Media Cody Garbrandt suffering from long covid effects
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I'm not the one claiming that this thing NEVER happens, so, super-duper.
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Fair point regarding your own safety (you are free to make that choice) , but there seems to be a lack of empathy to the people you would potentially spread it to... Nor any mention of helping out with their medical bills.
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No, they’re dying because they’ve had 1 foot in the grave long before they had Covid.
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So as long as someone isn’t in good health your content for them to die?
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No, but healthy young people shouldn’t be held hostage and robbed of their livelihood because some 90-year-old or some chronically ill person might die from a flu.
Quarantine is for sick people.
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Lol, so the people that fought in wars for you to have the freedom you have today need to be prisoners inside their own homes so you can go about your business.
This generations version of a war is that they have to stay inside and play Xbox for a while and the selfish pieces of shit on here still won't do it.
Victoria in Australia was recording several hundred cases a day a few months ago. They locked down and now there are literally no active cases in the state and things can go back to normal.
But Americans are too stupid and selfish to do that
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Hope you're feeling a little better sherbro.
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People on Sherdog think health is being athletically fit, as if that's what the virus is attacking, and act like the genetic disposition for the different responses in our immune systems defenses are pre-existing conditions that equate to already basically being dead. I mean, y'all know what "reactions" are, right? And how perfectly-normal-A can meet perfectly-normal-B, and you end up with "explosion," yeah? Can we just start at middle school chemistry first?
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All those guys who had the balls to fight in wars did so for the freedom of the generations who came after them. I’m pretty sure most of them would be against the lockdowns and the destruction of society just to hang onto a few more months or years of slow death.
You’re a sheep.
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I don't understand this pov because it's well known that he was first to shut down the airports & travel. Even his arch enemy Pilosi was doing a gig at a china town mass gathering while he was shutting it down. They called him an alarmist & a racist & all kinds of other names.
Fair enough his mouth said some things that were unwarrented regarding how long it would last... but his actions were on point. Some say he should've been earlier, but you have to understand that China wasn't allowing the information through at first. Didn't even allow his people in to study it for a long time. Once they were privy to it, one could make an argument that he didn't pull the trigger right away... but that's due to the enormity of the economic consequences & he needed to gather intell. On the real, he pulled the trigger a lot faster than a lot of other people would've... (as proven by the feedback he was getting) He was actually mocked for it by people who thought he was being racist & all other kinds of BS.
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I just find this commentary that he didn't act fast enough un-realistic when you see what everyone else was saying during that time.
I know a lot more than you're giving me credit for troll... & I haven't even gotten into the deeper stuff yet. meanwhile you haven't said a fucking thing except throw out some 3rd grade level insults
As enlightening as you think your commentary is... you're the only jerk off who thinks that so quit flirting with me. I'm not going to fuck you.
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Before I get to your individual comments:
One of you told me that anyone can google search any pov & find someone supporting it. However, the quality of the reference was left out of his comment. In this case I have quoted WHO, CDC, & WFP all whom are "premium" references. Neither the CDC nor the WHO support shutdowns. The thousands of scientists & doctors involved in the Barrington Declaration believe "heard immunity" is the best way to get through this, & that requires healthy people getting out there & getting over it.
Most importantly, the consequences of shutdowns are clearly expressed by the WFP which shows us a doubling & more to come from poverty due to shutdowns. The WHO is saying similar things. You have to recognize what these organizations represent. They are the authority.
WFP - "Even short-term famine has a devastating long-term impact. What it does to a child is unspeakable."
It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. Seems that we may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition"
latest statement from the CDC website - Basically says that people should "consider" restricting travel & avoiding large gatherings... but then later when asked explain that further... they say it's because of the possibility of them meeting with a high risk person. iow... this is not a "shut-down society situation." This is more about people who are high risk need to stay home & be avoided or distanced from. They are the ones that need to be locked down... not the other 99.5% of us.
Barrington Declaration (thousand of of doctors & scientists signed to show agreement)
Quote - “The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk,”
Yes, for example restricting cruise lines, disney world, movie theaters etc... (the strip clubs) this is all under the umbrella of a "shut-down" in my definition. Anything that's taking a person's well being which leads to making people suffer & leads to poverty is the problem we compare to whether it's worth it to close the economy down for this. It has led to the WFP recognizing their largest "scale up" in starving people since it began in 1964, to the tune of 130 million ADDITIONAL.
