's golfer, vs. a top 10 in ufc men's divisions

 

[wlu.29]

OP said the Los Angeles Flippers were going to beat the Lakers and win a title last year

and you're the coward that was afraid to put your money where your mouth was

and you also claimed you don't post much on this forum

 

[wlu.29]

Golf has 10 times the revenue the UFC has.

LPGA has 10x more revenue than UFC (who aims to be bigger than soccer?

 

[ExitLUPin]

and you're the coward that was afraid to put your money where your mouth was

and you also claimed you don't post much on this forum

I already said I wasn't gonna bet with a rando and it was far out with injuries still possible like this season. Imagine thinking the fraud ass Flippers were gonna do anything. You see those chokers winning again little guy

I said I don't post much in the sports forum on here which I don't at all

 

[wlu.29]

I already said I wasn't gonna bet with a rando and it was far out with injuries still possible like this season. Imagine thinking the fraud ass Flippers were gonna do anything. You see those chokers winning again little guy

I said I don't post much in the sports forum on here which I don't at all

imagine being all cocky, spouting your mouth off, but aint going to do shit to actually back it up

 

[wlu.29]

Golf is a rich man’s sport. UFC/Boxing is for the poors

it's expensive to train, if you look at the average cost of gyms, bjj, muay thai places

poor people from the ghettos of brazil become millionaires by playing soccer

 

[glavinator]

Women's golf actually brings in no profit. https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/03/03/usga-reveals-us-womens-open-loses-millions-annually/
With that being said, I find it absurd female golfers are making that much money, when in reality they bring in very little money. Now, going back to MMA fighters payouts, UFC fighters are highly underpaid for the most part, Uncle Chael was paid 50k to show against Silva in a fight that sold near to 1 million PPVs.

I suspect the pga subsidizes the lpga heavily

 

[SakurabasEar]

I respect the work put into the thread here, but there are easier examples to make.


Fighters should be making more, clearly. Especially after 2015. But here we are

 

[Luvhawky]

PGA tour is like the UFC
UFC fighters are contractors like golfers unlike athletes in NHL, NFL, MLB, NHL

Their revenue model is widely different. Just because both use contractors doesn't make their business model the same.

wrong median female lpga played average 20 tournaments, that's 20 weeks of the year

you might say that a mma fighter has 3 fights, but each camp is 6-8 weeks

so apples to apples that's 20 weeks of work, compared to 20 weeks of work

Comparing hours worked doesn't apply, not to mention you are leaving out all the training golfers do when they aren't competing. Either compare hours put in during revenue earning periods or look at the body of effort required, but in the end you are still making a shit comparison.

 

[DS66]

ufc fighters don't train?

2-3 times per year, is at least 20+ weeks of training

i'm not comparing lower tier fighters

i'm comparing median apples to apples

top 50 women's golfer, vs. a top 10 in ufc men's divisions

What does training have to do with anything? Athletes are paid based on the revenue they bring into the organization. Training time brings zero revenue into the UFC. If a fighter fights twice in a year, those are the times he is generating revenue for the organization. If a golfer plays in 30 tournaments during the year, that golfer is generating revenue for the organization on those 30 occasions.

If you want to compare apples to apples, you have to compare on an event vs event basis, not annual, due to the massive difference in the number of revenue generating events that each athlete competes in.

 

[Luvhawky]

What does training have to do with anything? Athletes are paid based on the revenue they bring into the organization. Training time brings zero revenue into the UFC. If a fighter fights twice in a year, those are the times he is generating revenue for the organization. If a golfer plays in 30 tournaments during the year, that golfer is generating revenue for the organization on those 30 occasions.

If you want to compare apples to apples, you have to compare on an event vs event basis, not annual, due to the massive difference in the number of revenue generating events that each athlete competes in.

I completely agree with what you are saying, I would just like to add that the concept of how much revenue generated in relation to money that should be earned is incomplete. It misses cost structure, for example, if margins for one sport are structurally less than another, 1 mil generated in the smaller margin sport should flow less money to the "athlete" than the other. I think that is a huge factor that is left off in these discussions.

 

[wlu.29]

What does training have to do with anything? Athletes are paid based on the revenue they bring into the organization. Training time brings zero revenue into the UFC. If a fighter fights twice in a year, those are the times he is generating revenue for the organization. If a golfer plays in 30 tournaments during the year, that golfer is generating revenue for the organization on those 30 occasions.

If you want to compare apples to apples, you have to compare on an event vs event basis, not annual, due to the massive difference in the number of revenue generating events that each athlete competes in.

athletes use their body to perform and generate that revenue

pretending like the wear and tear of practice doesn't count

the ROI for a top 10 ufc fighter (as an individual) is less than that of #50 on the women's golf tour

 

[Tweak896]

Sports that people play 20+ times a year vs sport where we are lucky if they show up 2x. It's unfair to compare based off frequency. If you multiplied the ufc fighter pay by the number of times any sports player gets maybe ufc fighters are overpaid.

 

[wlu.29]

Their revenue model is widely different. Just because both use contractors doesn't make their business model the same.

Do UFC fighters/golfers have fully guaranteed contracts? NO

UFC fighters get show/win money, golfers get paid depending on where they finish in that tournament

they're more alike than ufc fighters to mlb/nfl/nba/nhl

Comparing hours worked doesn't apply, not to mention you are leaving out all the training golfers do when they aren't competing. Either compare hours put in during revenue earning periods or look at the body of effort required, but in the end you are still making a shit comparison.

a ufc fighter's in the top 10 is pretty short lived, so their potential window to make money is limited compared to how long a female golfer can stay in the top 50

 

[julmma]

And you can’t compare the physical stress and wear from mma with golf...

mma and wmma should get paid a lot more! Specially champs, then contenders and at least up to top 3 (to say the least)