International Climate Change Deniers...

[ferrisjso]

Growth is human nature you moron. It's why civilisation exists in the first place. So yes, it applies just as much to communist states. Man has been wrecking the natural world for the last 10,000+ years. There used to be cedar forests all across the middle-east, as far east as Persia. North Africa used to have dense forests too, but the Egyptians and others cut them all down. Did capitalism exist back then? Engage brain.

In capitalism harm is actively encouraged through economic growth. That doesn't mean non capitalist societys can't cause harm. You're just repackaging the stupid "USSR had pollution too" argument. Engage brain.

 

[dirtypablo]

OP is flawed logic(because weather =\= climate). Having said that, this does seem to be an issue that conservatives are particularly willfully ignorant and/or disingenuous about.

First climate change is a hoax/doesn't exist(despite clear evidence to the contrary).

Then it exists, but it's not manmade(despite average temperature correlating linearly with human population/CO2 emissions).

Then, ok, man does contribute, but not much. It's "natural cycles" and shit(because, yeah, experiencing climate trends over a few centuries that one would would reasonably expect to take millions of years, is totally normal).

At some point, the prevailing opinion from the right will be, "it does exist, and man is a major contributor to it, but there's nothing we can do about at this point, so just embrace it".

There's abviously many unknown variables on this issue, and there are opportunists on all sides, but I think when viewed objectively, it's pretty clear which side of the argument has less credibility. Just IMO, though.

You can find posts that reflect every one of these stages in this very thread.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Can one of the loonies let me know when we are getting them climate lockdowns?

Another mindless CTard brainwave?

 

[Tatra]

In capitalism harm is actively encouraged through economic growth. That doesn't mean non capitalist societys can't cause harm. You're just repackaging the stupid "USSR had pollution too" argument. Engage brain.

Growth is the foundation of civilisation. Without it, there would be no civilisation. No civilisation says 'we've grown enough, we're gonna stop now'. Every civilisation, without exception, expanded because of population growth and exhaustion of resources. Present a counter-argument why I'm wrong or stop responding.

 

[ferrisjso]

Typical with you extreme leftist retards and your fantasies. Whenever your fake reality gets challenged there's insults and deflections only.

Whenever people screech about climate change or global warming it's generally understood that they're talking about changes on a global scale, that they then attribute to humans. Nobody is denying that humans pollute on a local level, nice attempt at a deflection though.

Its ironic you're saying nice attempt at deflection when bringing up "pollution" opposed to the burning of carbon is the actual deflection. You see right wingers more and more often saying "well I believe in clean air and rivers". Yeah we do too but we're asking you to address a specific problem you don't want to and you're bringing that shit up to deflect because you know the greenhouse effect is invisible.

 

[KOPPE]

No capitalism is.

oh you one of thoese..

 

[ferrisjso]

Growth is the foundation of civilisation. Without it, there would be no civilisation. No civilisation says 'we've grown enough, we're gonna stop now'. Every civilisation, without exception, expanded because of population growth and exhaustion of resources. Present a counter-argument why I'm wrong or stop responding.

If growth happens organically its ok. But trying to have growth intentionally and engineering it is the issue.

 

[Tatra]

If growth happens organically its ok. But trying to have growth intentionally and engineering it is the issue.

You're babbling. Growth has happened since the dawn of civilisation and is destructive to the environment whether or not capitalism exists. Ancient civilisations devastated their surroundings because they had to keep on growing. Civilisation gobbles up natural resources. That's what civilisation is.

Present counter-argument.

 

[Barteh]

Can one of the loonies let me know when we are getting them climate lockdowns?

Another mindless CTard brainwave?

The digital euro wallet is already in the works as we speak. It'll probably be quite a few years until it's actually used and quite a few more after that for them to start abusing it for stuff like that.

I think there'll be enough resistance so that we never get to the level of climate lockdowns though. Maybe the EU falls apart before that too.

 

[Sinister]

Typical with you extreme leftist retards and your fantasies. Whenever your fake reality gets challenged there's insults and deflections only.

Whenever people screech about climate change or global warming it's generally understood that they're talking about changes on a global scale, that they then attribute to humans. Nobody is denying that humans pollute on a local level, nice attempt at a deflection though.