That figure will continue to grow long after heard immunity is achieved & even a vaccine is available due to long term damage the shutdowns have caused to the economy. Meanwhile myself & 99.5% of the rest of the population will not die from it, so why are we destroying the lives of 130 million people, & counting?
Had this been more lethal, then we could justify these things. but 100x the starvation level poverty being created in addition to however many people are dying from the lockdowns themselves is pretty much the end of the discussion imo...
I apologize for saying that without knowing the numbers. It's certainly not zero though as some would lead you to believe, but my point is comparing the cost of the cure vs the effects of the disease ie ...the "Up-tick" in people nearing starvation this year to the amount of Covid deaths is a great comparison that we do have numbers for. The biggest humanitarian org in the world... the United Nation's WFP org... has recognized an ADDITIONAL 130 million people being led to the brink of starvation & says this is the biggest up-tick since 1964 when the org started.
1.3 million covid assisted deaths
130 million lives ruined & on the brink of starvation and counting
I'm still not convinced the deaths are not on par, but the WHO as well as the CDC are both recommending the world not resort to lock-downs... so my point is validated.
I guess I need to amend that because you're not the first who didn't understand what I meant by "nanny state." It's true that your government handed out billions to trillions for not only unemployment benefits, but added more money to them... as well as gave forgivable loans to failing businesses & is also stopping evictions from the 50% of our population that's currently behind on payments. As well as many other programs it can't afford.
A nanny is someone who takes care of another. That's what I meant, is that... the government is offering all these programs to take care of us because we can't take care of ourselves apparently. These offerings are us accepting the government as our nanny. If you are in the united states... you are apart of the "nanny state" right now... even if you aren't participating in their programs.
The problem is that they can't continue this... & their mortgage/rent subsidies end in first quarter next year. Even if they extend those programs, this doesn't end well & the repercussions will take years to decades to recover. If you think the Rona is a bad problem, the financial state of the world is a hell of a lot bigger problem & it ain't even close.
Strangely, (though that lack of discipline doesn't represent all of us...) that is exactly my point... but you seem to be making it out like we differ on this pov.
I'm saying that instead of forcing everyone who's healthy to lockdown, how about you force the fat asses to put down their fucking cheeseburgers & grab some fooking vitamins & try exercising. At the point you know you should boost your immune system to fight a pandemic, & you choose not too... that's on you.
It would be different if this weren't such a mild pandemic.
I agree with the initial few weeks shutdown, to get the hospitals up to par & figure out exactly what the severity of the threat is... & at that point, all these fat asses should've went to work on themselves instead of wagging the finger at me to comply with their fucking lockdowns.
Teh Fook? We're killing the middle & lower class that involves a hell of a lot of kids that were immune to Rona. so no way are more shutdowns worth the cost of the 130 milliion people and counting being pushed to the brink of starvation.
/rant
Obviously some people are older & more frail & so might not be able to exercise enough, but you can take vitamins no matter how old you are, you can eat healthier & change your gut biome. I haven't heard form a single high risk person doing any of that, but they sure as fuck don't hesitate to wag that fucking finger at someone else to save them when they can't even be bothered to save themselves.
One of you told me that anyone can google search any pov & find someone supporting it. However, the quality of the reference was left out of his comment. In this case I have quoted WHO, CDC, & WFP all whom are "premium" references. Neither the CDC nor the WHO support shutdowns. The thousands of scientists & doctors involved in the Barrington Declaration believe "heard immunity" is the best way to get through this, & that requires healthy people getting out there & getting over it.
Most importantly, the consequences of shutdowns are clearly expressed by the WFP which shows us a doubling & more to come from poverty due to shutdowns. The WHO is saying similar things. You have to recognize what these organizations represent. They are the authority.
WFP - "Even short-term famine has a devastating long-term impact. What it does to a child is unspeakable."
- 130 Million "additional" people lead to the brink of starvation this year is the biggest up-tick since 1964 when this United Nations org began
- 100x less is the number of deaths from Covid (mostly people with pre-existing conditions) this year at 1.3 million.
It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. Seems that we may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition"
latest statement from the CDC website - Basically says that people should "consider" restricting travel & avoiding large gatherings... but then later when asked explain that further... they say it's because of the possibility of them meeting with a high risk person. iow... this is not a "shut-down society situation." This is more about people who are high risk need to stay home & be avoided or distanced from. They are the ones that need to be locked down... not the other 99.5% of us.
