Ciryl Gane will school Jon Jones

Jones was 2 of 9 for takedowns against Reyes and 0 of 1 against Santos. In those two fights, Jones really did look like his best days were behind him and that was 3 years ago. It sounds weird saying it because Jones was so good at MMA wrestling, but at this point, taking Gane down seems far from guaranteed and I just don't see Jones winning a stand up battle in this one. I've never picked against Jones, but this one at the very least feels like a 50/50 fight considering the layoff and Jones' prior struggles.
 
NEETzschean said:
Jones isn't going to gain as much strength as you think, he's not as naturally big as Gane. He's also never fought at anywhere near 235-245 lbs before, it's an open question how well his body will adjust.
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Part of the problem is that all these people are still heavily influenced by what they saw a roided Jones do at LHW. When fighters fall off, they fall off in brutal fashion, and all the idiots look around at each other in shock. Jones’s best years are well behind him and this fight is going to be a brutal wake up call. The shock on his fans’ faces will be epic.

There is no fucking way he’s surviving five rounds with Gane. No fucking way.
 
NEETzschean said:
Jones:

3 years inactive
Closer to 36 than 35
Been hugely successful, likely not as hungry
Every fighter/coach has been watching him for ages
HW debut, has to bulk up a lot (will his body adjust?)
Career 205 pounder, made a career bullying midgets
DQ'd against Hamill, DQ-worthy offence against Smith
Failed to stop his last three opponents, no finish since 2018
Lots of wear; pro debut in 2008, 15 title fights with 8 decisions
History of problems with the law, including in the last few years
History of problems with alcohol and drugs, including in the last few years

Jones' last two performances have been close decisions (Santos, Reyes) and 6'4 fighters have given him his toughest and most competitive fights (Gustafsson 1, Reyes).

Gane is an active, prime, disciplined, natural heavyweight, 6'4 with an 81 inch reach and is the most skilled striker Jones will ever fight, with experience in a close fight against a much more dangerous opponent in Ngannou.

"But wrestling"

Ngannou was able to take Gane down primarily because of his size and strength advantages and because Gane had to worry first and foremost about Ngannou's power, factors that won't be present at all against Jones. Gane will have also improved his wrestling in the 14 month gap. Jones scored just 2 TD's in 10 attempts with 101 seconds of control in 50 minutes against former welterweight Santos and Reyes, men who are much easier to grapple against than Gane.
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Santos and reyes are former welterweights?
 
mommas homeboy said:
Gane is going to demolish him in brutal fashion. I’m stunned at how delusional people are about Jones in 2023. It’s going to absolutely hilarious to see.
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^This. It's utterly baffling how stuck in the past a lot of this board is. Jones hasn't looked good in at least half a decade and that's when he popped. Because a physical freak like Francis took him down all of a sudden Jon is going to turn into Prime GSP against Gane despite not looking dominant wrestling in ages. Gane is going to put it on Jon. I'll be laughing my way to the bank.
 
We can debate all day long. But this fight, more than most others, is nearly impossible to be certain about. But, it’s an MMA Internet forum. So the “make it look easy” threads will be numerous, regardless.
 
Morning Star said:
^This. It's utterly baffling how stuck in the past a lot of this board is. Jones hasn't looked good in at least half a decade and that's when he popped. Because a physical freak like Francis took him down all of a sudden Jon is going to turn into Prime GSP against Gane despite not looking dominant wrestling in ages. Gane is going to put it on Jon. I'll be laughing my way to the bank.
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Gane is bigger, stronger, tougher, more dangerous, and hungrier. I’m LOVING how hyped everyone is to see Jones win. It will make his loss that much sweeter.
 
mommas homeboy said:
Gane is bigger, stronger, tougher, more dangerous, and hungrier. I’m LOVING how hyped everyone is to see Jones win. It will make his loss that much sweeter.
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I bet anyone that Gane will massacre Jones but no one took the bet!
 
Even if Jones took Gane down, he would lose his chicken ankle right away
 
NEETzschean said:
Jones isn't going to gain as much strength as you think, he's not as naturally big as Gane. He's also never fought at anywhere near 235-245 lbs before, it's an open question how well his body will adjust.
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But it’s not an open question as to who the better grapplers are.
 
Man the jones hate is stronger than ever I hope for some of you that jon looses for your mental health.
 
No one knows what Jones will look like.

Jones wouldn't take this fight if he didn't feel very very confident that he'd win..
 
I don't buy the "Jon needs to bulk up" claim.

206 is technically a heavyweight.

Surely, he weighed more than that during all of his professional fights come fight night.
 
Jongonna do so bad vs the larger longer man who got more power. Jon only can grapple better.

Gane by tko. Jon will cry.
 
Fluffernutter said:
I don't buy the "Jon needs to bulk up" claim.

206 is technically a heavyweight.

Surely, he weighed more than that during all of his professional fights come fight night.
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Apparently he's 222.5 lbs in the cage. Jones certainly buys the claim he needs to bulk up because he's been bulking up. When cruiserweight boxers move up to heavyweight they typically put on some mass and MMA is even more weight based than boxing due to the greater wrestling element. Jones will need to come in heavier, he doesn't want to give up 25 lbs against Gane. But at the same time, how will his body adjust to an extra 10-25 lbs? It's an open question.
 
wildchild88 said:
No one knows what Jones will look like.

Jones wouldn't take this fight if he didn't feel very very confident that he'd win..
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"Jones wouldn't take this fight if he didn't feel very very confident that he'd win.."

This is the best argument in favour of Jones. I believe he's overestimating his ability, underestimating Gane or both. The alternative is he's heavily coming for a cheque.
 
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I don't like Jones and he is not GOAT due to multiple drug test failures. But Gane seems an easy matchup for Jones.
 
mmadeewana said:
I don't like Jones and he is not GOAT due to multiple drug test failures. But Gane seems an easy matchup for Jones.
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Why was greenhorn LHW Reyes a life and death matchup + controversial decision for Jones when he was active 3 years ago but HW Gane an easy matchup for inactive Jones?
 
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