Elections Clinton vs. Trump Polls thread, v2

[Space]

Ehh, the whole nationalist/globalist argument is made by people with can't hang in a global economy. Don't be afraid of change and progress, learn a transferable skill so when your job in the t-shirt factory gets shipped off overseas, you can feed yourself

I don't work in a factory, but lots of people do. We used to make things, now we ship our jobs off to China, with its terrible work conditions and insane pollution. Is that what we should be buying? Slave products? No thank you, but that's what globalism entails.

 

[Yellowking]

I don't work in a factory, but lots of people do. We used to make things, now we ship our jobs off to China, with its terrible work conditions and insane pollution. Is that what we should be buying? Slave products? No thank you, but that's what globalism entails.

We used to make things, and then it stopped making sense to make those things here. Soon enough it won't make sense for any person to make a lot of things we use.

You want to complain about worker conditions around the world, fair enough. That's quite progressive of you. By the way...did you post this from your iPhone?

 

[Space]

You want to complain about worker conditions around the world, fair enough. That's quite progressive of you. By the way...did you post this from your iPhone?

So what's the alternative? A smartphone made in the US? I'd buy it if it existed.

I don't know about you, but I go to great lengths (and expense) to buy the least sweatshop stuff I can. For clothing (jeans, shirts, jackets, pants, belts, boots), that means made in USA, Japan, or similar. Stationary made in Japan. Jewelry made in Japan, watch from Germany, etc. All of this is way overpriced, though, thanks to globalism.

 

[Quipling]

So what's the alternative? A smartphone made in the US? I'd buy it if it existed.

I don't know about you, but I go to great lengths (and expense) to buy the least sweatshop stuff I can. For clothing (jeans, shirts, jackets, pants, belts, boots), that means made in USA, Japan, or similar. Stationary made in Japan. Jewelry made in Japan, watch from Germany, etc. All of this is way overpriced, though, thanks to globalism.

No. It is way overpriced because you are buying from places that have higher costs of production, not because it is cheaper to produce elsewhere.

 

[Space]

No. It is way overpriced because you are buying from places that have higher costs of production, not because it is cheaper to produce elsewhere.

Wasn't always like that. Take, for example, a horsehide leather jacket made in the US: a repro of a Sears Hercules, made by Goodwear Leather in Seattle, goes for $1,500 today. The same jacket sold at Sears in the late 1930s for the equivalent of about $350. A pair of engineer boots, made in the US/Japan now, with either horse or cattle hide and top-coated with proper soling, sells for $600-$1,000. A pair of Chippewa engineer boots in 1953 sold for the equivalent of $130.

We had the supply and demand back then to keep prices for high quality American-made products low. Globalists screwed the pooch for their bottom line, and now if you want to buy American, quality goods, the kind your grandparents bought for a reasonable price, you have to pay through the nose.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Reality is a cold, cruel mistress
And denial aint just a river in Africa

 

[Deleted member 429137]

So what's the alternative? A smartphone made in the US? I'd buy it if it existed.

I don't know about you, but I go to great lengths (and expense) to buy the least sweatshop stuff I can. For clothing (jeans, shirts, jackets, pants, belts, boots), that means made in USA, Japan, or similar. Stationary made in Japan. Jewelry made in Japan, watch from Germany, etc. All of this is way overpriced, though, thanks to globalism.

You sound really passionate about this. I do not understand at all why you're so enthusiastically voting for the one candidate that has personally sent jobs overseas.

 

[m52nickerson]

Wasn't always like that. Take, for example, a horsehide leather jacket made in the US: a repro of a Sears Hercules, made by Goodwear Leather in Seattle, goes for $1,500 today. The same jacket sold at Sears in the late 1930s for the equivalent of about $350. A pair of engineer boots, made in the US/Japan now, with either horse or cattle hide and top-coated with proper soling, sells for $600-$1,000. A pair of Chippewa engineer boots in 1953 sold for the equivalent of $130.

We had the supply and demand back then to keep prices for high quality American-made products low. Globalists screwed the pooch for their bottom line, and now if you want to buy American, quality goods, the kind your grandparents bought for a reasonable price, you have to pay through the nose.

Welcome to the free market. It is easy to blame the specter that is globalism, be that is nothing more the free market ideology without the protectionism.

 

[Space]

You sound really passionate about this. I do not understand at all why you're so enthusiastically voting for the one candidate that has personally sent jobs overseas.

Sent would be if he closed down his USA manufacturing and re-opened overseas, so let's not stretch the truth.

Now, it's regrettable that he's done that. It's part of what business had become in the US. But it's also part of the business environment; some things can't be sourced in the US anymore, or are too expensive. I don't think anyone would pay a premium, made-in-USA price for Trump ties, for example.

At any rate, his plan is to create a business climate of economic protection to make US manufacturing more affordable/logical.

To wit, Trump has created many jobs in the US, something Hillary can't boast. It's clear who the real jobs candidate is.

 

[Joe]

Trump up by six in Texas. Romney won Texas by 17 points.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

All I see are people who are acting very sure about something, but deep down still feel threatened. That's why they're constantly rustled, and that's why they're now resorting to snark.

It's their only recourse after they've been hit with a sucker punch of straight logic and facts.

Have pity on them.

 

[BVG]

Jill Stein drops the mic on the DNC and their Clinton favoritism...

 

[liljoe]

More polls today.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...lead-voters-doubt-trump-s-temperament-n631351

Trump getting crushed in VA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ory.html?postshare=7621471345763476&tid=ss_tw

 

[Joe]

One of the big reasons trump is doing awful in Virginia is that he really pissed off a lot of military voters in Virginia

 

[KILL KILL]

One of the big reasons trump is doing awful in Virginia is that he really pissed off a lot of military voters in Virginia

I agree. He's getting beat in Florida and New Hampshire too. He did turn Georgia around...for now. The state is still very much under contention.

 

[liljoe]

One of the big reasons trump is doing awful in Virginia is that he really pissed off a lot of military voters in Virginia

That and Tim Kaine obviously. VA is in the bag. The nutty thing is she only needs to pick up CO, PA and either FL, OH, or NC and she reaches enough electoral votes to get past 270.

Trump has to sweep all the battleground states to have a chance.

 

[Lead]

RCP's no toss up map is 362-176 for Clinton. GOP did a great job somehow making Hillary Clinton a landslide candidate. How the fuck do you pull something like that off?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ctions_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

 

[My Spot]

RCP's no toss up map is 362-176 for Clinton. GOP did a great job somehow making Hillary Clinton a landslide candidate. How the fuck do you pull something like that off?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ctions_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

Imagine how bad it would be if he was running against Obama or Biden instead.

 

[JadeOwl]

Imagine how bad it would be if he was running against Obama or Biden instead.

The situation wouldn't have arisen because Trump is way too much of a pussy to go against any of those guys.

 

[TheComebackKid]

RCP's no toss up map is 362-176 for Clinton. GOP did a great job somehow making Hillary Clinton a landslide candidate. How the fuck do you pull something like that off?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ctions_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

Don't blame the GOP. Blame those who vote for Hillary.