Barrington Declaration (thousand of of doctors & scientists signed to show agreement)
Quote - “The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk,”
Yes, for example restricting cruise lines, disney world, movie theaters etc... (the strip clubs) this is all under the umbrella of a "shut-down" in my definition. Anything that's taking a person's well being which leads to making people suffer & leads to poverty is the problem we compare to whether it's worth it to close the economy down for this. It has led to the WFP recognizing their largest "scale up" in starving people since it began in 1964, to the tune of 130 million ADDITIONAL.
That figure will continue to grow long after heard immunity is achieved & even a vaccine is available due to long term damage the shutdowns have caused to the economy. Meanwhile myself & 99.5% of the rest of the population will not die from it, so why are we destroying the lives of 130 million people, & counting?
Had this been more lethal, then we could justify these things. but 100x the starvation level poverty being created in addition to however many people are dying from the lockdowns themselves is pretty much the end of the discussion imo...
I apologize for saying that without knowing the numbers. It's certainly not zero though as some would lead you to believe, but my point is comparing the cost of the cure vs the effects of the disease ie ...the "Up-tick" in people nearing starvation this year to the amount of Covid deaths is a great comparison that we do have numbers for. The biggest humanitarian org in the world... the United Nation's WFP org... has recognized an ADDITIONAL 130 million people being led to the brink of starvation & says this is the biggest up-tick since 1964 when the org started.
1.3 million covid assisted deaths
130 million lives ruined & on the brink of starvation and counting
- + whatever the actual number is that have died from shutdowns. (suicide, drug overdose, starvation & even other complications caused by poverty.)
I'm still not convinced the deaths are not on par, but the WHO as well as the CDC are both recommending the world not resort to lock-downs... so my point is validated.
I guess I need to amend that because you're not the first who didn't understand what I meant by "nanny state." It's true that your government handed out billions to trillions for not only unemployment benefits, but added more money to them... as well as gave forgivable loans to failing businesses & is also stopping evictions from the 50% of our population that's currently behind on payments. As well as many other programs it can't afford.
A nanny is someone who takes care of another. That's what I meant, is that... the government is offering all these programs to take care of us because we can't take care of ourselves apparently. These offerings are us accepting the government as our nanny. If you are in the united states... you are apart of the "nanny state" right now... even if you aren't participating in their programs.
The problem is that they can't continue this... & their mortgage/rent subsidies end in first quarter next year. Even if they extend those programs, this doesn't end well & the repercussions will take years to decades to recover. If you think the Rona is a bad problem, the financial state of the world is a hell of a lot bigger problem & it ain't even close.
Strangely, (though that lack of discipline doesn't represent all of us...) that is exactly my point... but you seem to be making it out like we differ on this pov.
I'm saying that instead of forcing everyone who's healthy to lockdown, how about you force the fat asses to put down their fucking cheeseburgers & grab some fooking vitamins & try exercising. At the point you know you should boost your immune system to fight a pandemic, & you choose not too... that's on you.
It would be different if this weren't such a mild pandemic.
I agree with the initial few weeks shutdown, to get the hospitals up to par & figure out exactly what the severity of the threat is... & at that point, all these fat asses should've went to work on themselves instead of wagging the finger at me to comply with their fucking lockdowns.
Teh Fook? We're killing the middle & lower class that involves a hell of a lot of kids that were immune to Rona. so no way are more shutdowns worth the cost of the 130 milliion people and counting being pushed to the brink of starvation.
/rant
Obviously some people are older & more frail & so might not be able to exercise enough, but you can take vitamins no matter how old you are, you can eat healthier & change your gut biome. I haven't heard form a single high risk person doing any of that, but they sure as fuck don't hesitate to wag that fucking finger at someone else to save them when they can't even be bothered to save themselves.
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You might be interested in my last post just above as well. At least read the intro before I started answering other people's posts as it applies to our discussion.
Ah... good call... & thank you for pointing that out.
I mentioned that was just a quick link that I found quickly though... & so maybe I read it too quick or something. The article's headline was pretty misleading. I also mentioned that there's lots of reports out there about how the shutdown is worse world wide & of course I mentioned many of them in the opening of this post from the most premium sources I know of.