The drying up of rivers isnt a "local" problem, genius. This is effecting the entire West Coast of the US, while the East Coast has experienced the opposite, severe flooding and increasingly worse hurricane seasons. Lake Mead is symptomatic of the global problem, its happening BECAUSE of it. The lake isnt even filled locally, and you're such a blithering idiot, you're spouting partisan stupidity without even knowing that. The lake is drying up because the Colorado Rockies arent getting enough of a snow pack year after year to fill it. lol

Now do a search of drying water supplies across the World and WHY climate scientists overwhelmingly that is a current trend in areas that havent had these problem for centuries.

Wait never mind, dont bother. That will just make you go full Candace Owens on the issue.

 

[lifelessheap]

50 degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius ?

Gastelum.

 

[rikibobby]

The continuation of fossil fuels is great for the environment?

No, it's great for mankind. Especially those of us who live with real winters.

 

[Blunderbuss]

Where you at?

If I tell you where, will you come over and wrap Christmas gifts for me?

 

[Barteh]

The drying up of rivers isnt a "local" problem, genius. This is effecting the entire West Coast of the US, while the East Coast has experienced the opposite, severe flooding and increasingly worse hurricane seasons. Lake Mead is symptomatic of the global problem, its happening BECAUSE of it. The lake isnt even filled locally, and you're such a blithering idiot, you're spouting partisan stupidity without even knowing that. The lake is drying up because the Colorado Rockies arent getting enough of a snow pack year after year to fill it. lol

Now do a search of drying water supplies across the World and WHY climate scientists overwhelmingly that is a current trend in areas that havent had these problem for centuries.

Wait never mind, dont bother. That will just make you go full Candace Owens on the issue.

Better start using paper straws instead of plastic straws to make sure it doesn't get any worse.

The funny thing is you're basically digging the grave for your own argument with this post. They haven't had those problems in centuries, so a couple of centuries ago they did have those problems, and a couple of millennia ago they had other problems. I guess the natives were smoking too much tobacco and the bisons were shitting too much back in the day.

 

[Two Crows]

No capitalism is. Without capitalism the earth would be fine with double the people.

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I'm curious, you believe state control of markets would fix what with respect to climate?

Historically, states have struggled to even provide adequate nutritional supply. Why do you believe it will be different this time around?

 

[rikibobby]

Well it needs to be taxed more, it's the only way to save the planet. I don't even care about the millions of illegals dumping trash as they travel.

Gas/fuel tax and carbon tax are 2 different things. The gas tax raises $ for governments to provide road maintenance. It's a logical user-pay system. Carbon tax is wealth redistribution.

 

[ferrisjso]

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I'm curious, you believe state control of markets would fix what with respect to climate?

Historically, states have struggled to even provide adequate nutritional supply. Why do you believe it will be different this time around?

We need to stop burning carbon completley and if we did that today we would still have 40 years of damage locked in. At this point the hard truth is nothing we can do will FIX anything all we can do is control how horrible our apocalyptic future gets. Scientists say that is still worth fighting for but it needs to be understood we're well beyond the point of no return.

Historically we've only been industrialized 200 years and socialism as a concept has been around even less time and these sorts of comparisons are invalid. The "but its never worked" people are only repeating a line they've heard not a concept they understand.

 

[Barteh]

We need to stop burning carbon completley and if we did that today we would still have 40 years of damage locked in. At this point the hard truth is nothing we can do will FIX anything all we can do is control how horrible our apocalyptic future gets. Scientists say that is still worth fighting for but it needs to be understood we're well beyond the point of no return.

Historically we've only been industrialized 200 years and socialism as a concept has been around even less time and these sorts of comparisons are invalid. The "but its never worked" people are only repeating a line they've heard not a concept they understand.

There is no apocalyptic future. The earth will be fine and we will be fine as well, it's all just bullshit fearmongering to try and scam you out of your money and rights.

 

[ferrisjso]

There is no apocalyptic future. The earth will be fine and we will be fine as well, it's all just bullshit fearmongering to try and scam you out of your money and rights.

We don't have any money or rights. Thats the main defining trait of this fucking time period.

 

[djacobox372]

Well if man has caused it, then there's obviously something he can do to stop it.

Simplistic thinking. Like saying this kid could "obviously" stop a house fire:

The carbon cycle is not something easily reversed or slowed once kicked into high gear. So far nobody in the mainstream climate change alarmist are proposing ANYTHING that would make a meaningful difference.

If we truly want to master climate we need to invest in research and tech to remove carbon from the atmosphere (carbon scrubbing), but that gets very little $$ and attention.