Maybe or maybe not, the deaths are equal on both sides of this discussion, (I"m having trouble finding an authority offering the actual numbers) but the number of people being pushed to the brink of starvation is 100 times higher than the deaths of Rona. (1.3M deaths vs 130 million pushed to starvation.) In this case it's also extremely valid in that Rona kills mostly the elderly, where-as poverty, starvation, suicide & drug overdose kills kids too.
Killing kids doesn't bode well for the other side of the argument when Rona largely doesn't. Poverty leads to lack of modern health care, lower quality food & other related famine complications... as well as more suicides & drug overdoses the longer we keep these going. Parents too. This all only gets worse the longer it goes & especially when the government ends their financial support. So my bad on mixing that up... but it doesn't change my point. That article actually is still a piece of evidence for my point.
On the big world wide picture we have 1.3 million deaths, but we put 130 million to the brink of poverty... that's a staggering statistic from a legit source. Even if the death count isn't lopsided... the amount of lives ruined are enough to say stop this.
The guy from the WFP said "we are going to have famines of biblical proportions in 2021 unless this thing can get more funding."
I didn't say that... he did.
I'll have to look into the accuracy of that. I would assume the data is updated as death certificates are filled out & so thinking it's a yearly thing to those making the list seems un-reasonable. More than likely it is a constantly rolling data point that is updated every time a new death certificate is input into the system.
I'd say the reality looks more like the guy from the interview isn't privy to that information on a rotating basis. Perhaps there's a yearly report that the public gets, but someone on the front line of this (like the head of the CDC) would be privy to the live information. The CDC actually collects that data, so it's not a far stretch to think they have better access than others.
I'm more privy to believe the CDC guy got actual data.
If we're going to hash out his legitimacy then I'll need the link, but this seems more like a distraction. It's like you're trying to use sleight of hand to show he did something shady over here, & so that means that he's bullshitting with this too. You're going to have to make your case if you expect me to believe that the head of the CDC faked a report about suicides & drug overdose in teens... for some personal political agenda.
In the end, it's only a small part of the point I was making... and while his figures pale in comparison to the 130 million starving people, they add support to my argument because asymptomatic kids are dying. Those kids are dying & those 130 million people are starving so that we can prevent people with pre-existing conditions from dying. That's some major shit right?
This isn't me saying it. It's the WFP. They said that since 1962, this is the biggest "scale up" for them.
You obviously understand what happens when someone loses their job & can't afford food?
Lets shift this from deaths though... as I haven't been able to find any reliable figures. The meat of this discussion is whether or not the cure is worth the cost. Even if the WFP manages to feed the 130 million additional starving people... and they save their lives... they are still lives ruined due to the shutdowns.
1.3 million deaths seems like a lot of people until you compare it to 130 million lives ruined... and their death count would be valid too if we knew what it was... especially the kids. Is this an argument you want to retort?
The CDC & now the WHO are against the lock downs. I have shown you links to those very premium sources. I've shown you a whopping 130 million ADDITIONAL people at the brink of poverty with the point that it only gets worse.... so run with your side of the discussion from there. Lets get back on track... the basis of my point was never meant to be about deaths... it was about a cost vs worth comparison.
If you really want to do a side by side comparison of just deaths, then obviously we need some more data, but I spent a little time & couldn't find any proper numbers. I expect we'll see some at some point... likely after the year is up someone will get us that data point. My pov came from watching this inside & outside of regular media channels & there's more to it than just death. The poverty this causes doesn't just stop Dec. 31... the effects of this will probably make 2021 just as bad & the effect on the economy isn't just numbers in an accounting book... it's lives ruined that could take years & decades to recover from... as well as creating deaths from that alone.
There's more to this beyond Rona, but if we can't even get past this stuff, there's no need to expand the subject.
Ah... good call... & thank you for pointing that out.
I mentioned that was just a quick link that I found quickly though... & so maybe I read it too quick or something. The article's headline was pretty misleading. I also mentioned that there's lots of reports out there about how the shutdown is worse world wide & of course I mentioned many of them in the opening of this post from the most premium sources I know of.
Maybe or maybe not, the deaths are equal on both sides of this discussion, (I"m having trouble finding an authority offering the actual numbers) but the number of people being pushed to the brink of starvation is 100 times higher than the deaths of Rona. (1.3M deaths vs 130 million pushed to starvation.) In this case it's also extremely valid in that Rona kills mostly the elderly, where-as poverty, starvation, suicide & drug overdose kills kids too.
Killing kids doesn't bode well for the other side of the argument when Rona largely doesn't. Poverty leads to lack of modern health care, lower quality food & other related famine complications... as well as more suicides & drug overdoses the longer we keep these going. Parents too. This all only gets worse the longer it goes & especially when the government ends their financial support. So my bad on mixing that up... but it doesn't change my point. That article actually is still a piece of evidence for my point.
On the big world wide picture we have 1.3 million deaths, but we put 130 million to the brink of poverty... that's a staggering statistic from a legit source. Even if the death count isn't lopsided... the amount of lives ruined are enough to say stop this.
The guy from the WFP said "we are going to have famines of biblical proportions in 2021 unless this thing can get more funding."
I didn't say that... he did.
I'll have to look into the accuracy of that. I would assume the data is updated as death certificates are filled out & so thinking it's a yearly thing to those making the list seems un-reasonable. More than likely it is a constantly rolling data point that is updated every time a new death certificate is input into the system.
I'd say the reality looks more like the guy from the interview isn't privy to that information on a rotating basis. Perhaps there's a yearly report that the public gets, but someone on the front line of this (like the head of the CDC) would be privy to the live information. The CDC actually collects that data, so it's not a far stretch to think they have better access than others.
I'm more privy to believe the CDC guy got actual data.
If we're going to hash out his legitimacy then I'll need the link, but this seems more like a distraction. It's like you're trying to use sleight of hand to show he did something shady over here, & so that means that he's bullshitting with this too. You're going to have to make your case if you expect me to believe that the head of the CDC faked a report about suicides & drug overdose in teens... for some personal political agenda.
In the end, it's only a small part of the point I was making... and while his figures pale in comparison to the 130 million starving people, they add support to my argument because asymptomatic kids are dying. Those kids are dying & those 130 million people are starving so that we can prevent people with pre-existing conditions from dying. That's some major shit right?
This isn't me saying it. It's the WFP. They said that since 1962, this is the biggest "scale up" for them.
You obviously understand what happens when someone loses their job & can't afford food?
Lets shift this from deaths though... as I haven't been able to find any reliable figures. The meat of this discussion is whether or not the cure is worth the cost. Even if the WFP manages to feed the 130 million additional starving people... and they save their lives... they are still lives ruined due to the shutdowns.
1.3 million deaths seems like a lot of people until you compare it to 130 million lives ruined... and their death count would be valid too if we knew what it was... especially the kids. Is this an argument you want to retort?
The CDC & now the WHO are against the lock downs. I have shown you links to those very premium sources. I've shown you a whopping 130 million ADDITIONAL people at the brink of poverty with the point that it only gets worse.... so run with your side of the discussion from there. Lets get back on track... the basis of my point was never meant to be about deaths... it was about a cost vs worth comparison.
If you really want to do a side by side comparison of just deaths, then obviously we need some more data, but I spent a little time & couldn't find any proper numbers. I expect we'll see some at some point... likely after the year is up someone will get us that data point. My pov came from watching this inside & outside of regular media channels & there's more to it than just death. The poverty this causes doesn't just stop Dec. 31... the effects of this will probably make 2021 just as bad & the effect on the economy isn't just numbers in an accounting book... it's lives ruined that could take years & decades to recover from... as well as creating deaths from that alone.
There's more to this beyond Rona, but if we can't even get past this stuff, there's no need to expand the subject.
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It's extremely well known that exercise is one of the best thing you can do for your immune system. It even assists in making the proteins that repair DNA... which is at the basis of your overall health.
There's also a shit load of consumption strategies that assist your immune system & make that "explosion" you speak of less likely.
"perfectly normal" people exploding when they meet? I think you mean "seemingly" perfectly normal. If one person's coody'z causes the other person to become violently ill then there would be a pre-existing condition in one or both of them that has gone un-detected. Some kind of allergy maybe... but even a lot of allergies can go away in an optimized immune system.
I'm open though... if you can share how 2 perfectly healthy people with optimized immune systems explode when they meet just through some weird chemistry... go ahead & dazzle me with some links & I'll take a look.
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Part of my training is weights three days a week. I have been training for 10 years. I feel pretty confident in how I train.
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Small businesses are gonna be almost completely gone by the end of this, while amazon, google and big tech stocks are skyrocketing. “Build back better”
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yea it sucks, body aches, fever, cant sleep right, takes all my energy away, and i gotta handle it with just tylenol.
He's got pneumonia and blood clots you moron. He could have permanent damage.
